Comments on: Buzz: More Smoke To the Jon Vilma Fire http://www.thejetsblog.com/2007/10/31/buzz-more-smoke-to-the-jon-vilma-fire/ Ranting and Raving about the Gang Green Sun, 12 Feb 2012 13:32:08 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: muff http://www.thejetsblog.com/2007/10/31/buzz-more-smoke-to-the-jon-vilma-fire/#comment-56658 muff Thu, 01 Nov 2007 20:24:41 +0000 http://www.thejetsblog.com/?p=2935#comment-56658 how is mangini not the guy? 1. no one even mumbled that at any point last season 2. that wouldn't even give him or tannanbuam a fair shot in implementing their system with their players. vilma doesn't fit this system. D rob doesn't fit this sytsem. so they move on. I'm a huge pennington guy and hate the fact that he's taking a ton of heat and probably won't be a huge part of the 2008 team. but thats the way things are. let them all go to KC with herm. we'll take salary cap relif and draft picks in return this needs to be looked at for what it is. every player last year played to their capibilities or above. it was the perfect storm that created unreal expectations for this year. there is no difference between romeo and magini except mangini and the jets got lucky last year. lets give this guy some time to plug in players he wants and needs before we start kicking guys while their down. how is mangini not the guy?

1. no one even mumbled that at any point last season
2. that wouldn’t even give him or tannanbuam a fair shot in implementing their system with their players.

vilma doesn’t fit this system. D rob doesn’t fit this sytsem. so they move on. I’m a huge pennington guy and hate the fact that he’s taking a ton of heat and probably won’t be a huge part of the 2008 team. but thats the way things are. let them all go to KC with herm. we’ll take salary cap relif and draft picks in return

this needs to be looked at for what it is. every player last year played to their capibilities or above. it was the perfect storm that created unreal expectations for this year. there is no difference between romeo and magini except mangini and the jets got lucky last year. lets give this guy some time to plug in players he wants and needs before we start kicking guys while their down.

]]> By: muff http://www.thejetsblog.com/2007/10/31/buzz-more-smoke-to-the-jon-vilma-fire/#comment-56651 muff Thu, 01 Nov 2007 19:58:46 +0000 http://www.thejetsblog.com/?p=2935#comment-56651 since when is pete kendall a stand up guy? he may be a good guy with his people but clearly lacks respect for authority. the same thing that happened in arizona with kendall happened here. the only difference is there were no expectations with the cardinals and very little media to blow it up. since when is pete kendall a stand up guy? he may be a good guy with his people but clearly lacks respect for authority. the same thing that happened in arizona with kendall happened here. the only difference is there were no expectations with the cardinals and very little media to blow it up.

]]> By: sjfalcon2001 http://www.thejetsblog.com/2007/10/31/buzz-more-smoke-to-the-jon-vilma-fire/#comment-56511 sjfalcon2001 Thu, 01 Nov 2007 03:12:41 +0000 http://www.thejetsblog.com/?p=2935#comment-56511 Slightly off topic here, but anyone looking for us to sign DT Grady Jackson will be disappointed. The Jaguars nabbed him today: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2007/football/nfl/wires/10/31/2020.ap.fbn.jaguars.jackson.0154/index.html Slightly off topic here, but anyone looking for us to sign DT Grady Jackson will be disappointed. The Jaguars nabbed him today:

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2007/football/nfl/wires/10/31/2020.ap.fbn.jaguars.jackson.0154/index.html

]]> By: Hitting the Links http://www.thejetsblog.com/2007/10/31/buzz-more-smoke-to-the-jon-vilma-fire/#comment-56469 Hitting the Links Wed, 31 Oct 2007 22:48:49 +0000 http://www.thejetsblog.com/?p=2935#comment-56469 [...] the Jets trying to cover up just how upset linebacker Jonathan Vilma is? If so, I would think it is to keep Vilma’s trade value from plummeting to the ground like a [...] [...] the Jets trying to cover up just how upset linebacker Jonathan Vilma is? If so, I would think it is to keep Vilma’s trade value from plummeting to the ground like a [...]

]]> By: KLECKO71 http://www.thejetsblog.com/2007/10/31/buzz-more-smoke-to-the-jon-vilma-fire/#comment-56458 KLECKO71 Wed, 31 Oct 2007 21:58:45 +0000 http://www.thejetsblog.com/?p=2935#comment-56458 love the venom!!!! worst pick?? easily roger vick..... as far as where this organization is headed...we all admit we were spoiled last year. and in the 7 losses, if i am correct we were in every one of em except the pats...and we needed the clemens comeback in the 4th in baltimore. WE HAVE NO PLAYMAKERS ON EITHER SIDE OF THE BALL!!! so get a few and those tough losses become wins again. BOTTOM LINE this offseason is HUGE....gotta draft right, and spend some $$ on quality free agents. B/C next year we aint dealing with this again...... love the venom!!!! worst pick?? easily roger vick…..

as far as where this organization is headed…we all admit we were spoiled last year. and in the 7 losses, if i am correct we were in every one of em except the pats…and we needed the clemens comeback in the 4th in baltimore. WE HAVE NO PLAYMAKERS ON EITHER SIDE OF THE BALL!!! so get a few and those tough losses become wins again. BOTTOM LINE this offseason is HUGE….gotta draft right, and spend some $$ on quality free agents. B/C next year we aint dealing with this again……

]]> By: Sean http://www.thejetsblog.com/2007/10/31/buzz-more-smoke-to-the-jon-vilma-fire/#comment-56447 Sean Wed, 31 Oct 2007 20:46:15 +0000 http://www.thejetsblog.com/?p=2935#comment-56447 Kyle Brady, Anthony Becht. Need I say more? Worst contract extensions? Ellis (non-factor with out Abraham) and Bryan Thomas. The ridiculous eight year deal Parcells gave Curtis (my favorite Jet ever) Martin was a better deal than what these two non-impact players got. Kyle Brady, Anthony Becht. Need I say more? Worst contract extensions? Ellis (non-factor with out Abraham) and Bryan Thomas. The ridiculous eight year deal Parcells gave Curtis (my favorite Jet ever) Martin was a better deal than what these two non-impact players got.

]]> By: SackDance99 http://www.thejetsblog.com/2007/10/31/buzz-more-smoke-to-the-jon-vilma-fire/#comment-56433 SackDance99 Wed, 31 Oct 2007 19:48:58 +0000 http://www.thejetsblog.com/?p=2935#comment-56433 My favorite bad 1st round pick was Roger Vick. What team takes a FB in the first round...that's right, the Jets. My favorite bad 1st round pick was Roger Vick. What team takes a FB in the first round…that’s right, the Jets.

]]> By: subwayfare http://www.thejetsblog.com/2007/10/31/buzz-more-smoke-to-the-jon-vilma-fire/#comment-56428 subwayfare Wed, 31 Oct 2007 19:20:50 +0000 http://www.thejetsblog.com/?p=2935#comment-56428 Most useless and overrated draft pick? Please give Dave Cadigan his due. Most useless and overrated draft pick? Please give Dave Cadigan his due.

]]> By: SackDance99 http://www.thejetsblog.com/2007/10/31/buzz-more-smoke-to-the-jon-vilma-fire/#comment-56422 SackDance99 Wed, 31 Oct 2007 18:58:05 +0000 http://www.thejetsblog.com/?p=2935#comment-56422 Vilma had great success early in his career. But, remember how McGahee owned him? McGahee ran right at him and over him. Vilma's great weakness is his lack of bulk; his greatest asset was his speed. As the years went on, Vilma's play recognition (awful at the cutback), ability to shed blockers (abysmal) and form tackling (not that good at head on tackling, much better laterally) showed that the NFL started to play on his weaknesses. And, under my old name, I posted before the Mangini era began that I thought Vilma was just too small for the 3-4, period. At this point, I do not think that the Jets would get a first-rounder...maybe the Jets could swap him for one of their many needs. Honestly, if the Jets got anything more than a 3rd rounder, I'd be surprised. The other player that I thought would never fit the 3-4 was Robertson because his knees can't take the double-team pounding and he's a good 1-gap DT. D-Rob has motor issues (maybe because of his knees?), but he's the DL who gets the most consistent upfield pressure. I'm a defender of his because I think the 3-4 could easily be modified to accentuate his strengths...let him 1-gap at NT or bring him in on passing downs or for 4-3 looks. As a contrast to Vilma, who just can't be fit into the 3-4. Jeff, the most overrated first round pick in Jets history? How about the no. 4 pick LT, who was hyped as a potential no. 1 pick and can't run block? Or, going back in history, Blair Thomas, Johnny Lame Jones, etc. At least D-Rob has won 2 AFC Defensive Player of the Week awards...he has talent and has shown he can be a good NFL player. There are numerous top 5 draft picks who weren't fit for the NFL. D-Rob is not one of them. And, I think Sutton/Mangini's failure to employ D-Rob properly is one of their major coaching failures. Vilma had great success early in his career. But, remember how McGahee owned him? McGahee ran right at him and over him. Vilma’s great weakness is his lack of bulk; his greatest asset was his speed. As the years went on, Vilma’s play recognition (awful at the cutback), ability to shed blockers (abysmal) and form tackling (not that good at head on tackling, much better laterally) showed that the NFL started to play on his weaknesses. And, under my old name, I posted before the Mangini era began that I thought Vilma was just too small for the 3-4, period. At this point, I do not think that the Jets would get a first-rounder…maybe the Jets could swap him for one of their many needs. Honestly, if the Jets got anything more than a 3rd rounder, I’d be surprised.

The other player that I thought would never fit the 3-4 was Robertson because his knees can’t take the double-team pounding and he’s a good 1-gap DT. D-Rob has motor issues (maybe because of his knees?), but he’s the DL who gets the most consistent upfield pressure. I’m a defender of his because I think the 3-4 could easily be modified to accentuate his strengths…let him 1-gap at NT or bring him in on passing downs or for 4-3 looks. As a contrast to Vilma, who just can’t be fit into the 3-4.

Jeff, the most overrated first round pick in Jets history? How about the no. 4 pick LT, who was hyped as a potential no. 1 pick and can’t run block? Or, going back in history, Blair Thomas, Johnny Lame Jones, etc. At least D-Rob has won 2 AFC Defensive Player of the Week awards…he has talent and has shown he can be a good NFL player. There are numerous top 5 draft picks who weren’t fit for the NFL. D-Rob is not one of them. And, I think Sutton/Mangini’s failure to employ D-Rob properly is one of their major coaching failures.

]]> By: Jeff http://www.thejetsblog.com/2007/10/31/buzz-more-smoke-to-the-jon-vilma-fire/#comment-56391 Jeff Wed, 31 Oct 2007 16:09:10 +0000 http://www.thejetsblog.com/?p=2935#comment-56391 “Vilma doesn’t like this defense and a lot of the guys feel that way,” At least we finally know. The problem is that we will never really know how good Vilma would have been if we had a 4-3 ever since he went to the ProBowl. I believe we can get a 1st rounder for him, since he is an elite player. But the scheme we run again doesnt have the players that fit the scheme. We saw the potential with Harris, Ellis still has the bulk and strength to run the 3-4 so does Coleman. Robertson was arguably the most useless and overrated draftpick ever! I believe Glenn Dorsey is a carbon copy of Robertson so watch out. Our OLB are too slow to play the 3-4 I mean when you see Hobson running at you he doesnt really spell speed-rusher. He should play inside and Barton, I have no clue why he is still here. Bryan Thomas has turned into a waste of cap-space ever since he signed that contract. Our O-line is improving but we still need some key pieces. Our RB is a stop-gap as we draft a replacement in the next couple years. All of this spells rebuilding but no-one wants to say that. Unfortunately the players are faltering not Mangini. You give them the plays and the scheme and its not the coaches fault since its POOR-EXECUTION. Look at the Cincy,Bills, Giants game to see that. “Vilma doesn’t like this defense and a lot of the guys feel that way,”

At least we finally know. The problem is that we will never really know how good Vilma would have been if we had a 4-3 ever since he went to the ProBowl. I believe we can get a 1st rounder for him, since he is an elite player. But the scheme we run again doesnt have the players that fit the scheme. We saw the potential with Harris, Ellis still has the bulk and strength to run the 3-4 so does Coleman. Robertson was arguably the most useless and overrated draftpick ever! I believe Glenn Dorsey is a carbon copy of Robertson so watch out. Our OLB are too slow to play the 3-4 I mean when you see Hobson running at you he doesnt really spell speed-rusher. He should play inside and Barton, I have no clue why he is still here. Bryan Thomas has turned into a waste of cap-space ever since he signed that contract. Our O-line is improving but we still need some key pieces. Our RB is a stop-gap as we draft a replacement in the next couple years. All of this spells rebuilding but no-one wants to say that. Unfortunately the players are faltering not Mangini. You give them the plays and the scheme and its not the coaches fault since its POOR-EXECUTION. Look at the Cincy,Bills, Giants game to see that.

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