Comments on: ESPN’s Matt Mosley on Kenyon Coleman

By: Bent

Bent — Mon, 02 Jul 2007 12:27:52 +0000

Actually we are only giving him $20m, not $25m and although he was a backup, he managed to get some decent playing time behind some very good players. However, they are giving him $6m guaranteed which means if they get rid of him in two years, it will have cost them about $12m and if they get rid of him in 3 years it’ll be about $15m.

I have no idea how he will pan out, but whatever happens, it looks like the mighty ESPN will be both right and wrong on the matter.

Fingers crossed. Hopefully he and the likes of Hamilton, Haynes and Hicks will push each other in camp.

By: wayne

wayne — Sun, 01 Jul 2007 15:41:29 +0000

H, could not believe the stats you posted for Seymour, had to check and in fact you are correct. For a perennial pro bowl player he sure lacks stats. His best year statistically was 4 years ago, when he amassed all of 56 tackles and 8 sacks, yet he goes to the pro bowl every year.

For comparisons sake, Sean Ellis, considered and underachiever, had 58 tackles and 5 sacks in 2006 compare to RS at 38 and 4.
The are about the same size.

So before we continue to try to run these guys (Ellis DRob, JV) out of town, lets give them a chance in the system for one full year.

H, I completely agree that stopping the run should be the deciding factor with KC. He needs to plug the big hole that was Kimo.

Just questioning the logic in paying 25 million to an ex-5th round pick who is a career bench player.

I hope they are right about him, it is the biggest question of the offseason. We know what we are getting with Bowen, TJ, Barnes and to some extent the top two draft picks.

KC is hit or miss and will make or break the offseason grade of Mr T.

By: Harlan Lachman

Harlan Lachman — Sun, 01 Jul 2007 15:22:22 +0000

Frankly, I don’t think trust has anything to do with it.

Tangini made a mistake last year with Kimo Von doNuthin. Some of us felt they made a mistake with DeWayne and Vilma too.

This year, they decided to go with Kenyon, DeWayne and Vilma to stop the run. The spent starters money on Kenyon and kept DeWayne and Vilma while both had trade value.

Our opinions nor Tangini’s matter. The only thing that matters is whether these guys can stop the run or not?

In a 3-4, DL don’t get much in the way of sacks. The best, Seymour, has five or fewer sacks each of the past three years. So the real test will be how do teams run on us when our season starts.

If this team is going to compete, Tangini cannot get it wrong again. Whether or not Tangini made the right decisions on Coleman, DeWayne and Vilma will mean a lot more than Mosely’s, Scouts Inc’s, Tangini’s or our opinions.

harlan

By: will

will — Sun, 01 Jul 2007 12:02:02 +0000

I trust – by far – the Jets’ FO, supplemented by Bill Parcells’ insights, over anyone else’s. Mangini, et al, has made some mistakes but they work ridiculously hard and know better than anyone what they are looking for in a player.

If you look at this offseason class of Jet recruits you have to be impressed: Revis, Coleman, Harris and Bowens should collectively have a solid impact.

By: wayne

wayne — Sun, 01 Jul 2007 00:19:32 +0000

4 sacks as a backup suppoets Scouts Inc., but for the contract they gave him he better be able to do both.

I am hoping to be wrong but thought this was a terrible signing from day one.

Has been a back up for five years, really no reason to expect him to turn into an every down player.

By: jetsgrumbler

jetsgrumbler — Sat, 30 Jun 2007 23:27:35 +0000

the scouts inc. report from espn insider actually completely contradicts mosley’s analysis:

“Coleman is athletic, quick and has solid pass-rushing tools….(long paragraph omitted)…He can be worn down and has his athleticism neutralized when opponents run at him.”

given mosley’s reluctance to offer up specific reason’s for his contrary view, i am inclined to agree with the detail offered by scouts, inc. and disbelieve mosley.

By: jetsgrumbler

jetsgrumbler — Sat, 30 Jun 2007 23:14:35 +0000

that’s more of a blanket statement than an explanation. this might just be me, but i think an actual explanation would say why he isn’t an NFL starter, rather than say what he is good at. is he that bad as a pass rusher? or does he wear down easily?

and really, if they played with 10 guys and kept KVO on the bench, would the defense be any worse than last season? he has got to be an upgrade over KVO.