Comments on: As Chad Struggles, The Foundation Shakes http://www.thejetsblog.com/2007/10/16/as-chad-struggles-the-foundation-shakes/ Ranting and Raving about the Gang Green Sun, 12 Feb 2012 14:47:11 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: sjfalcon2001 http://www.thejetsblog.com/2007/10/16/as-chad-struggles-the-foundation-shakes/#comment-52332 sjfalcon2001 Wed, 17 Oct 2007 15:46:52 +0000 http://www.thejetsblog.com/?p=2859#comment-52332 Broadway Joe, If the injury is the problem, then sit him out and let Clemens play until Chad's ankle is better. If he continues to play on the ankle and it is injured, he is not going to get any better. Resting the ankle would make it better. Lets face it, this has been going on for the last 2 seasons, since the shoulder injury. Last year, we could hide the deficiencies in Chad's throws, but this year teams are not worried about deep throws at all and are crowding the short passing zone up to 30 yards from the line of scrimmage and blitzing to force him to come out of the pocket with a bum ankle. And honestly, if the ankle is the problem, should he be doing a lot of QB sneaks? Broadway Joe,

If the injury is the problem, then sit him out and let Clemens play until Chad’s ankle is better. If he continues to play on the ankle and it is injured, he is not going to get any better. Resting the ankle would make it better.

Lets face it, this has been going on for the last 2 seasons, since the shoulder injury. Last year, we could hide the deficiencies in Chad’s throws, but this year teams are not worried about deep throws at all and are crowding the short passing zone up to 30 yards from the line of scrimmage and blitzing to force him to come out of the pocket with a bum ankle. And honestly, if the ankle is the problem, should he be doing a lot of QB sneaks?

]]> By: Zenlaw http://www.thejetsblog.com/2007/10/16/as-chad-struggles-the-foundation-shakes/#comment-52317 Zenlaw Wed, 17 Oct 2007 14:27:43 +0000 http://www.thejetsblog.com/?p=2859#comment-52317 Sackdance has it right. Watching Chad these days is painful. I am quickly losing interest in going to the rest of the games this year b/c watching the anemic offense is boring. Clearly, the Jets coaching staff doesn't trust Chad because they won't let him throw a pass over 10 yards. Maybe the coaches don't like what they see with KC in practice, but they clearly have no confidence in Chad (or the o-line's protection). Doesn't it feel like we've returned to the Paul Hackett offense? Lately, Chad's passing reminds me of Lamar Latrell throwing a javelin. At some point, when the season is lost for sure and the Jets are playing garbage time, they must start KC just to see if they have a legitimate starter. The Jets might as well use the garbage time constructively. Sackdance has it right. Watching Chad these days is painful.

I am quickly losing interest in going to the rest of the games this year b/c watching the anemic offense is boring.

Clearly, the Jets coaching staff doesn’t trust Chad because they won’t let him throw a pass over 10 yards. Maybe the coaches don’t like what they see with KC in practice, but they clearly have no confidence in Chad (or the o-line’s protection). Doesn’t it feel like we’ve returned to the Paul Hackett offense?

Lately, Chad’s passing reminds me of Lamar Latrell throwing a javelin.

At some point, when the season is lost for sure and the Jets are playing garbage time, they must start KC just to see if they have a legitimate starter. The Jets might as well use the garbage time constructively.

]]> By: Broadway Joe http://www.thejetsblog.com/2007/10/16/as-chad-struggles-the-foundation-shakes/#comment-52307 Broadway Joe Wed, 17 Oct 2007 13:46:01 +0000 http://www.thejetsblog.com/?p=2859#comment-52307 Clearly, Chad has not recovered from is ankle injury. Anyone who knows that if you can't plant properly, all your balls are going to sail. Let's try to keep it in some perspective. The Jets aren't really going to tell the extent of anyones injury but look for yourself at the picture up top. His ankle is seriously taped. Go ahead and complain about his throws. He's an arm thrower to begin with. Now he can't shift his weight properly to make the throws he's trying. Is that people's reason for canning him? He will improve as his injury gets better. Thank goodness the team doesn't think like the fans and reporters. And besides, they all know more about it than we ever will. Most of us are too busy being GM's and HC's wanting to right the ship now. Give them time I rather have one bad season on route to building a dynasty which takes time, than to poke holes at a good year, bad year quick fix plan. Clearly, Chad has not recovered from is ankle injury. Anyone who knows that if you can’t plant properly, all your balls are going to sail. Let’s try to keep it in some perspective. The Jets aren’t really going to tell the extent of anyones injury but look for yourself at the picture up top. His ankle is seriously taped. Go ahead and complain about his throws. He’s an arm thrower to begin with. Now he can’t shift his weight properly to make the throws he’s trying. Is that people’s reason for canning him? He will improve as his injury gets better. Thank goodness the team doesn’t think like the fans and reporters. And besides, they all know more about it than we ever will. Most of us are too busy being GM’s and HC’s wanting to right the ship now. Give them time I rather have one bad season on route to building a dynasty which takes time, than to poke holes at a good year, bad year quick fix plan.

]]> By: Nikolas http://www.thejetsblog.com/2007/10/16/as-chad-struggles-the-foundation-shakes/#comment-52300 Nikolas Wed, 17 Oct 2007 12:31:30 +0000 http://www.thejetsblog.com/?p=2859#comment-52300 The correct thinking goes as follows. Chad will play the first 10 games, and if by then the Team has no playoff chance he will be replaced by Clemens. The Last 6 games will show to them if Clemens is the QB for Next year. I have been a Chad supporter but I do see that something is wrong with him. I have no trust in his throws anymore. The fact is that we do not know exactly what the situation is with him. Is it his arm? Is it because he is pressing? Is it play calling? Or a combination of all these? If it is his arm, then he is done as a QB. If it is "pressing" then this implies that he has no confidence in our defense or offense. If it is play calling then it is just that, coaching which could be corrected. I think Mangini believes that it is a combination of the last two. The play calling is no good, and that Chad has no confidence on the Team. Things that can be corrected during the season. But if this is the case, then the question is who is responsible for this? I can not think of anything other than coaching. To summarize. Either Chad's arm is gone hence he is done, or it is Coaching which means that even Clenmens is not going to make much of a difference or get a good assesment if he is the future or not. The correct thinking goes as follows.
Chad will play the first 10 games, and if by then the Team has no playoff chance he will be replaced by Clemens. The Last 6 games will show to them if Clemens is the QB for Next year.

I have been a Chad supporter but I do see that something is wrong with him. I have no trust in his throws anymore.

The fact is that we do not know exactly what the situation is with him.

Is it his arm? Is it because he is pressing? Is it play calling?
Or a combination of all these?
If it is his arm, then he is done as a QB.
If it is “pressing” then this implies that he has no confidence in our defense or offense.
If it is play calling then it is just that, coaching which could be corrected.

I think Mangini believes that it is a combination of the last two.
The play calling is no good, and that Chad has no confidence on the Team. Things that can be corrected during the season.

But if this is the case, then the question is who is responsible for this?
I can not think of anything other than coaching.

To summarize.
Either Chad’s arm is gone hence he is done, or it is Coaching which means that even Clenmens is not going to make much of a difference or get a good assesment if he is the future or not.

]]> By: Mehl56 http://www.thejetsblog.com/2007/10/16/as-chad-struggles-the-foundation-shakes/#comment-52293 Mehl56 Wed, 17 Oct 2007 11:34:22 +0000 http://www.thejetsblog.com/?p=2859#comment-52293 If Mangini waits until the season is completely over and makes the change w/ 4 or 5 games left- Clemens will not get the benefit of playing w/ a team giving a 100%, even though the players and coach will give you the "they are professionals and get payed to play" speach it's human nature to put it on cruse control for some of the guys especially players that will be free agents and the like. This will not help Clemens growth and for the stats guys, bring his numbers down! Chad has been a loyal player, I personally like Chad but W's are the bottom line and the change needs to be made sooner rather then later. If Mangini waits until the season is completely over and makes the change w/ 4 or 5 games left- Clemens will not get the benefit of playing w/ a team giving a 100%, even though the players and coach will give you the “they are professionals and get payed to play” speach it’s human nature to put it on cruse control for some of the guys especially players that will be free agents and the like. This will not help Clemens growth and for the stats guys, bring his numbers down! Chad has been a loyal player, I personally like Chad but W’s are the bottom line and the change needs to be made sooner rather then later.

]]> By: Jeff http://www.thejetsblog.com/2007/10/16/as-chad-struggles-the-foundation-shakes/#comment-52191 Jeff Wed, 17 Oct 2007 03:41:50 +0000 http://www.thejetsblog.com/?p=2859#comment-52191 R in CT had it right. Chad is a leader in the locker room. He is a foundational player and by benchinh him your clearly ending his career as a starter. Chad has given soo much to this organization, and by dumping him off to another team shows the respect that Mangini has for his veteran players. So you just cant throw all your eggs in one basket and espect everything to ride smoothly. If Clemens sturggles and he becomes even worse than Chad then what is Mangini going to do? This is a high risk decision Mangini has to make. He will stick with Chad for several more weeks, there is light at the end of the tunnel, but if everyone feels otherwise, Chad is the one who knows if he has to back down from his role, which im sure many players in his position dont want to give up so easily. Also if Mangini plays the "best-player" then during practice Clemens must not be impressing the coaching staff.? R in CT had it right. Chad is a leader in the locker room. He is a foundational player and by benchinh him your clearly ending his career as a starter. Chad has given soo much to this organization, and by dumping him off to another team shows the respect that Mangini has for his veteran players. So you just cant throw all your eggs in one basket and espect everything to ride smoothly. If Clemens sturggles and he becomes even worse than Chad then what is Mangini going to do? This is a high risk decision Mangini has to make. He will stick with Chad for several more weeks, there is light at the end of the tunnel, but if everyone feels otherwise, Chad is the one who knows if he has to back down from his role, which im sure many players in his position dont want to give up so easily.

Also if Mangini plays the “best-player” then during practice Clemens must not be impressing the coaching staff.?

]]> By: wayne http://www.thejetsblog.com/2007/10/16/as-chad-struggles-the-foundation-shakes/#comment-52142 wayne Tue, 16 Oct 2007 23:05:13 +0000 http://www.thejetsblog.com/?p=2859#comment-52142 Well, the Dolphins front office, with their team going nowhere, traded Chambers to a contender for a SECOND round pick. He had all of 650 yards receving last year. Our front office does nothing. Disgusted. Enjoy Chad next fews games. Someone call me when they wake up and play Clemens. Well, the Dolphins front office, with their team going nowhere, traded Chambers to a contender for a SECOND round pick.

He had all of 650 yards receving last year.

Our front office does nothing. Disgusted.

Enjoy Chad next fews games.

Someone call me when they wake up and play Clemens.

]]> By: savepennington http://www.thejetsblog.com/2007/10/16/as-chad-struggles-the-foundation-shakes/#comment-52141 savepennington Tue, 16 Oct 2007 23:03:40 +0000 http://www.thejetsblog.com/?p=2859#comment-52141 pennington is not the reason the jets are dead in the water. he isn't exactly being helped out by his teammates. bob wischusen thinks he is still very much alive and if he is traded he will be a hot commodity. http://blogs.msg.com/gameon/2007/10/jets-taking-the.html pennington is not the reason the jets are dead in the water. he isn’t exactly being helped out by his teammates. bob wischusen thinks he is still very much alive and if he is traded he will be a hot commodity.

http://blogs.msg.com/gameon/2007/10/jets-taking-the.html

]]> By: seanmac http://www.thejetsblog.com/2007/10/16/as-chad-struggles-the-foundation-shakes/#comment-52137 seanmac Tue, 16 Oct 2007 22:53:26 +0000 http://www.thejetsblog.com/?p=2859#comment-52137 We'll find out. For all the handwringing, the coaching staff doesn't enjoy losing. They'll play who they think is going to give them the best chance of winning. When they think that player is Kellen Clemens, they'll let you know. Until then, the backup QB will continue to be the most popular guy in town. We’ll find out. For all the handwringing, the coaching staff doesn’t enjoy losing. They’ll play who they think is going to give them the best chance of winning. When they think that player is Kellen Clemens, they’ll let you know. Until then, the backup QB will continue to be the most popular guy in town.

]]> By: SackDance99 http://www.thejetsblog.com/2007/10/16/as-chad-struggles-the-foundation-shakes/#comment-52134 SackDance99 Tue, 16 Oct 2007 22:39:35 +0000 http://www.thejetsblog.com/?p=2859#comment-52134 Starting with the Buffalo game, I find watching Chad excruciating. Every short out, I wonder if it will be jumped. Every pass to Jericho has been made in double- or triple-coverage. Anything to a covered WR more than 15 yards away is delivered so slowly or underthrown that it's a train wreck waiting to happen. I have always liked Chad, but the Chad these past 3 weeks has made Browning Nagle look like Joe Montana. Is Chad owed the benefit of the doubt? Well, even Joe Montana finished his career with another team, and he had a lot left in the tank. What does Chad have left? Starting with the Buffalo game, I find watching Chad excruciating. Every short out, I wonder if it will be jumped. Every pass to Jericho has been made in double- or triple-coverage. Anything to a covered WR more than 15 yards away is delivered so slowly or underthrown that it’s a train wreck waiting to happen. I have always liked Chad, but the Chad these past 3 weeks has made Browning Nagle look like Joe Montana. Is Chad owed the benefit of the doubt? Well, even Joe Montana finished his career with another team, and he had a lot left in the tank. What does Chad have left?

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