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		<title>By: Ilan</title>
		<link>http://www.thejetsblog.com/2008/01/07/tannenbaums-annual-season-wrap-up-presser/comment-page-1/#comment-65480</link>
		<dc:creator>Ilan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Jan 2008 00:41:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nikolas,

I agree with you to a point on Chad. I think he&#039;s getting a little of a rough shake, but you can&#039;t discount his decline (especially his tendency to throw interceptions in the red zone or on out routes that can easily become a pick 6). Clemens had his share of problems this year as well but if you look at their experience levels these are mistakes you can deal with from a guy with fewer than 10 career starts but not mistakes you can afford from a veteran.

As for Coles, he is a very good player and has the pulse of the locker room. In addition, he&#039;s a much more difficult player to replace than Kendall. These are two very different situations, I say re-sign him.

I have to disagree with you on Vilma though. What has he done over the course of the last two seasons to indicate to you that he can be successful in this scheme. He is the size of a free safety, can&#039;t take on linemen and gets thrown around like a teddy bear. The defense improved significantly when he went down and Harris was inserted as the starter. Vilma may be a good player when he can go sideline to sideline but he can&#039;t do that in a 3-4. He is no longer the most integral player on this defense. In fact, I&#039;d say that Harris, Revis, Coleman, Robertson (even though not a great NT) and maybe even Mosley after his late season play are more important members of this defense now. Are the Jets just supposed to hold onto him in the hopes that he grows 2 inches and gains 20 pounds or do they seek a trade and see what they can get?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nikolas,</p>
<p>I agree with you to a point on Chad. I think he&#8217;s getting a little of a rough shake, but you can&#8217;t discount his decline (especially his tendency to throw interceptions in the red zone or on out routes that can easily become a pick 6). Clemens had his share of problems this year as well but if you look at their experience levels these are mistakes you can deal with from a guy with fewer than 10 career starts but not mistakes you can afford from a veteran.</p>
<p>As for Coles, he is a very good player and has the pulse of the locker room. In addition, he&#8217;s a much more difficult player to replace than Kendall. These are two very different situations, I say re-sign him.</p>
<p>I have to disagree with you on Vilma though. What has he done over the course of the last two seasons to indicate to you that he can be successful in this scheme. He is the size of a free safety, can&#8217;t take on linemen and gets thrown around like a teddy bear. The defense improved significantly when he went down and Harris was inserted as the starter. Vilma may be a good player when he can go sideline to sideline but he can&#8217;t do that in a 3-4. He is no longer the most integral player on this defense. In fact, I&#8217;d say that Harris, Revis, Coleman, Robertson (even though not a great NT) and maybe even Mosley after his late season play are more important members of this defense now. Are the Jets just supposed to hold onto him in the hopes that he grows 2 inches and gains 20 pounds or do they seek a trade and see what they can get?</p>
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		<title>By: Jack</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jack</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Jan 2008 00:18:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think Jets should as least try to trade Pennington just to see what they could get for him. I think as will it would wise to keep Chad because then there no back up for Clemens, Clemens would with out a doubt should be the starter. Then  L, Coles I would make a trade for him I think the Jets will be fine with J, Cotchery and C, Stuckey I know we didn&#039;t get to see much of Stuckey but I think he&#039;ll be fine. and as for J, McCareins should be traded or cut. And I think the Jets should go out and get a WR, from F/A or inless they can make some kind of deal with Coles for a another WR, a pick and draft one.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think Jets should as least try to trade Pennington just to see what they could get for him. I think as will it would wise to keep Chad because then there no back up for Clemens, Clemens would with out a doubt should be the starter. Then  L, Coles I would make a trade for him I think the Jets will be fine with J, Cotchery and C, Stuckey I know we didn&#8217;t get to see much of Stuckey but I think he&#8217;ll be fine. and as for J, McCareins should be traded or cut. And I think the Jets should go out and get a WR, from F/A or inless they can make some kind of deal with Coles for a another WR, a pick and draft one.</p>
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		<title>By: Bent</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bent</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Jan 2008 00:01:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That&#039;s right muff.  None of it is guaranteed so he could theoretically be traded or released with no cap hit.  (Not that I&#039;m suggesting they do this).

He wants to end his career here, maybe extending it to 5 years.  That takes him to 35, which is not always too old for a WR, but for one who takes such a pounding for his size?  Hmmm.  

I guess it all depends how much he wants and how much will be guaranteed.  Letting him play out the contract without rewarding him with some guaranteed money could potentially lead to another Kendall situation.  Of course, one would hope not.

The fact he wants to stay is good news though and flies in the face of the concern that no decent players will ever sign here.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That&#8217;s right muff.  None of it is guaranteed so he could theoretically be traded or released with no cap hit.  (Not that I&#8217;m suggesting they do this).</p>
<p>He wants to end his career here, maybe extending it to 5 years.  That takes him to 35, which is not always too old for a WR, but for one who takes such a pounding for his size?  Hmmm.  </p>
<p>I guess it all depends how much he wants and how much will be guaranteed.  Letting him play out the contract without rewarding him with some guaranteed money could potentially lead to another Kendall situation.  Of course, one would hope not.</p>
<p>The fact he wants to stay is good news though and flies in the face of the concern that no decent players will ever sign here.</p>
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		<title>By: Bent</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bent</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Jan 2008 23:54:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah, nik, I guess I missed the point, but you can&#039;t argue with what I wrote!

Don&#039;t think I am arguing directly with you on these issues.  I think you&#039;ll find I haven&#039;t actually expressed an opinion one way or the other.  So, no...no offense taken by me.

Sack...I guess it wasn&#039;t their best game, but hasn&#039;t impacted my opinion of either and I don&#039;t think it will hurt their draft stock.  JL had a good series on that (failed) goalline stand.  Dorsey was disruptive although he didn&#039;t make many impact plays.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah, nik, I guess I missed the point, but you can&#8217;t argue with what I wrote!</p>
<p>Don&#8217;t think I am arguing directly with you on these issues.  I think you&#8217;ll find I haven&#8217;t actually expressed an opinion one way or the other.  So, no&#8230;no offense taken by me.</p>
<p>Sack&#8230;I guess it wasn&#8217;t their best game, but hasn&#8217;t impacted my opinion of either and I don&#8217;t think it will hurt their draft stock.  JL had a good series on that (failed) goalline stand.  Dorsey was disruptive although he didn&#8217;t make many impact plays.</p>
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		<title>By: muff</title>
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		<dc:creator>muff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Jan 2008 23:52:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>sack or anyone - what is the contact situation with LC?

meaning what is he looking to do vs. is the FO looking to lower his cap number?

i said this above, i love coles, but it seems like all he wants to do is restructure his deals.  if my info was correct and he 2 yrs $11 mill left, let him play out that contract and move on, unless of course his cap # is unmanagable.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>sack or anyone &#8211; what is the contact situation with LC?</p>
<p>meaning what is he looking to do vs. is the FO looking to lower his cap number?</p>
<p>i said this above, i love coles, but it seems like all he wants to do is restructure his deals.  if my info was correct and he 2 yrs $11 mill left, let him play out that contract and move on, unless of course his cap # is unmanagable.</p>
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		<title>By: SackDance99</title>
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		<dc:creator>SackDance99</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Jan 2008 22:38:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nikolas, Vilma hasn&#039;t been thrown under the bus by fans who thought he was injured.  It just has been obvious that he was lost as a 3-4 ILB.  The difference to the run D between Vilma and Harris was night-and-day.  Vilma has a great skill set, but he&#039;s undersized, has problems shedding blockers and is not a good straight on tackler.  Having him take on OGs and Cs led to an injury, not surprising considering that Vilma is just not that big.  We all like Chad and Vilma.  But, what&#039;s the use of having them on the team when they just can&#039;t do what the coaching staff wants.  As for LC, I&#039;m concerned about his concussion issue, but he&#039;s still the Jets&#039; best WR and, among the three, should be re-signed and/or extended with a cap-friendly contract.

By the way, I liked what I saw from Gholston, but Laurinaitis didn&#039;t live up to the billing for me, and neither did Dorsey.  Anyone else feel that way?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nikolas, Vilma hasn&#8217;t been thrown under the bus by fans who thought he was injured.  It just has been obvious that he was lost as a 3-4 ILB.  The difference to the run D between Vilma and Harris was night-and-day.  Vilma has a great skill set, but he&#8217;s undersized, has problems shedding blockers and is not a good straight on tackler.  Having him take on OGs and Cs led to an injury, not surprising considering that Vilma is just not that big.  We all like Chad and Vilma.  But, what&#8217;s the use of having them on the team when they just can&#8217;t do what the coaching staff wants.  As for LC, I&#8217;m concerned about his concussion issue, but he&#8217;s still the Jets&#8217; best WR and, among the three, should be re-signed and/or extended with a cap-friendly contract.</p>
<p>By the way, I liked what I saw from Gholston, but Laurinaitis didn&#8217;t live up to the billing for me, and neither did Dorsey.  Anyone else feel that way?</p>
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		<title>By: jet4lif</title>
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		<dc:creator>jet4lif</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Jan 2008 21:58:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tru dat subway.
KC and Chad cant be in the same system together. It hurts the team coz the other players have to adjust in a big way. Due to this reason alone thwy should get any value for Chad. These days in this league QB is a hot property so getting an early 3rd rounder for Chad is not a bad idea.
What happened to those Chad to chiefs rumors? We can throw in Just McCantcatchanything in the deal.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tru dat subway.<br />
KC and Chad cant be in the same system together. It hurts the team coz the other players have to adjust in a big way. Due to this reason alone thwy should get any value for Chad. These days in this league QB is a hot property so getting an early 3rd rounder for Chad is not a bad idea.<br />
What happened to those Chad to chiefs rumors? We can throw in Just McCantcatchanything in the deal.</p>
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		<title>By: RAJ</title>
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		<dc:creator>RAJ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Jan 2008 21:50:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Why is he talking to Victor Hobson’s agent??? Can someone please confirm that it is not about a contract. Please&quot;.

Hobson&#039;s contract is up. He will be a free agent.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Why is he talking to Victor Hobson’s agent??? Can someone please confirm that it is not about a contract. Please&#8221;.</p>
<p>Hobson&#8217;s contract is up. He will be a free agent.</p>
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		<title>By: subwayfare</title>
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		<dc:creator>subwayfare</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Jan 2008 18:46:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ll repeat my opinion that I think it unlikely that Tannenbaum is doing anything but priming the market by saying Chad will compete for a starting job. What else is he going to do? Say that the Jets have no use for him so don&#039;t bother even offering us anything since we&#039;ll just cut him anyway? 

The only way it makes any sense to have Chad back is if management has already decided KC is not the future and is going to draft a new QB prospect, trade for, or sign a free agent. 

KC and Chad have completely different skill sets and should really have totally different offenses and personnel. Even putting that reality aside,  the only way KC is going to accelerate his development adequately enough to compete in the league next year is to get all the first team snaps.

Chad&#039;s experience and heart are tantalizing qualities but there is little evidence that he has the physical skills to lead the team to a championship in either the short or long term. Virtually every playoff contender features a vertical offense with a strong armed quarterback to execute it. It may just be that the speed and athleticism of contemporary NFL linebackers and safeties have made the short passing offense all but obsolete. Perhaps seanmac will soon appear with data to prove my theory wrong but, at least on the surface, it seems like the most successful NFL offenses feature QBs who stretch the field and throw touchdown passes. 

I&#039;ll be fine having Chad back if management feels KC is not the answer and we draft, sign or trade for another young prospect who needs a year or two to learn while we improve other areas of the team and let Chad reach his ceiling of 9 or 10 wins and a quick playoff exit. 

I only care about legitimate, steady progress in building a consistently successful organization, not quick fixes that repeatedly set the team back like previous regimes have done.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ll repeat my opinion that I think it unlikely that Tannenbaum is doing anything but priming the market by saying Chad will compete for a starting job. What else is he going to do? Say that the Jets have no use for him so don&#8217;t bother even offering us anything since we&#8217;ll just cut him anyway? </p>
<p>The only way it makes any sense to have Chad back is if management has already decided KC is not the future and is going to draft a new QB prospect, trade for, or sign a free agent. </p>
<p>KC and Chad have completely different skill sets and should really have totally different offenses and personnel. Even putting that reality aside,  the only way KC is going to accelerate his development adequately enough to compete in the league next year is to get all the first team snaps.</p>
<p>Chad&#8217;s experience and heart are tantalizing qualities but there is little evidence that he has the physical skills to lead the team to a championship in either the short or long term. Virtually every playoff contender features a vertical offense with a strong armed quarterback to execute it. It may just be that the speed and athleticism of contemporary NFL linebackers and safeties have made the short passing offense all but obsolete. Perhaps seanmac will soon appear with data to prove my theory wrong but, at least on the surface, it seems like the most successful NFL offenses feature QBs who stretch the field and throw touchdown passes. </p>
<p>I&#8217;ll be fine having Chad back if management feels KC is not the answer and we draft, sign or trade for another young prospect who needs a year or two to learn while we improve other areas of the team and let Chad reach his ceiling of 9 or 10 wins and a quick playoff exit. </p>
<p>I only care about legitimate, steady progress in building a consistently successful organization, not quick fixes that repeatedly set the team back like previous regimes have done.</p>
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		<title>By: BaltimoreJet</title>
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		<dc:creator>BaltimoreJet</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Jan 2008 18:31:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t think people want Chad and Vilma out because they gave it their all and then got hurt.  Fans who want those players out feel that a) Chad can&#039;t win in this league anymore and b) feel that Vilma doesn&#039;t fit the current system.  I don&#039;t think it has anything to do with their injuries (unless you want to say that Chad&#039;s past injuries are what&#039;s limiting his success.)  People who are concerned about Coles are probably concerned because he has been hurt the last a few times over the past three seasons and locking up money to a guy who gets hurt is dangerous.  I love Coles, but I can at least understand this concern.

People probably wanted Abraham to leave because we couldn&#039;t afford him, we were able to get decent value for him, and we all knew that he never played because he was constantly hurt.  This is not being hypocrit, it&#039;s taking every situation on a case by case basis, as you should.

I, for one, wish the best for Chad and really wish he could do it here in NY.  However, you always have to keep your eyes open.  As for Vilma, if he doesn&#039;t fit in a 3-4 and would bring back decent value from a team that could use him, it&#039;s something you have to think about.

Lastly, this has nothing to do with Romans, I don&#039;t care what you say about that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t think people want Chad and Vilma out because they gave it their all and then got hurt.  Fans who want those players out feel that a) Chad can&#8217;t win in this league anymore and b) feel that Vilma doesn&#8217;t fit the current system.  I don&#8217;t think it has anything to do with their injuries (unless you want to say that Chad&#8217;s past injuries are what&#8217;s limiting his success.)  People who are concerned about Coles are probably concerned because he has been hurt the last a few times over the past three seasons and locking up money to a guy who gets hurt is dangerous.  I love Coles, but I can at least understand this concern.</p>
<p>People probably wanted Abraham to leave because we couldn&#8217;t afford him, we were able to get decent value for him, and we all knew that he never played because he was constantly hurt.  This is not being hypocrit, it&#8217;s taking every situation on a case by case basis, as you should.</p>
<p>I, for one, wish the best for Chad and really wish he could do it here in NY.  However, you always have to keep your eyes open.  As for Vilma, if he doesn&#8217;t fit in a 3-4 and would bring back decent value from a team that could use him, it&#8217;s something you have to think about.</p>
<p>Lastly, this has nothing to do with Romans, I don&#8217;t care what you say about that.</p>
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