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	<title>Comments on: Laveranues Coles Goes Public with Contract Dispute</title>
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		<title>By: Bent</title>
		<link>http://www.thejetsblog.com/2008/02/16/laveranus-coles-goes-public-with-contract-dispute/#comment-69853</link>
		<dc:creator>Bent</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Feb 2008 13:20:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I wouldn&#039;t say anyone has a short memory or is underestimating what Coles did or does for the franchise.  There is just legitimate concern over giving guaranteed money to someone who may be (as Neil says) &quot;one hit away from brain damage&quot;.  I don&#039;t think anyone would have a problem with a big money, long term deal, as long as it is not made up of guaranteed money, so that if he clearly isn&#039;t going to be worth the full sum, he can be released.

By offering to guarantee $11m, they have already done more than enough for him.

In all seriousness, in my opinion, if Coles is at risk of having serious issues with concussions similar to Toon or Chrebet, then he should be thinking about retirement, not encouraged to continue playing for several more years by being offered a long term big money deal.  That would be irresponsible and does the opposite of rewarding him for all he has done in the long run.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wouldn&#8217;t say anyone has a short memory or is underestimating what Coles did or does for the franchise.  There is just legitimate concern over giving guaranteed money to someone who may be (as Neil says) &#8220;one hit away from brain damage&#8221;.  I don&#8217;t think anyone would have a problem with a big money, long term deal, as long as it is not made up of guaranteed money, so that if he clearly isn&#8217;t going to be worth the full sum, he can be released.</p>
<p>By offering to guarantee $11m, they have already done more than enough for him.</p>
<p>In all seriousness, in my opinion, if Coles is at risk of having serious issues with concussions similar to Toon or Chrebet, then he should be thinking about retirement, not encouraged to continue playing for several more years by being offered a long term big money deal.  That would be irresponsible and does the opposite of rewarding him for all he has done in the long run.</p>
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		<title>By: Harvlis</title>
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		<dc:creator>Harvlis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Feb 2008 05:20:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Neil,

I am with you.  You made some very good points.  If a player doesn&#039;t fight for his money, the team will use him to death.  Coles would be a much better reciever, if the last two GM&#039;s didn&#039;t forget about the Offensive Line.  Coles is our best reciever, by far.  If we don&#039;t do the right thing by him, we better have a good draft.  We have a tough enough time scoring with him.  Without him moving the ball up the field -- good luck.  Some fans have very short memories.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Neil,</p>
<p>I am with you.  You made some very good points.  If a player doesn&#8217;t fight for his money, the team will use him to death.  Coles would be a much better reciever, if the last two GM&#8217;s didn&#8217;t forget about the Offensive Line.  Coles is our best reciever, by far.  If we don&#8217;t do the right thing by him, we better have a good draft.  We have a tough enough time scoring with him.  Without him moving the ball up the field &#8212; good luck.  Some fans have very short memories.</p>
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		<title>By: Ilan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ilan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Feb 2008 02:12:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Neil, 

Two years ago I was teaching autistic pre-schoolers for $10.00/hour. Now I know my work was worth a lot more than that. These guys are making MILLIONS. It&#039;s their choice to beat up their bodies. There are plenty of people in the workforce with the same types of skills aside from football working construction and putting their bodies at risk as well for a lot less money.

Yes, Coles has put his body at risk, but that&#039;s his choice and the NFL is a business. It&#039;s not the Jets responsibility to pay Coles for the damage to his body. It is their responsibility to make this team viable in the short and long-term. I don&#039;t think Coles is worth huge #1 WR money for the next 5 years.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Neil, </p>
<p>Two years ago I was teaching autistic pre-schoolers for $10.00/hour. Now I know my work was worth a lot more than that. These guys are making MILLIONS. It&#8217;s their choice to beat up their bodies. There are plenty of people in the workforce with the same types of skills aside from football working construction and putting their bodies at risk as well for a lot less money.</p>
<p>Yes, Coles has put his body at risk, but that&#8217;s his choice and the NFL is a business. It&#8217;s not the Jets responsibility to pay Coles for the damage to his body. It is their responsibility to make this team viable in the short and long-term. I don&#8217;t think Coles is worth huge #1 WR money for the next 5 years.</p>
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		<title>By: neil</title>
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		<dc:creator>neil</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Feb 2008 01:10:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You guys kill me. Football players have a very short career, and should be greedy....we all know the owners are, and make a fortune on the work and sacrifice of the players. 

Its like a fortune 500 company crying about the high commissions it pays its sales staff. Lets examine the careers of 2 former Jets Wayne and Al Toon. Thy ended up with brain damage and miserable lives of fear and pain. 

For what? certainly not enough money was paid them for the human sacrafice they made. They helped fill the stands and made the owners a fatter profit.

Coles is already one concussion away from brain damage...and he got it as a New York Jet going over the middle to make his best friend Chad look better then he was. He got it making tough first downs, and playing hurt.

Who are you to say what he is worth. Whatever the market will pay him is what he is worth, and whatever he can get is still not enough.

Talentless entertainers like Garth Brooks make 60 million a year. Julia Roberts gets 9 million a movie. Lazy, stuffed suit CEO&#039;s make 50 times what the top football guys get.

Go have a look at Earl Campbell the great running back...a long look and see the consequenses of the sport we love to watch. Then sit back and mind your own business when it comes to how much these guys deserve to get paid. How would you like a fotball player to determine what income is fair for YOU?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You guys kill me. Football players have a very short career, and should be greedy&#8230;.we all know the owners are, and make a fortune on the work and sacrifice of the players. </p>
<p>Its like a fortune 500 company crying about the high commissions it pays its sales staff. Lets examine the careers of 2 former Jets Wayne and Al Toon. Thy ended up with brain damage and miserable lives of fear and pain. </p>
<p>For what? certainly not enough money was paid them for the human sacrafice they made. They helped fill the stands and made the owners a fatter profit.</p>
<p>Coles is already one concussion away from brain damage&#8230;and he got it as a New York Jet going over the middle to make his best friend Chad look better then he was. He got it making tough first downs, and playing hurt.</p>
<p>Who are you to say what he is worth. Whatever the market will pay him is what he is worth, and whatever he can get is still not enough.</p>
<p>Talentless entertainers like Garth Brooks make 60 million a year. Julia Roberts gets 9 million a movie. Lazy, stuffed suit CEO&#8217;s make 50 times what the top football guys get.</p>
<p>Go have a look at Earl Campbell the great running back&#8230;a long look and see the consequenses of the sport we love to watch. Then sit back and mind your own business when it comes to how much these guys deserve to get paid. How would you like a fotball player to determine what income is fair for YOU?</p>
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		<title>By: muff</title>
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		<dc:creator>muff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Feb 2008 19:53:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>neil - 

most don&#039;t deny most things you just said, but he also has had draw backs.  like it or not, 2 years $11 mill is enough for everyhting you just described.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>neil &#8211; </p>
<p>most don&#8217;t deny most things you just said, but he also has had draw backs.  like it or not, 2 years $11 mill is enough for everyhting you just described.</p>
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		<title>By: neil</title>
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		<dc:creator>neil</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Feb 2008 19:45:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>OK guys...listen up. His team elected him captain, yet you feel he lacks character and leadership ability. Somehow his team feels differently then you. 

I have followed Coles from his days at FSU through his current days. He has evolved as a man and as a player. He suffered the horrible indignity of being molested by his father as a child, and went public with it several years ago. He now helps others that have suffered the same horrible fate. His public service and charity work are well documented. His to best friends on the team are Chad and Wayne...WHAT DOES THAT TELL YOU?

He stands up to Mangini in the name of his team mates when Mangini overworks his team. He held the locker room together during a miserable season. He played with a severe injury and put his future career on the line. I do not know which LC you know, buthe one I have come to know is rather remarkable.

Curtis is old school and has a different mentality then most. He is the benchmark of character and honor, but LC is cut from the same fabric. If you ask Curtis what he thinks about Coles I am certain he would agree with me.

Lastly, if he had a strong arm Quarterback throw downfield his stats would make him a top 10 receiver on a yearly basis. His routes are crisp, his hands soft and he has deceptive speed. 

Sounds to me Subway like you are a few tokens short of a full fare.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OK guys&#8230;listen up. His team elected him captain, yet you feel he lacks character and leadership ability. Somehow his team feels differently then you. </p>
<p>I have followed Coles from his days at FSU through his current days. He has evolved as a man and as a player. He suffered the horrible indignity of being molested by his father as a child, and went public with it several years ago. He now helps others that have suffered the same horrible fate. His public service and charity work are well documented. His to best friends on the team are Chad and Wayne&#8230;WHAT DOES THAT TELL YOU?</p>
<p>He stands up to Mangini in the name of his team mates when Mangini overworks his team. He held the locker room together during a miserable season. He played with a severe injury and put his future career on the line. I do not know which LC you know, buthe one I have come to know is rather remarkable.</p>
<p>Curtis is old school and has a different mentality then most. He is the benchmark of character and honor, but LC is cut from the same fabric. If you ask Curtis what he thinks about Coles I am certain he would agree with me.</p>
<p>Lastly, if he had a strong arm Quarterback throw downfield his stats would make him a top 10 receiver on a yearly basis. His routes are crisp, his hands soft and he has deceptive speed. </p>
<p>Sounds to me Subway like you are a few tokens short of a full fare.</p>
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		<title>By: muff</title>
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		<dc:creator>muff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Feb 2008 15:15:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>perfectly said by subway.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>perfectly said by subway.</p>
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		<title>By: subwayfare</title>
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		<dc:creator>subwayfare</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Feb 2008 03:48:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry Neil, but to compare L.C. to Curtis Martin is an insult to perhaps the greatest Jet of all time. Did you ever hear Curtis Martin publicly whine about the off-season conditioning program? Did he ever bitch in the press about how difficult training camp was? Criticize the game plan in the paper? Have himself quoted saying, &quot;The team has slapped me in the face,&quot; and in the next breath say he wants to retire as a Jet? What kind of mentoring for the young players is that exactly?  Hell, next to Coles Pete Kendall was a consummate company man. 

The fact is that Coles is, and always has been, the quintessential malcontent. What he gets is never enough and nothing&#039;s ever his fault. Coming out of college it was everyone else&#039;s fault that his shoplifting arrest was being held against him and he dropped to the third round. He swore undying loyalty to the Jets for being the team to finally take a chance on him and then fled to Washington for the money at the first opportunity. 

He is not a good example of a team player, character guy, leader or mentor at all.  What he is is a very good football player (not great, mind  you) who is tough and plays consistently hard. His upside is high enough that it would make sense to pay him well and overlook his cranky, difficult, potentially disruptive attitude as long as he kept it reasonably in check. Chastising the front office in the press in yet another effort to redo his deal while asking for top fifteen money pushes the equation way into the negative. 

I would hope that management learned enough from the Kendall situation to be actively searching for his replacement and hoping some other GM is foolish or masochistic enough to offer something for him in a trade.

My sympathies to Curtis Martin, the very definition of character, for being the victim of such a comparison.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry Neil, but to compare L.C. to Curtis Martin is an insult to perhaps the greatest Jet of all time. Did you ever hear Curtis Martin publicly whine about the off-season conditioning program? Did he ever bitch in the press about how difficult training camp was? Criticize the game plan in the paper? Have himself quoted saying, &#8220;The team has slapped me in the face,&#8221; and in the next breath say he wants to retire as a Jet? What kind of mentoring for the young players is that exactly?  Hell, next to Coles Pete Kendall was a consummate company man. </p>
<p>The fact is that Coles is, and always has been, the quintessential malcontent. What he gets is never enough and nothing&#8217;s ever his fault. Coming out of college it was everyone else&#8217;s fault that his shoplifting arrest was being held against him and he dropped to the third round. He swore undying loyalty to the Jets for being the team to finally take a chance on him and then fled to Washington for the money at the first opportunity. </p>
<p>He is not a good example of a team player, character guy, leader or mentor at all.  What he is is a very good football player (not great, mind  you) who is tough and plays consistently hard. His upside is high enough that it would make sense to pay him well and overlook his cranky, difficult, potentially disruptive attitude as long as he kept it reasonably in check. Chastising the front office in the press in yet another effort to redo his deal while asking for top fifteen money pushes the equation way into the negative. </p>
<p>I would hope that management learned enough from the Kendall situation to be actively searching for his replacement and hoping some other GM is foolish or masochistic enough to offer something for him in a trade.</p>
<p>My sympathies to Curtis Martin, the very definition of character, for being the victim of such a comparison.</p>
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		<title>By: Ilan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ilan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Feb 2008 02:04:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Neil, there are other guys out there who do the same types of things for their teams, but if that&#039;s your criteria for paying a guy what appears to be an outrageous sum then in the long-run you are not going to be successful and will run into the same type of cap purgatory that the Jets did when they had to let Mawae, Ferguson and McKenzie go (the last two especially).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Neil, there are other guys out there who do the same types of things for their teams, but if that&#8217;s your criteria for paying a guy what appears to be an outrageous sum then in the long-run you are not going to be successful and will run into the same type of cap purgatory that the Jets did when they had to let Mawae, Ferguson and McKenzie go (the last two especially).</p>
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		<title>By: Neil</title>
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		<dc:creator>Neil</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Feb 2008 01:59:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lets look at this another way. There certainly are intangable and abstract benefits to having Coles remain happy and productice. Not least of which is the dynamic impact he has on other players ability to step up and perform under adversity. The core values the Jets FO lives for are pesonified by the actions LC takes daily in the face of adversity.

What is it worth to keep him happy? How much better are the Jets as a team by him being there? Are the examples of achievemnt he brings sometimes intangable and not covered by his contract....and what kind of team would the Jets be without him?

The man that LC has evoled into, and what that means in todays game....role model, leader and mentor are priceless. These are things not covered in any contract, but without them there is no team.

We are fans, and love our team. We pay for tickets and Jet merchandise and without us no team can prosper. The front office will have to answer to us if they do LC dirty...and we must respond. LC has suffered by  not having a Quarterback that can get the ball down the field, yet never complains and considers his friendship with Chad to mean more then his production numbers. Look at the selfish receivers out there who would scream and point fingers. Look at Coles fearless and selfless approach to the game...what is that worth?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lets look at this another way. There certainly are intangable and abstract benefits to having Coles remain happy and productice. Not least of which is the dynamic impact he has on other players ability to step up and perform under adversity. The core values the Jets FO lives for are pesonified by the actions LC takes daily in the face of adversity.</p>
<p>What is it worth to keep him happy? How much better are the Jets as a team by him being there? Are the examples of achievemnt he brings sometimes intangable and not covered by his contract&#8230;.and what kind of team would the Jets be without him?</p>
<p>The man that LC has evoled into, and what that means in todays game&#8230;.role model, leader and mentor are priceless. These are things not covered in any contract, but without them there is no team.</p>
<p>We are fans, and love our team. We pay for tickets and Jet merchandise and without us no team can prosper. The front office will have to answer to us if they do LC dirty&#8230;and we must respond. LC has suffered by  not having a Quarterback that can get the ball down the field, yet never complains and considers his friendship with Chad to mean more then his production numbers. Look at the selfish receivers out there who would scream and point fingers. Look at Coles fearless and selfless approach to the game&#8230;what is that worth?</p>
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