Film Room Fridays: Patrick Ramsey Highlights
I love using video clips, so I will try to incorporate something regularly on Fridays. If you happen to find anything good, let me know at thejetsblog@gmail.com, as I will be glad to share.
I thought some footage of Patrick Ramsey would be worth watching (with Foo Fighters overlaid audio). Certainly it isn't a full sample, but from getting a little better a look at him, it seems that he likes to slide around in the pocket, plays well on rollouts and has some snap on those passes. All that with NFL seasoning for a sixth round pick? I'll take it.
13 Responses to Film Room Fridays: Patrick Ramsey Highlights
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Bent says:
Well, he looks good on those clips, but you don't get to see his weaknesses from that (Yeselson?…)
I'm sure you could put together a tape of completions that Pennington had made over the years with a lot of zip on them that would make anyone who hadn't seen him play a lot think that Pennington has a perfectly adequate arm (which, of course, he does – when healthy). -
Just for clarification, I didn't make this video. I just found it on youtube.com.
I agree with Bent, certainly this isn't a full representation of what Ramsey can do, but I would say it shows a spark of what he can do at the NFL level. -
As someone who's lived in the DC-Balto area thoughout Ramsey's pro career (and has therefore seen way more of Daniel Snyder's mug on TV than anyone should have to), I think this clip's a pretty good illustration of what Ramsey can do when he has time in the pocket. He's got a ton of zip on his short and intermediate passes, and he throws a nice deep ball, esp. inside the hashes. His main problems in DC were:
- His accuracy was maddeningly inconsistent, from game to game and sometimes even from one series to another.
- His footwork can get really goofy when he's under pressure, and that's when he makes the big mistake.
- He tends to hold onto the ball a bit too long, esp. against zone coverages.
Obviously, these three points are inter-related – opponents learned to mix up their coverage schemes and pressure him from different angles. What could really help him in NY is that Mangini has made the O-line a point of early emphasis, and if Patrick has time, he can be very effective. He also needs to refine his footwork.
But what I love about this pick-up is that he still has a lot of (wait for it) upside – he's young, has a lot of NFL starter experience, and has a great arm. Plus, by most accounts, he's a high-character guy – he's tough, a good leader, and handled his demotion last year with as much class as you could expect. And oh yeah, he came cheap. -
You can definately see the arm strength in the clips. Of course he appears accurate, because all the passes are completed (it would be funny to watch 4 minutes of incomplete pass clips. Actually, wouldn't that be every passing attempt in the @BUF game ?)
He seems to move in the pocket and rolls out about as well as Penny. Not sure he hides the ball and sells the play action quite as well, which when CMart was running well gave Penny plenty of time to compensate for his below average speed on a roll-out.
Curious what people think about his actual footwork. Seems to have “happy-feet”, clearly using his rapid foot movement as a kind of timing mechanism to prevent him from throwing off the wrong foot. This is good, because he seems to plants properly on a throw, but bad for two reasons I can think of: makes him easier to bring down but more importantly does jive well in a west coast attack. I'm not sure we're going to be playing a west coast, but its worth noting.
All in all, I think it was a no-brainer move and I'm glad to have a guy that could have started 16 games season. -
Ramseys biggest hit is his inconsistancy. Maybe the guy could get a fresh start over here. Maybe we can have the same QB start AND end the SAME season too. Is that asking too much?
As far as pressure goes, I have one name for you…Manning. Thats how you bring down Peyton. Keep pressure on him all game long. It doesn't matter who you are, if you pressure the QB consistantly, you get mistakes.
I hope Mangini keeps the rebuilding going on the O-line and give who ever starts a chance to get comfortable and get in rhythm. At the very least though, we have a QB that can take a hit or two…or three…oh you get the idea.
That 80 guys looks pretty good. Catching alot of balls. Couldn't read the name though. Would be nice to have Ramsey throwing to him on our team… -
At first, when I heard we were looking into Ramsey, I was ambivalent. But when it sounded like we were serious, I started doing my own *research* into him.
I think it was a great pick-up… very little downside for us.
From most that I read, Ramsey was just thrown into it, with very little coaching… and basically jerked around a lot.
With proper coaching, he could turn out to be our best pick-up since Martin & Mawae. He's smart, a good leader, and has the major arm. With help with his footwork, and just some old-fashioned *love* from the coaching staff…
he certainly has the motivation, youth, and experience… he could turn out rather nice for us.
Of course, it's all conjecture… but I think he's starting the season for us… with the added benefit of sending a huge message to the team, that a new sheriff is in town, and only those that play the best, will play (sorry, Chad… you need more time to heal). -
On a semi-related note…
During the recent rookie camp, I heard Berger and others reference a Jets passing camp scheduled for 'the end of May'. This camp was to be Pennington's coming out party, the first test for his twice-operated arm.
In his blog, Berger lamented how the Jets had no plans to invite he and the other beat writers, fearing they would scrutinize Pennington's every throw, put pressure on him to perform and speculate on his progress.
Any word as to whether this camp has/will happen? I've seen/heard nothing. I believe a full-squad camp is scheduled for mid-June, though.
Just looking for some news. Hopefully, the June free-agency period will spice things up. -
I was all ready to draft Leinart and throw Chad under a bus. But, now that it looks like our choice is Chad or Ramsey (I think we all believe Clemens needs to sit and learn this season), Chad is the far superior QB. Chad's only problem is health. He has no mechanical problems and the perception of his lack of arm-strength is belied by the reality. Look at the stats for Ramsey as opposed to Chad. Ramsey's rookie year was his best year in terms of pass completions over 40 yards, when he had 5. In his next 3 seasons, he had 7 total (Chad from 2002-2004 had 15). This tells me that the NFL knows how to defense Ramsey. Also, even with that strong arm, his career Y/PA is 6.56; Chad's is 7.34 (which was skewed by his dismal 2005 numbers when his shoulder obviously wasn't right). Also, two pretty fair coaches have demoted Ramsey. So, while I think he was worth a flyer for a 6th round pick, I'm rooting for Chad to overcome his shoulder problems and start.
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I am a die-hard redskins fan and I hope you guys give Ramsey a shot. He is incredibly smart and high character. He has a cannon for an arm. Keep in mind when you look over his stats, that he was thrown to the wolves his first year, made the most of it, but then “got coached up” by the jackass Spurrier. Spurrier never thought much about protecting the QB, so Ramsey's stats (and body) took a real pummelling while the “ol' ball coach” tried to figure out the NFL. Give him some protection and a running game, and you will all fall in love with Ramsey (and for a 6th… you got a steal!). I just pray that Campbell ends up being the real deal for us, or else I will lament the day the Skins let PR go for a long time!
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The brother from the DC area has it right. Ramsey's problem seems to be that he doesn't see the field well, and thus doesn't make quick reads to his secondary receivers–that when he'll hold the ball and take the hit–this happens frequently because he's remarkably immobil, one of the most immobil qb's in the league–maybe a half notch above Vinnie at the bitter end (honest).
But the arm is terrific–it's a cannon–the guy was a javelin champ, too, which tells you something about his arm strength–although the touch isn't great on the short routes. If he had all the time in the world, he'd complete a lot of passes–but, of course, in the NFL he doesn't, and he can't buy times with his frozen legs.
Tough guy, though–takes the hits, doesn't bitch about his line, teammates like and respect him. But the guys who don't move well really have to have a quick release, have that slow motion view of the field that enables them to pick our receivers–Ramsey doesn't, and that's his fatal flaw. -
My only memory of Ramsey (well, only other one besides seeing him get benched last year) was that God-awful Thursday-night game that opened the '03 season agains us. He sucked throughout and then busts a 40 yard run against us in the 4th quarter. Unreal. I hope he pans out; but then there was a lot of similar optimism when we signed Rick Mirer into a similar situation a few years back. I'm skeptical. He'll be alright as a backup. But I'm praying Chad stays healthy long enough for Clemens to sit and watch for awile.
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Mathew says:
Patrick was never given enough change. Spurrier pushed him quite hard and like someone else mentioned the redskins could not protect him and thats why he got injured often. Sure sometimes it was his fault but who does not err. One of the reason Pete Manning is so good is that his team protects him. Of course Pete is quite special anyway…i love watching him play. But Ramsey was treated badly by Spurrier (not sure if he knows that) and definitly by Gibbs who in his infinite wisdom decided to bench him in the first game of the season. Well in the end Ramsey is still a backup quaterback and Brunell is now warming the same bench that Ramsey was (and is in body and spirit in ny)
Well done. For all those who said he wasn't a mobile quarterback, looking at this clip proves otherwise. If he's healthy he's got a nice quick release and arm strength we haven't seen in years on this team. Nice to re-unite him with LC too.