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		<title>By: dakar</title>
		<link>http://www.thejetsblog.com/2008/01/14/chat-hijack-draft-strategy-edition/#comment-66310</link>
		<dc:creator>dakar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Jan 2008 21:33:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>its easier to build the deffensive line through the draft than it is the offensive line...you need expierance on the O-LINE...i wouldn&#039;t mind long...but seriously...its harder to play on the O-LINE than it is on D-LINE...just like its easier to play reciever than it is to play CB...we need offensive linemen who can read a deffense and react...free agency is the way to go for the offensive line...draft is for the deffense...imo</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>its easier to build the deffensive line through the draft than it is the offensive line&#8230;you need expierance on the O-LINE&#8230;i wouldn&#8217;t mind long&#8230;but seriously&#8230;its harder to play on the O-LINE than it is on D-LINE&#8230;just like its easier to play reciever than it is to play CB&#8230;we need offensive linemen who can read a deffense and react&#8230;free agency is the way to go for the offensive line&#8230;draft is for the deffense&#8230;imo</p>
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		<title>By: seanmac</title>
		<link>http://www.thejetsblog.com/2008/01/14/chat-hijack-draft-strategy-edition/#comment-66220</link>
		<dc:creator>seanmac</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Jan 2008 21:50:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ll be shocked of Oher doesn&#039;t go in the top fifteen come draft day, and I think he&#039;ll make a better left tackle than Jake Long when all is said and done.  Long strikes me as more of a right tackle at the next level.  I&#039;ll say this- if Oher is available at the top of the second round, the team should run their card up to the podium.  Not only does he have the mass to hold up well on the right side, but he gives you tremendous insurance should Ferguson either not progress or get hurt.  He would basically be filling two roster slots at once.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ll be shocked of Oher doesn&#8217;t go in the top fifteen come draft day, and I think he&#8217;ll make a better left tackle than Jake Long when all is said and done.  Long strikes me as more of a right tackle at the next level.  I&#8217;ll say this- if Oher is available at the top of the second round, the team should run their card up to the podium.  Not only does he have the mass to hold up well on the right side, but he gives you tremendous insurance should Ferguson either not progress or get hurt.  He would basically be filling two roster slots at once.</p>
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		<title>By: dakar</title>
		<link>http://www.thejetsblog.com/2008/01/14/chat-hijack-draft-strategy-edition/#comment-66217</link>
		<dc:creator>dakar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Jan 2008 21:40:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>jet4life...it all starts up front...brady manning and farv wont be able to do anything without their ol protection...put either 1 of those QBs behind this line of ours and they wont be able to complete a pass just like penn and clemons...they would be runing for their lives just like our QBs were running for theirs...when anyone of the above mentioned QBs has gotten pressured throughout a game they throw int&#039;s like there going out of style...its been proven true of brady manning and favr...just look at farv...last year his line wasn&#039;t as good as it was this year...what happened...i think he lead the leauge in int&#039;s...so believe me...it all starts up front...plus i said in awhole bunch of other posts to spend big on RG,LG and an RT in free agency...rework contracts to recoup money...then through the draft you concentrate all you have on building the deffense...to draft a RB or QB will be a waist of money and not to mention a draftpick...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>jet4life&#8230;it all starts up front&#8230;brady manning and farv wont be able to do anything without their ol protection&#8230;put either 1 of those QBs behind this line of ours and they wont be able to complete a pass just like penn and clemons&#8230;they would be runing for their lives just like our QBs were running for theirs&#8230;when anyone of the above mentioned QBs has gotten pressured throughout a game they throw int&#8217;s like there going out of style&#8230;its been proven true of brady manning and favr&#8230;just look at farv&#8230;last year his line wasn&#8217;t as good as it was this year&#8230;what happened&#8230;i think he lead the leauge in int&#8217;s&#8230;so believe me&#8230;it all starts up front&#8230;plus i said in awhole bunch of other posts to spend big on RG,LG and an RT in free agency&#8230;rework contracts to recoup money&#8230;then through the draft you concentrate all you have on building the deffense&#8230;to draft a RB or QB will be a waist of money and not to mention a draftpick&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: eric from morrisania</title>
		<link>http://www.thejetsblog.com/2008/01/14/chat-hijack-draft-strategy-edition/#comment-66146</link>
		<dc:creator>eric from morrisania</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Jan 2008 04:51:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oher is probably not a top 10 pick.  He&#039;s clearly behind Jake Long, Ryan Clady, and Jeff Otah, and probably at the top of the next tier with Sam Baker, Gosder Cherilus, and Anthony Collins.  He won&#039;t go any higher than the mid-twenties.

Many mocks have him in the high second round, which is probably why it took him so long to officially declare.  If he has a good pro day, best case scenario he can pass Otah for the #3 OL spot off the board, but that still won&#039;t get him any higher than 15 overall.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oher is probably not a top 10 pick.  He&#8217;s clearly behind Jake Long, Ryan Clady, and Jeff Otah, and probably at the top of the next tier with Sam Baker, Gosder Cherilus, and Anthony Collins.  He won&#8217;t go any higher than the mid-twenties.</p>
<p>Many mocks have him in the high second round, which is probably why it took him so long to officially declare.  If he has a good pro day, best case scenario he can pass Otah for the #3 OL spot off the board, but that still won&#8217;t get him any higher than 15 overall.</p>
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		<title>By: seanmac</title>
		<link>http://www.thejetsblog.com/2008/01/14/chat-hijack-draft-strategy-edition/#comment-66122</link>
		<dc:creator>seanmac</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jan 2008 21:37:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Zenlaw- People tend to look at each draft year as if it was self-contained, but they&#039;re not, and front offices are aware of how future draft classes are shaping up as well as the current class.  Ferguson was the top OL in his class, Thomas was the top OL in his class, but the opinion was pretty unanimous that Thomas was a better prospect.  It is random in the sense that you can&#039;t line up when you&#039;re going to be bad to correspond to the talent- some teams are bad in the right year and draft Peyton Manning, and some teams are bad in the wrong year and draft Alex Smith (or Matt Ryan, for that matter).  But it&#039;s not random in the sense that NFL evaluators don&#039;t know what they are doing, because almost all of them would have rated Thomas above Ferguson if they were coming out at the same time.  And all that said, it&#039;s not like the Jets swung and missed with Ferguson.  He&#039;s a good player at a very difficult position to address, and he has room to get better.  He&#039;s not playing up to his draft billing, but that&#039;s why you don&#039;t generally want to get stuck at the top of the draft, because at best guys will play to their paycheck, and often they won&#039;t.  What they&#039;ll never do is outplay their contract.

I would point out that the draft is simply a part of the team construction process, not a miracle elixir.  If last year&#039;s draft was done over, both Revis and Harris would be top fifteen picks- the front office hit the ball out of the park in what was a very shallow draft.  But it all added up to 4-12 and one of the worst defenses in football.  We&#039;ll talk our heads off about all these players for the next few months, but come September, they&#039;ll just be guys on the field.  You put together a good team by consistently picking up good players over a series of years.  Good front offices establish themselves over time with quality player evaluation and a firm philosophy.   This front office is off to a good if not spectacular start- Ferguson, Mangold, Washington, Revis and Harris are all players who you can build around, and Clemens is still a very worthwhile experiment from a skill set to cap number perspective; if he doesn&#039;t pan out, he hasn&#039;t cost the team much, and they won&#039;t be saddled with a lot of dead money moving forward.  We&#039;ll see if it works out- Terry Bradway had a clear plan and wasn&#039;t able to pull it off, so plans aren&#039;t everything.  But I feel comfortable with Tannenbaum and Mangini pulling the trigger based on the way they&#039;ve approached personnel acquisition to this point.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Zenlaw- People tend to look at each draft year as if it was self-contained, but they&#8217;re not, and front offices are aware of how future draft classes are shaping up as well as the current class.  Ferguson was the top OL in his class, Thomas was the top OL in his class, but the opinion was pretty unanimous that Thomas was a better prospect.  It is random in the sense that you can&#8217;t line up when you&#8217;re going to be bad to correspond to the talent- some teams are bad in the right year and draft Peyton Manning, and some teams are bad in the wrong year and draft Alex Smith (or Matt Ryan, for that matter).  But it&#8217;s not random in the sense that NFL evaluators don&#8217;t know what they are doing, because almost all of them would have rated Thomas above Ferguson if they were coming out at the same time.  And all that said, it&#8217;s not like the Jets swung and missed with Ferguson.  He&#8217;s a good player at a very difficult position to address, and he has room to get better.  He&#8217;s not playing up to his draft billing, but that&#8217;s why you don&#8217;t generally want to get stuck at the top of the draft, because at best guys will play to their paycheck, and often they won&#8217;t.  What they&#8217;ll never do is outplay their contract.</p>
<p>I would point out that the draft is simply a part of the team construction process, not a miracle elixir.  If last year&#8217;s draft was done over, both Revis and Harris would be top fifteen picks- the front office hit the ball out of the park in what was a very shallow draft.  But it all added up to 4-12 and one of the worst defenses in football.  We&#8217;ll talk our heads off about all these players for the next few months, but come September, they&#8217;ll just be guys on the field.  You put together a good team by consistently picking up good players over a series of years.  Good front offices establish themselves over time with quality player evaluation and a firm philosophy.   This front office is off to a good if not spectacular start- Ferguson, Mangold, Washington, Revis and Harris are all players who you can build around, and Clemens is still a very worthwhile experiment from a skill set to cap number perspective; if he doesn&#8217;t pan out, he hasn&#8217;t cost the team much, and they won&#8217;t be saddled with a lot of dead money moving forward.  We&#8217;ll see if it works out- Terry Bradway had a clear plan and wasn&#8217;t able to pull it off, so plans aren&#8217;t everything.  But I feel comfortable with Tannenbaum and Mangini pulling the trigger based on the way they&#8217;ve approached personnel acquisition to this point.</p>
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		<title>By: Ilan</title>
		<link>http://www.thejetsblog.com/2008/01/14/chat-hijack-draft-strategy-edition/#comment-66114</link>
		<dc:creator>Ilan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jan 2008 21:17:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oher would be a great bookend to Ferguson. He projects as a LT in the NFL, no? It wouldn&#039;t seem prudent to use another top 10 pick on a RT.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oher would be a great bookend to Ferguson. He projects as a LT in the NFL, no? It wouldn&#8217;t seem prudent to use another top 10 pick on a RT.</p>
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		<title>By: seanmac</title>
		<link>http://www.thejetsblog.com/2008/01/14/chat-hijack-draft-strategy-edition/#comment-66110</link>
		<dc:creator>seanmac</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jan 2008 21:00:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sack, you&#039;ve got to stop flogging this 6&#039;4&quot; strapping manly man stuff.  Please.  Off the top of my head, since 1999, the Super Bowl or Championship games have featured Kurt Warner, Rich Gannon, Kurt Warner, Kordell Stewart, Rich Gannon, Jake Delhomme, Michael Vick, Jake Delhomme, Jake Plummer, Rex Grossman, Drew Brees and now Brett Favre, all of whom are in the 6&#039;2&quot; and under club. In three of the years, one of them was MVP of the league at the time.  The Cowboys went 13-3 with 6&#039;2&quot; Tony Romo, but alas, he was undone by his missing two inches in the divisional round.  If Clemens doesn&#039;t pan out, it&#039;s not going to be because he was too short.  (He wasn&#039;t too short in college to complete a higher percentage of his passes than strapping Matty Ice.)  

That said, I agree with you that San Diego is kind of a good model for the argument that you don&#039;t ignore the quarterback position just because you&#039;ve drafted one recently.  Quarterbacks retain their value even when they are sitting on the bench, which is why a team like Green Bay was consistently able to get value out of guys they drafted who never played for them outside of the preseason.  (San Diego, in contrast, pretty much screwed the pooch when it came to getting value for Brees.)  Matt Schaub was a trade waiting to happen for Atlanta, and while they picked the wrong year to actually move him, they were able to take a third round investment and turn it into a high second round pick.  So the fact that a quarterback can&#039;t play doesn&#039;t mean that he&#039;s a bad pick up, even on the first day.  Just not at the top of the first round, unless he&#039;s had a college career that would justify the selection.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sack, you&#8217;ve got to stop flogging this 6&#8217;4&#8243; strapping manly man stuff.  Please.  Off the top of my head, since 1999, the Super Bowl or Championship games have featured Kurt Warner, Rich Gannon, Kurt Warner, Kordell Stewart, Rich Gannon, Jake Delhomme, Michael Vick, Jake Delhomme, Jake Plummer, Rex Grossman, Drew Brees and now Brett Favre, all of whom are in the 6&#8217;2&#8243; and under club. In three of the years, one of them was MVP of the league at the time.  The Cowboys went 13-3 with 6&#8217;2&#8243; Tony Romo, but alas, he was undone by his missing two inches in the divisional round.  If Clemens doesn&#8217;t pan out, it&#8217;s not going to be because he was too short.  (He wasn&#8217;t too short in college to complete a higher percentage of his passes than strapping Matty Ice.)  </p>
<p>That said, I agree with you that San Diego is kind of a good model for the argument that you don&#8217;t ignore the quarterback position just because you&#8217;ve drafted one recently.  Quarterbacks retain their value even when they are sitting on the bench, which is why a team like Green Bay was consistently able to get value out of guys they drafted who never played for them outside of the preseason.  (San Diego, in contrast, pretty much screwed the pooch when it came to getting value for Brees.)  Matt Schaub was a trade waiting to happen for Atlanta, and while they picked the wrong year to actually move him, they were able to take a third round investment and turn it into a high second round pick.  So the fact that a quarterback can&#8217;t play doesn&#8217;t mean that he&#8217;s a bad pick up, even on the first day.  Just not at the top of the first round, unless he&#8217;s had a college career that would justify the selection.</p>
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		<title>By: seanmac</title>
		<link>http://www.thejetsblog.com/2008/01/14/chat-hijack-draft-strategy-edition/#comment-66102</link>
		<dc:creator>seanmac</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jan 2008 20:09:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>People do realize that Michael Oher is a top 10 pick, not a second rounder, no?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>People do realize that Michael Oher is a top 10 pick, not a second rounder, no?</p>
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		<title>By: ramble914</title>
		<link>http://www.thejetsblog.com/2008/01/14/chat-hijack-draft-strategy-edition/#comment-66094</link>
		<dc:creator>ramble914</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jan 2008 18:13:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Miami is going to pick M. Ryan, who will be a soper star qb, and then we&#039;ll have to contend with brady and ryan in the same division.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Miami is going to pick M. Ryan, who will be a soper star qb, and then we&#8217;ll have to contend with brady and ryan in the same division.</p>
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		<title>By: pound4pound</title>
		<link>http://www.thejetsblog.com/2008/01/14/chat-hijack-draft-strategy-edition/#comment-66093</link>
		<dc:creator>pound4pound</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jan 2008 18:02:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Honestly, I&#039;m running out of good options for who we should take at 6. Everyone says C Long will be gone. The other 5 guys in Scouts Inc&#039;s top 6 are McFadden (won&#039;t drop to us), J Long (ditto), Dorsey and Ellis (poor fits for our system), and Ryan (who might be the best QB in this class, but who I just don&#039;t think is that good compared to Cutler, Leinart and other recent first-rounders). So, the next options are Laurinaitis, Gholston... anyone else? I love D Harvey and K Phillips, but neither is worthy of #6.

Bottom line: either one of the top 6 is going to fall, and someone will want to trade up to our spot to get them... or we&#039;re going to have to be happy with one of the OSU guys.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Honestly, I&#8217;m running out of good options for who we should take at 6. Everyone says C Long will be gone. The other 5 guys in Scouts Inc&#8217;s top 6 are McFadden (won&#8217;t drop to us), J Long (ditto), Dorsey and Ellis (poor fits for our system), and Ryan (who might be the best QB in this class, but who I just don&#8217;t think is that good compared to Cutler, Leinart and other recent first-rounders). So, the next options are Laurinaitis, Gholston&#8230; anyone else? I love D Harvey and K Phillips, but neither is worthy of #6.</p>
<p>Bottom line: either one of the top 6 is going to fall, and someone will want to trade up to our spot to get them&#8230; or we&#8217;re going to have to be happy with one of the OSU guys.</p>
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