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	<title>Comments on: Buzz: It&#8217;s Official, Chad Doesn&#8217;t Want to Be Back</title>
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		<title>By: Arrowhead Addict &#124; A Kansas City Chiefs Blog, No 12 Step Program Required</title>
		<link>http://www.thejetsblog.com/2007/11/29/buzz-its-official-chad-doesnt-want-to-be-back/comment-page-1/#comment-62599</link>
		<dc:creator>Arrowhead Addict &#124; A Kansas City Chiefs Blog, No 12 Step Program Required</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Dec 2007 21:25:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] everybody seems to be talking Chad Pennington, here&#8217;s a link to The Jets Blog, our personal favorite J-E-T-S site, with the scoop. Even though many Chiefs fans are [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] everybody seems to be talking Chad Pennington, here&#8217;s a link to The Jets Blog, our personal favorite J-E-T-S site, with the scoop. Even though many Chiefs fans are [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Prince</title>
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		<dc:creator>Prince</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Dec 2007 18:12:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m curious to see how the Samuels thing plays out.  

To his credit, he has backed up his claim of being in the top 10% of CBs, I&#039;m assuming Mangini must still love him and hasn&#039;t lost interest in trying to get him since last off-season.  Plus with Revis, he&#039;d be grinning at the opportunity to have two legit CBs in the Jets backfield for the first time since Houston joined the league and swiped our two.

Its too early to have had a chance to look in depth at the numbers but Moss and Samuels would both have to get paid in NE in order for them to stay, and both warrant contracts in-line with the highest paid players at their respective positions.  I know NE has managed the cap situation very, very well, but can they afford two franchise-caliber players in the same year.  Further, doesn&#039;t every dollar the Jets use to lure players away from a division rival have more value than dollars spent acquiring similar talent from other divisions?

Its pretty clear to me that the Jets need to make sure both of these players know that they should check in with the Jets camp at the end of the season just to see whats what.  At a minimum, we should do whatever we can to drive up the price (which is probably what the attempt to sign Samuels last off-season was about, anyway.)

While neither addresses one of our three biggest needs (DL, OL, LB) working these angles should still be top priorities in the off-season.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m curious to see how the Samuels thing plays out.  </p>
<p>To his credit, he has backed up his claim of being in the top 10% of CBs, I&#8217;m assuming Mangini must still love him and hasn&#8217;t lost interest in trying to get him since last off-season.  Plus with Revis, he&#8217;d be grinning at the opportunity to have two legit CBs in the Jets backfield for the first time since Houston joined the league and swiped our two.</p>
<p>Its too early to have had a chance to look in depth at the numbers but Moss and Samuels would both have to get paid in NE in order for them to stay, and both warrant contracts in-line with the highest paid players at their respective positions.  I know NE has managed the cap situation very, very well, but can they afford two franchise-caliber players in the same year.  Further, doesn&#8217;t every dollar the Jets use to lure players away from a division rival have more value than dollars spent acquiring similar talent from other divisions?</p>
<p>Its pretty clear to me that the Jets need to make sure both of these players know that they should check in with the Jets camp at the end of the season just to see whats what.  At a minimum, we should do whatever we can to drive up the price (which is probably what the attempt to sign Samuels last off-season was about, anyway.)</p>
<p>While neither addresses one of our three biggest needs (DL, OL, LB) working these angles should still be top priorities in the off-season.</p>
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		<title>By: yuggle it</title>
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		<dc:creator>yuggle it</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Nov 2007 21:07:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Vilma and Chad for Hall. Everyone wants out, this would make them all happier. Atlanta plays a 4-3 and has no QB, so good for them. We would have two good corners. From there, we focus on line in the draft. Maybe wishful thinking, but my buddy and me discussed this recently and I am convinced this is what needs to happen. 

As for Hall&#039;s mouth/personality, I&#039;m thinking we need some of it. Or we can just throw stupid money at Samuels. I&#039;d be happy with that too. Actually, I&#039;d probably prefer that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Vilma and Chad for Hall. Everyone wants out, this would make them all happier. Atlanta plays a 4-3 and has no QB, so good for them. We would have two good corners. From there, we focus on line in the draft. Maybe wishful thinking, but my buddy and me discussed this recently and I am convinced this is what needs to happen. </p>
<p>As for Hall&#8217;s mouth/personality, I&#8217;m thinking we need some of it. Or we can just throw stupid money at Samuels. I&#8217;d be happy with that too. Actually, I&#8217;d probably prefer that.</p>
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		<title>By: bro</title>
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		<dc:creator>bro</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Nov 2007 18:15:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>put Chad behind the Cowboy O Line and you will see his real value</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>put Chad behind the Cowboy O Line and you will see his real value</p>
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		<title>By: Bent</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bent</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Nov 2007 17:49:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t think his contract is that bad if a team trades for him.  All the signing bonus money counts against the Jets cap and much of his current deal is reportedly incentive based, plus there will be no cap hit if the team trading for him has to release him (ie if he was hurt again).  Low risk, high reward and therefore his trade value will be determined by his performance, because it will almost certainly be for a conditional pick.

I&#039;d prefer to retain him, am still not convinced he doesn&#039;t deserve another chance to start behind a (hopefully) better line next year without the ankle problems and think he&#039;d be one of the best backups in the league, but if he does want out, I think we owe it to him to give him what he wants.

There will be some kind of market for him though, so we must trade him, not cut him.  Releasing him would be senseless, because the cap hit plus the cost of what would be an inferior replacement exceeds his salary anyway if we retain him, especially if he isn&#039;t playing because he won&#039;t be meeting the incentives in his deal (which is of course the main reason he wants out - along with his competitiveness, natch).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t think his contract is that bad if a team trades for him.  All the signing bonus money counts against the Jets cap and much of his current deal is reportedly incentive based, plus there will be no cap hit if the team trading for him has to release him (ie if he was hurt again).  Low risk, high reward and therefore his trade value will be determined by his performance, because it will almost certainly be for a conditional pick.</p>
<p>I&#8217;d prefer to retain him, am still not convinced he doesn&#8217;t deserve another chance to start behind a (hopefully) better line next year without the ankle problems and think he&#8217;d be one of the best backups in the league, but if he does want out, I think we owe it to him to give him what he wants.</p>
<p>There will be some kind of market for him though, so we must trade him, not cut him.  Releasing him would be senseless, because the cap hit plus the cost of what would be an inferior replacement exceeds his salary anyway if we retain him, especially if he isn&#8217;t playing because he won&#8217;t be meeting the incentives in his deal (which is of course the main reason he wants out &#8211; along with his competitiveness, natch).</p>
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		<title>By: houroc</title>
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		<dc:creator>houroc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Nov 2007 17:02:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Klecko thats exactly what I was thinking.  Even though they have Derek Anderson, he is not the guy for the future for them.  If anything, he will be available next season.

Back to the topic this, I agree with Sack.  He really doesn&#039;t have much trade Value but I think there will be a decent amount of interest, I just don&#039;t think that the offers will be so great.

I do wish the best for Chad though.  He was our guy but he just kept getting hurt.  :-(</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Klecko thats exactly what I was thinking.  Even though they have Derek Anderson, he is not the guy for the future for them.  If anything, he will be available next season.</p>
<p>Back to the topic this, I agree with Sack.  He really doesn&#8217;t have much trade Value but I think there will be a decent amount of interest, I just don&#8217;t think that the offers will be so great.</p>
<p>I do wish the best for Chad though.  He was our guy but he just kept getting hurt.  :-(</p>
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		<title>By: klecko71</title>
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		<dc:creator>klecko71</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Nov 2007 15:24:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>sack is right...chad gets a 4th back, maybe a 3rd.

but sack...brady quinn will NOT be availabe.  

to put him on a list with losman, pepper, and simms is absurd.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>sack is right&#8230;chad gets a 4th back, maybe a 3rd.</p>
<p>but sack&#8230;brady quinn will NOT be availabe.  </p>
<p>to put him on a list with losman, pepper, and simms is absurd.</p>
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		<title>By: Harlan Lachman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Harlan Lachman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Nov 2007 15:08:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with SackDance and ZenLaw and Redd5 with one caveat. While this is a business and loyalty is valued at next to nothing, I would at least tell Chad&#039;s agent if he can get us a top 50 pick he can engineer a trade, even to a team in our division. That will allow Chad to consider redoing his contract as part of a trade (addressing Redd5&#039;s accurate concern) to see his real market value (which I expect is no better than SackDance&#039;s assumption), yet finally give Tangini the appearance of honoring a guy who gave his all for our team.

Harlan</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with SackDance and ZenLaw and Redd5 with one caveat. While this is a business and loyalty is valued at next to nothing, I would at least tell Chad&#8217;s agent if he can get us a top 50 pick he can engineer a trade, even to a team in our division. That will allow Chad to consider redoing his contract as part of a trade (addressing Redd5&#8217;s accurate concern) to see his real market value (which I expect is no better than SackDance&#8217;s assumption), yet finally give Tangini the appearance of honoring a guy who gave his all for our team.</p>
<p>Harlan</p>
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		<title>By: redd5</title>
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		<dc:creator>redd5</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Nov 2007 14:43:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>teams probably wont want to trade for him, because then they&#039;ll have to take his contract.  a team could probably sign him as a free agent for less (with incentives).  it all depends on how kellen plays this week.  we need to see something big from him the rest of the year, or I don&#039;t think you can go with him next year.  unless, you are prepared to have another losing season..</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>teams probably wont want to trade for him, because then they&#8217;ll have to take his contract.  a team could probably sign him as a free agent for less (with incentives).  it all depends on how kellen plays this week.  we need to see something big from him the rest of the year, or I don&#8217;t think you can go with him next year.  unless, you are prepared to have another losing season..</p>
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		<title>By: Zenlaw</title>
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		<dc:creator>Zenlaw</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Nov 2007 14:05:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you SackDance.  I could not agree more with your comment.  Chad is worth a 4th rounder, or maybe a 3rd at best.  Only the Jets give up 1st and 2nd round picks for bench players.

The simple best way to maximize Chad&#039;s value is to retain him.  Notwithstanding the cap hit, having a capable backup qb is invaluable; particularly given the sorry state of the Jets&#039; o-line.  Trading Chad for a 4th (or even a 3rd) round pick would likely be useless.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you SackDance.  I could not agree more with your comment.  Chad is worth a 4th rounder, or maybe a 3rd at best.  Only the Jets give up 1st and 2nd round picks for bench players.</p>
<p>The simple best way to maximize Chad&#8217;s value is to retain him.  Notwithstanding the cap hit, having a capable backup qb is invaluable; particularly given the sorry state of the Jets&#8217; o-line.  Trading Chad for a 4th (or even a 3rd) round pick would likely be useless.</p>
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