Comments on: Links: Deebo! http://www.thejetsblog.com/2007/03/29/links-deebo/ Ranting and Raving about the Gang Green Sun, 12 Feb 2012 05:30:32 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: RK http://www.thejetsblog.com/2007/03/29/links-deebo/#comment-14186 RK Wed, 04 Apr 2007 01:15:13 +0000 http://thejetsblog.com/?p=1966#comment-14186 Bent I'm surprised that NY didn't take a stab at Colston last year but that just proves you can get some receiver even in the 7th round. The Jets will probably move McCareins . Don't forget Brad Smith is on the bench and we have a 3rd string QB now. There may even be a good WR at a later pick. Good point about drafting all the same positions so close together Jeff. I have a feeling that in the long run that won't matter. Just because they took 2 OL high last year doesn't mean they can't or shouldn't do it one more time. They aren't the only picks that are already contributing. No matter who they sign will in be in contract situations a few years from now but the idea is to pay (keep) the people that matter. I disagree that saying the CB at 25th spot will be comparable to J. miller is a viable way to evaluate a player. Year by year the draft is sweeter at different positions. Ultimately I just feel that D is more important this year and red zone, or scoring, was not their worst problem, defense was. In 2006 Jets O was 4th in 3rd down conversion, 9th in time of possession, and in my estimation will have more yards and/or TD this year because they will have a running back - improving their passing game automatically. I'm guessing Aaron Ross if he's there but I don't think he will be; partially because he's also a kick returner (Mangini must like that Biggest reason though for D, and mainly a good CB or LB, is turnovers. Jets broke even in the TO +/- in 2006 and had very few takeaways with 25; 9th worst. Always the worst part for me is waiting for what the other teams do because ultimately that determines who you get. Bent I’m surprised that NY didn’t take a stab at Colston last year but that just proves you can get some receiver even in the 7th round.

The Jets will probably move McCareins . Don’t forget Brad Smith is on the bench and we have a 3rd string QB now. There may even be a good WR at a later pick.

Good point about drafting all the same positions so close together Jeff. I have a feeling that in the long run that won’t matter. Just because they took 2 OL high last year doesn’t mean they can’t or shouldn’t do it one more time. They aren’t the only picks that are already contributing. No matter who they sign will in be in contract situations a few years from now but the idea is to pay (keep) the people that matter. I disagree that saying the CB at 25th spot will be comparable to J. miller is a viable way to evaluate a player. Year by year the draft is sweeter at different positions.

Ultimately I just feel that D is more important this year and red zone, or scoring, was not their worst problem, defense was. In 2006 Jets O was 4th in 3rd down conversion, 9th in time of possession, and in my estimation will have more yards and/or TD this year because they will have a running back – improving their passing game automatically.

I’m guessing Aaron Ross if he’s there but I don’t think he will be; partially because he’s also a kick returner (Mangini must like that Biggest reason though for D, and mainly a good CB or LB, is turnovers. Jets broke even in the TO +/- in 2006 and had very few takeaways with 25; 9th worst.

Always the worst part for me is waiting for what the other teams do because ultimately that determines who you get.

]]> By: will http://www.thejetsblog.com/2007/03/29/links-deebo/#comment-13774 will Fri, 30 Mar 2007 15:29:53 +0000 http://thejetsblog.com/?p=1966#comment-13774 wayne - absolutely. but its a long way to the draft so we need something to talk about :) Nothing would surprise me. I can see them taking an O-lineman with two of the first four picks. I will be disappointed if they dont take at least one on the first day. I agree, O-line is the team's most glaring weakness but I would rather they got a guard who can at least step in and rotate with Kendall and Moore. I dont think Moses will be there at #59 and in any event i dont think the Jets would draft him. wayne – absolutely. but its a long way to the draft so we need something to talk about :)

Nothing would surprise me. I can see them taking an O-lineman with two of the first four picks. I will be disappointed if they dont take at least one on the first day. I agree, O-line is the team’s most glaring weakness but I would rather they got a guard who can at least step in and rotate with Kendall and Moore.

I dont think Moses will be there at #59 and in any event i dont think the Jets would draft him.

]]> By: wayne http://www.thejetsblog.com/2007/03/29/links-deebo/#comment-13747 wayne Fri, 30 Mar 2007 12:41:47 +0000 http://thejetsblog.com/?p=1966#comment-13747 Will, We all see things differently, but essentially feel the same. I think you can get a pro bowl quality offensive lineman at pick 25, then take a Quentin Moses type in the second round. They are pretty deep at LB now, they remain incredibly thin of offensive tackle (most of back ups project as guards). Nonetheless I now trust Tangini to have a plan and execute it. They know which back ups they are most confident in and which starters they are happy with, all of our opinions are well intentioned but uninformed as compared to the data they have. I finally trust management to make the correct long term decision, first time I can say that as a Jets fan. Will,

We all see things differently, but essentially feel the same. I think you can get a pro bowl quality offensive lineman at pick 25, then take a Quentin Moses type in the second round.

They are pretty deep at LB now, they remain incredibly thin of offensive tackle (most of back ups project as guards).

Nonetheless I now trust Tangini to have a plan and execute it. They know which back ups they are most confident in and which starters they are happy with, all of our opinions are well intentioned but uninformed as compared to the data they have.

I finally trust management to make the correct long term decision, first time I can say that as a Jets fan.

]]> By: will http://www.thejetsblog.com/2007/03/29/links-deebo/#comment-13723 will Fri, 30 Mar 2007 04:02:09 +0000 http://thejetsblog.com/?p=1966#comment-13723 I agree with you, Jeff, re Jarvis Moss (or Spencer). I think OLB should still be the Jets number one priority in the first round. The guys they have added (Bowens and Wadsworth) are insurance in case the right guy doesnt fall to #25. Adding a good OLB prospect will help the pass rush and will add flexibility and depth to the entire LB unit. Hobson can toggle between ILB and OLB or replace Barton inside if the Jets decide to cut or trade him. CB is a need, too, but is too risky. And there are plenty of good OL prospects (Manny Ramirez projects all over the board depending on which Mock you look at) for the Jets to take one at #25. I agree with you, Jeff, re Jarvis Moss (or Spencer). I think OLB should still be the Jets number one priority in the first round. The guys they have added (Bowens and Wadsworth) are insurance in case the right guy doesnt fall to #25. Adding a good OLB prospect will help the pass rush and will add flexibility and depth to the entire LB unit. Hobson can toggle between ILB and OLB or replace Barton inside if the Jets decide to cut or trade him.

CB is a need, too, but is too risky. And there are plenty of good OL prospects (Manny Ramirez projects all over the board depending on which Mock you look at) for the Jets to take one at #25.

]]> By: RJ http://www.thejetsblog.com/2007/03/29/links-deebo/#comment-13717 RJ Fri, 30 Mar 2007 01:44:56 +0000 http://thejetsblog.com/?p=1966#comment-13717 Fortunately, there is no panic on the part of Tangini. They will take the player in the draft with the greatest value that falls to 25. After winning in a year with a lot of change in management, coaching, schemes, and players and retaining all the key components for another run I'm sure they're confident they will see a lot of improvement going into next season, even without making any blockbuster offseason moves. Don't be surprised if the team out-perfoms last years 10-6 record with basically the same talent, albeit improved talent. Fortunately, there is no panic on the part of Tangini. They will take the player in the draft with the greatest value that falls to 25. After winning in a year with a lot of change in management, coaching, schemes, and players and retaining all the key components for another run I’m sure they’re confident they will see a lot of improvement going into next season, even without making any blockbuster offseason moves. Don’t be surprised if the team out-perfoms last years 10-6 record with basically the same talent, albeit improved talent.

]]> By: Ilan http://www.thejetsblog.com/2007/03/29/links-deebo/#comment-13708 Ilan Thu, 29 Mar 2007 22:45:37 +0000 http://thejetsblog.com/?p=1966#comment-13708 If we have or OLB in Bowens, then I am convinced that Hobson moves inside. He's a better option anyways than an undersized rookie to pair with Vilma. I don't think the Jets go ILB until late in the first day or second day. If we have or OLB in Bowens, then I am convinced that Hobson moves inside. He’s a better option anyways than an undersized rookie to pair with Vilma. I don’t think the Jets go ILB until late in the first day or second day.

]]> By: SackDance99 http://www.thejetsblog.com/2007/03/29/links-deebo/#comment-13705 SackDance99 Thu, 29 Mar 2007 22:33:15 +0000 http://thejetsblog.com/?p=1966#comment-13705 With Bowens, I'd think that it's unlikely that the Jets will draft a hybrid LB/DE like Moss...where would he play? I think the Jets weakness is at RILB, where the Jets don't have the type of versatile LB that can play the run and the pass. Unfortunately, this is an awful draft for ILBs, which is why Patrick Willis has shot up most draft boards. Posluszny could play inside and maybe he could be the answer, I'm just lukewarm about his NFL prospects, but he is the type of "high character" guy that Tangini like. With Bowens, I’d think that it’s unlikely that the Jets will draft a hybrid LB/DE like Moss…where would he play? I think the Jets weakness is at RILB, where the Jets don’t have the type of versatile LB that can play the run and the pass. Unfortunately, this is an awful draft for ILBs, which is why Patrick Willis has shot up most draft boards. Posluszny could play inside and maybe he could be the answer, I’m just lukewarm about his NFL prospects, but he is the type of “high character” guy that Tangini like.

]]> By: Jeff http://www.thejetsblog.com/2007/03/29/links-deebo/#comment-13696 Jeff Thu, 29 Mar 2007 20:45:20 +0000 http://thejetsblog.com/?p=1966#comment-13696 We don't need a wide receiver at #25, also picking a CB that late is just like picking J-Miller all over again. I think drafting O-line or LB is the right way to go, also if the versatile beast jarvis Moss is there we should definetely take him. If Jarrett were there he would be a nice asset in the redzone. He is not a me-first type of guy. If you knew him you would agree with me ;). He is a bit like Rice in that he didn't run fast-40 times. But he has great game speed. Also remember that Coles isn't getting any younger he is almost or is 30. Plus since he is slow he won't out-run Chad's lob passes, which is a good thing. Remember it is tough having all your money on just a few positions. If all our 1st rounders are O-linemen then what happens when their contracts are up? Lets see if we can get Pozluszny or Moss even Grubbs or Blalock! We don’t need a wide receiver at #25, also picking a CB that late is just like picking J-Miller all over again. I think drafting O-line or LB is the right way to go, also if the versatile beast jarvis Moss is there we should definetely take him. If Jarrett were there he would be a nice asset in the redzone. He is not a me-first type of guy. If you knew him you would agree with me ;). He is a bit like Rice in that he didn’t run fast-40 times. But he has great game speed. Also remember that Coles isn’t getting any younger he is almost or is 30. Plus since he is slow he won’t out-run Chad’s lob passes, which is a good thing. Remember it is tough having all your money on just a few positions. If all our 1st rounders are O-linemen then what happens when their contracts are up? Lets see if we can get Pozluszny or Moss even Grubbs or Blalock!

]]> By: Bent http://www.thejetsblog.com/2007/03/29/links-deebo/#comment-13694 Bent Thu, 29 Mar 2007 20:29:18 +0000 http://thejetsblog.com/?p=1966#comment-13694 Hey, don't shoot the messenger, I was just repeating what the scouts are saying ;o) (Note: some of them are saying it about Calvin Johnson too) Rice is more of a project anyway IMO, but he sure can run with the ball and I think he should be able to add weight with no trouble. FWIW I've been saying we needed a WR with decent size since Keyshawn left. I even advocated taking a late round flyer on Colston last year! If you're prepared to wait, there are a couple of decent big guys that will come out next year too. Hey, don’t shoot the messenger, I was just repeating what the scouts are saying ;o) (Note: some of them are saying it about Calvin Johnson too)

Rice is more of a project anyway IMO, but he sure can run with the ball and I think he should be able to add weight with no trouble.

FWIW I’ve been saying we needed a WR with decent size since Keyshawn left. I even advocated taking a late round flyer on Colston last year!

If you’re prepared to wait, there are a couple of decent big guys that will come out next year too.

]]> By: SackDance99 http://www.thejetsblog.com/2007/03/29/links-deebo/#comment-13693 SackDance99 Thu, 29 Mar 2007 20:14:10 +0000 http://thejetsblog.com/?p=1966#comment-13693 I've been meaning to make this point, but forgot. I've been saying that the Jets need a better redzone threat because the Jets were dismal in redzone TD pct. last season. The Jets were 20th, with a 45.8% - TD%. I expect that Thomas Jones would improve things, but a 6'6" TE (like Olsen) or a 6'4" WR (like Jarrett) combined with the running threat would really help, immediately. So, when I see the Jets' "needs" redzone help is one of them. Rice could be a good weapon, too; but, he's a bit thin and needs to bulk up (nearly 6'4", but only 195 lbs.). Bent, if you thought a bulkier Jarrett would have problems in press coverage, Rice would have real problems hand-fighting at the line and he's no help in the running game, while Jarrett is an excellent run-blocker. I’ve been meaning to make this point, but forgot. I’ve been saying that the Jets need a better redzone threat because the Jets were dismal in redzone TD pct. last season. The Jets were 20th, with a 45.8% – TD%. I expect that Thomas Jones would improve things, but a 6’6″ TE (like Olsen) or a 6’4″ WR (like Jarrett) combined with the running threat would really help, immediately. So, when I see the Jets’ “needs” redzone help is one of them. Rice could be a good weapon, too; but, he’s a bit thin and needs to bulk up (nearly 6’4″, but only 195 lbs.). Bent, if you thought a bulkier Jarrett would have problems in press coverage, Rice would have real problems hand-fighting at the line and he’s no help in the running game, while Jarrett is an excellent run-blocker.

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