Comments on: Audible: So What Do You Think? http://www.thejetsblog.com/2007/04/30/audible-so-what-do-you-think/ Ranting and Raving about the Gang Green Sun, 12 Feb 2012 13:32:08 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: wayne http://www.thejetsblog.com/2007/04/30/audible-so-what-do-you-think/#comment-16813 wayne Tue, 01 May 2007 14:12:47 +0000 http://thejetsblog.com/?p=2090#comment-16813 RB Banks of JMU was also in the data base at 3.30, seems like a threat to Cedric, similar style. RB Banks of JMU was also in the data base at 3.30, seems like a threat to Cedric, similar style.

]]> By: wayne http://www.thejetsblog.com/2007/04/30/audible-so-what-do-you-think/#comment-16807 wayne Tue, 01 May 2007 14:04:23 +0000 http://thejetsblog.com/?p=2090#comment-16807 You can not count T Jones, he is 30 years old and was signed to free agent money, not second round money. They would have traded the pick in any case and moved up for the same player. Be satisfied to count him as a terrific free agent signing, but the draft is the draft. Welker is not part of the Pats draft either. I like Stuckey, he can be Tim Dwight, who may not be back. Similar attributes. The OT has great upside, but can not contribute this year so still concerned with depth on O Line and yes, TE. I did not want to draft Olsen, but did want to bring in someone. The TE drafted last year is a blocker. Unless Tutt is being converted no idea what happens if Baker goes down. The UDA class so far is underwhelming, high on intangibles, low on talent. There were 16 players with a grade of 3.40 or higher on the SI data base that went undrafted, Jets signed zero. In fact, only three of their signing were even in the data base. SS - Peters (HI) 3.29, ILB- Zalewski (WI) 3.10, and DT -Devito (ME) 3.04. All have excellent intangibles, are very good tacklers, but lack speed. Sound familiar? There will always be the veteran releases by other teams. I hope they find a way to use the 6 million in cap room, this does not carry over and is a waste to leave on the table. Also hope they get Mangini locked up, and soon. You can not count T Jones, he is 30 years old and was signed to free agent money, not second round money. They would have traded the pick in any case and moved up for the same player.

Be satisfied to count him as a terrific free agent signing, but the draft is the draft. Welker is not part of the Pats draft either.

I like Stuckey, he can be Tim Dwight, who may not be back. Similar attributes.

The OT has great upside, but can not contribute this year so still concerned with depth on O Line and yes, TE. I did not want to draft Olsen, but did want to bring in someone. The TE drafted last year is a blocker. Unless Tutt is being converted no idea what happens if Baker goes down.

The UDA class so far is underwhelming, high on intangibles, low on talent. There were 16 players with a grade of 3.40 or higher on the SI data base that went undrafted, Jets signed zero.

In fact, only three of their signing were even in the data base. SS – Peters (HI) 3.29, ILB- Zalewski (WI) 3.10, and DT -Devito (ME) 3.04. All have excellent intangibles, are very good tacklers, but lack speed. Sound familiar?

There will always be the veteran releases by other teams.

I hope they find a way to use the 6 million in cap room, this does not carry over and is a waste to leave on the table.

Also hope they get Mangini locked up, and soon.

]]> By: RK http://www.thejetsblog.com/2007/04/30/audible-so-what-do-you-think/#comment-16779 RK Tue, 01 May 2007 06:41:46 +0000 http://thejetsblog.com/?p=2090#comment-16779 I don't think you can compare last year's draft to this one in that the Jets' options were limited because of lack of picks and position. Based on the contributing players acquired though the `06 draft it seems to be a success so far. I think this draft too will prove successful even if there are fewer players contributing because that is only a result of the lack of picks. Why draft players that don't contribute? A team is much better off getting players that have the greatest potential to do what you expect and want. The only risk is not getting some diamond in the rough but if you are not looking in the rough you are more likely to get the diamond. The way I see it, the Jets were slated to take one player in the top 60 and they wound up with 2 players in the top 50. It doesn't hurt them next year unless they get to the playoffs and win as a result of the new additions - the desired result anyway. And yes the Jets are in great shape fiscally which gives them flexibility in how they build from within or without. I think adding only two quality players is important because there are already 21 of 22 starters as mentioned. I don't foresee any impending contract problems from overachieving players who demand, or deserve more money; hoping there will be such a reason to have money problems. I'm all for how this draft turned out. I don't believe in buying things just because they're on sale but will never get used. You just start to run out of space for those things anyway. My grade is a B but would be higher if there was a TE that could contribute too. I don’t think you can compare last year’s draft to this one in that the Jets’ options were limited because of lack of picks and position. Based on the contributing players acquired though the `06 draft it seems to be a success so far. I think this draft too will prove successful even if there are fewer players contributing because that is only a result of the lack of picks.

Why draft players that don’t contribute? A team is much better off getting players that have the greatest potential to do what you expect and want. The only risk is not getting some diamond in the rough but if you are not looking in the rough you are more likely to get the diamond. The way I see it, the Jets were slated to take one player in the top 60 and they wound up with 2 players in the top 50. It doesn’t hurt them next year unless they get to the playoffs and win as a result of the new additions – the desired result anyway.

And yes the Jets are in great shape fiscally which gives them flexibility in how they build from within or without. I think adding only two quality players is important because there are already 21 of 22 starters as mentioned. I don’t foresee any impending contract problems from overachieving players who demand, or deserve more money; hoping there will be such a reason to have money problems.

I’m all for how this draft turned out. I don’t believe in buying things just because they’re on sale but will never get used. You just start to run out of space for those things anyway.

My grade is a B but would be higher if there was a TE that could contribute too.

]]> By: KnickerBlogger http://www.thejetsblog.com/2007/04/30/audible-so-what-do-you-think/#comment-16771 KnickerBlogger Tue, 01 May 2007 03:18:08 +0000 http://thejetsblog.com/?p=2090#comment-16771 Some notables taken recently by the Jets in rounds 3+: 2006 4th, Brad Smith 4th, Leon Washington 2005 4th, Kerry Rhodes 6th, Cedric Houston 2004 4th, Jerricho Cotchery 5th, Erik Coleman 2003 3rd, BJ Askew 6th, Brooks Bollinger Some notables taken recently by the Jets in rounds 3+:

2006
4th, Brad Smith
4th, Leon Washington

2005
4th, Kerry Rhodes
6th, Cedric Houston

2004
4th, Jerricho Cotchery
5th, Erik Coleman

2003
3rd, BJ Askew
6th, Brooks Bollinger

]]> By: sjfalcon2001 http://www.thejetsblog.com/2007/04/30/audible-so-what-do-you-think/#comment-16765 sjfalcon2001 Tue, 01 May 2007 02:22:51 +0000 http://thejetsblog.com/?p=2090#comment-16765 I'm in the camp of not being too sure about this draft. I included the Jones trade in my thinking since we included the Jolley trade under Bradway and Edwards previous to this. I like Revis and Harris as well as Jones, but I think we still need to fill more holes than that. We might have given up too much. Trading up for Revis was an aggressive and smart move (and one I agree with), but I'm not so sure about trading up for Harris. I think we might have given up too much to get him. Maybe we can make up for it with UDFA signings and June 2nd cuts, but I think we could have gotten a similar player with one of the picks we had before the trade. Don't get me wrong, I think Harris will fit, I'm just not sure we should have pulled both trades. Stuckey seems a bit short too, but that's not necessarily a huge problem if his technique is good. It's too early to tell anyway. Chrebet worked out for us, maybe taking a chance on one of these UDFAs will be just what the doctor ordered. We'll see in 3-4 years. At this point if I were grading, I would optimistically say B-. I’m in the camp of not being too sure about this draft.

I included the Jones trade in my thinking since we included the Jolley trade under Bradway and Edwards previous to this. I like Revis and Harris as well as Jones, but I think we still need to fill more holes than that. We might have given up too much. Trading up for Revis was an aggressive and smart move (and one I agree with), but I’m not so sure about trading up for Harris. I think we might have given up too much to get him. Maybe we can make up for it with UDFA signings and June 2nd cuts, but I think we could have gotten a similar player with one of the picks we had before the trade. Don’t get me wrong, I think Harris will fit, I’m just not sure we should have pulled both trades. Stuckey seems a bit short too, but that’s not necessarily a huge problem if his technique is good.

It’s too early to tell anyway. Chrebet worked out for us, maybe taking a chance on one of these UDFAs will be just what the doctor ordered. We’ll see in 3-4 years. At this point if I were grading, I would optimistically say B-.

]]> By: TOON2388 http://www.thejetsblog.com/2007/04/30/audible-so-what-do-you-think/#comment-16759 TOON2388 Tue, 01 May 2007 00:38:32 +0000 http://thejetsblog.com/?p=2090#comment-16759 if we are truly modeling ourselves after NE, win the Super Bowl 3 of the next 4 years, and then trade a 4th round draft pick for Chad Johnson before the 2012 season [:) if we are truly modeling ourselves after NE, win the Super Bowl 3 of the next 4 years, and then trade a 4th round draft pick for Chad Johnson before the 2012 season [:)

]]> By: dharvey http://www.thejetsblog.com/2007/04/30/audible-so-what-do-you-think/#comment-16757 dharvey Mon, 30 Apr 2007 23:54:34 +0000 http://thejetsblog.com/?p=2090#comment-16757 First, I do count Thomas Jones..we moved down in the second so it involves some aspects of the draft; Second, we didn't lose out on the management approach of 'building through the draft' If Jones, Revis and Harris pan out, that's three starters for between two years (Jones) and five to seven years (Revis & Harris)..so ain't that 'building' by any definition? Third, if our 6th/7th picks develop over the next several years. its pure gravy... Fourth, you gotta remember the budget ceilings..by only bringing on 4 actual picks, it enables Tangini to stay in control with the budget..this year, next year, ..so that we can RETAIN current vets..just think what they did with Cothery..you gotta look at the whole picture..we need some salary room to keep what we already got. Fifith and last, I'll bet there are some UFA's that are gonna do more than make the practice squad..Tangini have done their homework.. there's one or two UFA's who are gonna make the final squad and contribute.. and they are gonna be dirt cheap salary wise to boot.. I wouldn't want to play chess against Tangini.. they are about a dozen moves ahead of all of us! First, I do count Thomas Jones..we moved down in the second so it involves some aspects of the draft;
Second, we didn’t lose out on the management approach of ‘building through the draft’ If Jones, Revis and Harris pan out, that’s three starters for between two years (Jones) and five to seven years (Revis & Harris)..so ain’t that ‘building’ by any definition?
Third, if our 6th/7th picks develop over the next several years. its pure gravy…
Fourth, you gotta remember the budget ceilings..by only bringing on 4 actual picks, it enables Tangini to stay in control with the budget..this year, next year, ..so that we can RETAIN current vets..just think what they did with Cothery..you gotta look at the whole picture..we need some salary room to keep what we already got.

Fifith and last, I’ll bet there are some UFA’s that are gonna do more than make the practice squad..Tangini have done their homework.. there’s one or two UFA’s who are gonna make the final squad and contribute.. and they are gonna be dirt cheap salary wise to boot..
I wouldn’t want to play chess against Tangini.. they are about a dozen moves ahead of all of us!

]]> By: Bent http://www.thejetsblog.com/2007/04/30/audible-so-what-do-you-think/#comment-16755 Bent Mon, 30 Apr 2007 23:05:15 +0000 http://thejetsblog.com/?p=2090#comment-16755 I know that tuco, but I don't expect more than the usual amount of UDFAs to make it as far as camp and certainly would be surprised to see more than 2 or 3 of them make it to the active roster once the season starts. I know that tuco, but I don’t expect more than the usual amount of UDFAs to make it as far as camp and certainly would be surprised to see more than 2 or 3 of them make it to the active roster once the season starts.

]]> By: muff http://www.thejetsblog.com/2007/04/30/audible-so-what-do-you-think/#comment-16744 muff Mon, 30 Apr 2007 20:50:14 +0000 http://thejetsblog.com/?p=2090#comment-16744 i hate bill belicheck i hate bill belicheck

]]> By: KnickerBlogger http://www.thejetsblog.com/2007/04/30/audible-so-what-do-you-think/#comment-16742 KnickerBlogger Mon, 30 Apr 2007 20:29:03 +0000 http://thejetsblog.com/?p=2090#comment-16742 "On the quantity vs quality debate, here’s one thing to keep in mind: In today’s free agency era, you may only have a player for three years. If you’re only replacing 4 players per year of that pipeline, you can run dry pretty quickly." But the draft is a crap shoot as it is. It's very possible that either Revis and/or Harris don't pan out, which would leave the Jets even more thin. For a good example of what happens to a team that doesn't value quantity on draft day, just look at the Washington Redskins. “On the quantity vs quality debate, here’s one thing to keep in mind: In today’s free agency era, you may only have a player for three years. If you’re only replacing 4 players per year of that pipeline, you can run dry pretty quickly.”

But the draft is a crap shoot as it is. It’s very possible that either Revis and/or Harris don’t pan out, which would leave the Jets even more thin. For a good example of what happens to a team that doesn’t value quantity on draft day, just look at the Washington Redskins.

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