Comments on: TJB Chat Hijack: ESPN 5/29

By: wayne

wayne — Fri, 01 Jun 2007 02:59:20 +0000

Article indicates Jenkins has had drinking problems in the past, when combined with being out of shape and huge contract demands, makes it highly unlikely he will be a Jet.

As unlikely as Mangini ever running a base 4-3.

All these reporters at the camp and not one mention of K Coleman or Robertson’s weight(as in, has he bulked up?), two of the most interesting stories.

By: Bent

Bent — Thu, 31 May 2007 22:50:57 +0000

I like 4-3 too, especially with our personnel, but 3-4 is better if you’re building for the long term because pass rushing 4-3 ends are so expensive. I think hybrid schemes are the way to go and agree that someone like a Jenkins might fit well within that, but I’m also excited to see how the guys we have now shake out this offseason.

By: SackDance99

SackDance99 — Thu, 31 May 2007 22:20:53 +0000

Because I fell in love with the “Sack Exchange” Jets of the ’80s, I’m partial to the 4-3 and I wish that Mangini made the 4-3 the Jets’ base defense. But, I believe in Mangini and if he’s convinced the 3-4 is better, that’s fine with me. A front 4 of D-Rob and Jenkins at DT and Ellis and Thomas/Coleman/Bowens at DE/OLB would be a tough front 4 and Vilma would be back at his natural MLB position, but that ain’t happening.

By: Bent

Bent — Thu, 31 May 2007 21:47:08 +0000

My hope was that Jenkins could play DE alongside Robertson, so I am pleased you think this is possible. That being the case, he would be a good option, but I’m still not keen on giving up a high pick. 330 pounders are not necessarily limited to the NT position as guys like Robaire Smith and Alan Branch show, but most people would look at Jenkins as a replacement for Robertson, which is kind of the angle I was considering.

When I say Jenkins is injury prone, I did mean over the course of his career. I knew he played 16 games last year but so did Pennington and I guarantee you many people will still consider him to be injury prone (not that I necessarily agree!)

I stand by the not-as-good-as-he-once-was comment, because last year’s probowl selection was a surprise and it is widely acknowledged that he was more dominant in the past. Remember, Lynch was a probowler last year, so maybe Jenkins got there partly on reputation? I can’t say I saw enough of him to make a judgement (sic) so I’m going on what I’d read.

Next year, there are some pretty decent NT prospects (Okam and Bryant), but by then we’ll have a better idea of whether D-Rob can cut it (I know you share my hope that he can). We may end up more interested in a Chris Long or Tyson Jackson to put alongside him at DE.

By: SackDance99

SackDance99 — Thu, 31 May 2007 21:03:32 +0000

I mean the 2007 Pro Bowl, based on last season’s play. I think he’s a flat out stud with 3-5 years of good football left, but I believe in the Planet Theory, and Jenkins at 6-4, 335 lbs, fits the bill.

By: SackDance99

SackDance99 — Thu, 31 May 2007 20:57:53 +0000

And, he did make last year’s Pro Bowl, after 2 injury-riddled seasons.

By: SackDance99

SackDance99 — Thu, 31 May 2007 20:52:16 +0000

Bent, Jenkins played all 16 games last season and still hasn’t hit his 28th birthday. He and D-Rob could play together in a 4-3 alignment, in a 3-4, Jenkins could play RDE on running downs and short yardage and, in any event, D-Rob and Jenkins could probably use a rest now and then during a game. Having Jenkins and D-Rob would be a nice problem. Bent, you probably know better than I do, but next year’s draft is supposed to be weak, the Jets hopefully will have a late-round pick and, in any event, DT’s with the size and speed of Jenkins usually don’t last too long (but, Jenkins was a 2nd rounder, so you never know). Maybe he’s not worth a 1st rounder, but a 2nd rounder? I at least hope Tannenbaum is making some callsâ€¦maybe the Panthers want McCareins?

By: SackDance99

SackDance99 — Thu, 31 May 2007 20:42:15 +0000

Bassett, obviously, at 380 lbs., Jenkins would be way overweight and that would exacerbate his injuries…he missed most of 2 seasons with knee and shoulder injuries. But, he is rated a 92 in Scouts, Inc. and he’s a 3-time Pro Bowler, which puts him at the top of the NFL for DT. IMO, there would be nobody at DT that the Jets could draft next season that would match Jenkins, if he’s in shape and motivated. Here’s Scouts, Inc.’s take:

Jenkins is huge, very powerful and had been very mobile before suffering a string of injuries. He has a very thick, wide body and he can eat up space with the best of them. He has a massive, very strong lower body and exceptional upper-body strength. He gets off the ball low and with power. He has very powerful hands and is quick to shed. He had outstanding movement skills for his size when healthy. He was equally adept at shooting gaps or tying up multiple blockers. He ran well and wasn’t confined to a phone booth. He could close on the ball with burst and was an explosive tackler. His lateral quickness and change-of-direction ability were well above-average for the position. He has a variety of pass-rush moves, including a quick swim and a powerful rip. He can knock back almost any interior offensive lineman with his bull rush. But Jenkins’ durability is an enormous concern. He missed most of the last two seasons because of serious knee and shoulder injuries. He might be more prone to stamina issues and carrying extra weight after the injuries. He occasionally took a play off and would get upright, even when healthy.

By: Bent

Bent — Thu, 31 May 2007 20:34:07 +0000

Jenkins is injury prone, out of shape and not the player he once was. I’d rather not give up a high pick for him but if we can get some sort of return on one of the guys that are surplus to requirements anyway, maybe add that to a mid-rounder.

Not convinced he’ll be a great upgrade over Robertson and doubt the two could play together on every down.

By: TFP

TFP — Thu, 31 May 2007 16:52:25 +0000

With any luck (or maybe we don’t need luck at all) Moss and Stallsworth will be out half of the 2007 season with hamstring injuries just like in 2006. Those two guys aren’t really that durable, and along with Maroney who just had surgery I think that the Pats offensive skill positions may fall to the injury bug. Who knows though, we just have to see how it plays out, but I would love to see the Jets come at them hard in the opener and really wear the Pats down

Jenkins would be great to have in the middle, but is he worth a 1st? I think he’s injury prone as well.. What’s the DT prospects look like next draft class?