Comments on: Free Agency: 11th Hour Deals & Morning Movement http://www.thejetsblog.com/2008/02/28/free-agency-eve-11th-hour-deals/ Ranting and Raving about the Gang Green Sun, 12 Feb 2012 08:20:29 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Chris http://www.thejetsblog.com/2008/02/28/free-agency-eve-11th-hour-deals/#comment-71004 Chris Sat, 01 Mar 2008 16:25:23 +0000 http://www.thejetsblog.com/?p=3528#comment-71004 I heard that Javon Walker was released by Broncos. If don't get Randy Moss (which is highly likely), why not go after Walker. He would provide us with a dynamic receiving corps. Also maybe sign Alge Crumpler and Lorenzo Neal. Crumpler would be a great duo with Chris Baker. And Neal paved the way for Tomlinson to gain 1000 yards rushing lord knows how many times. I think they could potentially be great signings and provide a huge spark for the Jets offense. I heard that Javon Walker was released by Broncos. If don’t get Randy Moss (which is highly likely), why not go after Walker. He would provide us with a dynamic receiving corps. Also maybe sign Alge Crumpler and Lorenzo Neal. Crumpler would be a great duo with Chris Baker. And Neal paved the way for Tomlinson to gain 1000 yards rushing lord knows how many times. I think they could potentially be great signings and provide a huge spark for the Jets offense.

]]> By: JustAGreenGuy http://www.thejetsblog.com/2008/02/28/free-agency-eve-11th-hour-deals/#comment-70835 JustAGreenGuy Fri, 29 Feb 2008 19:31:35 +0000 http://www.thejetsblog.com/?p=3528#comment-70835 I was just curious. I couldn't see it. Sometimes you just need an extra set of eyes. We wont know 4 months anyway. I was just curious. I couldn’t see it. Sometimes you just need an extra set of eyes. We wont know 4 months anyway.

]]> By: Bent http://www.thejetsblog.com/2008/02/28/free-agency-eve-11th-hour-deals/#comment-70778 Bent Fri, 29 Feb 2008 17:03:13 +0000 http://www.thejetsblog.com/?p=3528#comment-70778 There's a number of reasons why that might be so. I'm not saying it IS smarter, just that it COULD BE. Firstly, Jenkins has no experience in the 3-4. Principally, he has never been asked to two gap before. There is more to this than just being over 325 pounds. Carolina fans don't seem to think he is a good fit at nose tackle in a 3-4 and they would probably know better than you or I. (Certainly me, anyway!) Secondly, there are plenty of other guys a similar size to Jenkins who play as 3-4 DEs. Thirdly, If Robertson stays with the team, Jenkins has the height to play DE, whereas Robertson doesn't. Similarly, Robertson is stocky, whereas height can be a disadvantage for a 3-4 nose for leverage reasons. Finally, Jenkins can still command double teams from the end position and Robertson has shown that he can be dominant one-on-one. I believe Robertson is on his way out, but I am not the only person in the world who questions whether Jenkins wouldn't be better at DE. Maybe the Jets don't even know themselves. However, the point somebody else made about Jenkins maybe becoming more suited to a 3-4 nose role as he gets older and less active is a very good one. It's not easy to rank these front lines: Robertson-Jenkins-Coleman Coleman-Jenkins-Shaun Ellis Jenkins-Robertson-Coleman Jenkins-Sedrick Ellis-Coleman Jenkins-Pouha-Coleman I have no idea which of these (or something else) is the plan. There’s a number of reasons why that might be so. I’m not saying it IS smarter, just that it COULD BE.

Firstly, Jenkins has no experience in the 3-4. Principally, he has never been asked to two gap before. There is more to this than just being over 325 pounds. Carolina fans don’t seem to think he is a good fit at nose tackle in a 3-4 and they would probably know better than you or I. (Certainly me, anyway!)

Secondly, there are plenty of other guys a similar size to Jenkins who play as 3-4 DEs.

Thirdly, If Robertson stays with the team, Jenkins has the height to play DE, whereas Robertson doesn’t.

Similarly, Robertson is stocky, whereas height can be a disadvantage for a 3-4 nose for leverage reasons.

Finally, Jenkins can still command double teams from the end position and Robertson has shown that he can be dominant one-on-one.

I believe Robertson is on his way out, but I am not the only person in the world who questions whether Jenkins wouldn’t be better at DE. Maybe the Jets don’t even know themselves. However, the point somebody else made about Jenkins maybe becoming more suited to a 3-4 nose role as he gets older and less active is a very good one.

It’s not easy to rank these front lines:

Robertson-Jenkins-Coleman
Coleman-Jenkins-Shaun Ellis
Jenkins-Robertson-Coleman
Jenkins-Sedrick Ellis-Coleman
Jenkins-Pouha-Coleman

I have no idea which of these (or something else) is the plan.

]]> By: JustAGreenGuy http://www.thejetsblog.com/2008/02/28/free-agency-eve-11th-hour-deals/#comment-70727 JustAGreenGuy Fri, 29 Feb 2008 14:24:39 +0000 http://www.thejetsblog.com/?p=3528#comment-70727 Yeah on the PK trade. Can someone please tell me why putting Jenkins at end is smarter than at tackle? I just don't see it.... at all. Does anybody really believe Robertson is that dominant? I feel like I keep bad mouthing him, but I wont call a duck a swan. Someone just fill me in. Yeah on the PK trade.

Can someone please tell me why putting Jenkins at end is smarter than at tackle? I just don’t see it…. at all. Does anybody really believe Robertson is that dominant? I feel like I keep bad mouthing him, but I wont call a duck a swan. Someone just fill me in.

]]> By: Vbsiena24 http://www.thejetsblog.com/2008/02/28/free-agency-eve-11th-hour-deals/#comment-70726 Vbsiena24 Fri, 29 Feb 2008 14:16:14 +0000 http://www.thejetsblog.com/?p=3528#comment-70726 The PK trade netted us a 4th in 2009 correct? The PK trade netted us a 4th in 2009 correct?

]]> By: pound4pound http://www.thejetsblog.com/2008/02/28/free-agency-eve-11th-hour-deals/#comment-70725 pound4pound Fri, 29 Feb 2008 13:44:53 +0000 http://www.thejetsblog.com/?p=3528#comment-70725 Agreed Bent. I've read/heard multiple scouts say this is the deepest draft in 5+ years in terms of the middle rounds. I'd hate to lose more picks in rounds 2-5 than we gain. I understand New Orleans wanting to give a conditional '09 only so they can ensure Vilma is healthy, but let's at least nab a #5 for this year too. Agreed Bent. I’ve read/heard multiple scouts say this is the deepest draft in 5+ years in terms of the middle rounds. I’d hate to lose more picks in rounds 2-5 than we gain. I understand New Orleans wanting to give a conditional ’09 only so they can ensure Vilma is healthy, but let’s at least nab a #5 for this year too.

]]> By: Bent http://www.thejetsblog.com/2008/02/28/free-agency-eve-11th-hour-deals/#comment-70718 Bent Fri, 29 Feb 2008 12:37:22 +0000 http://www.thejetsblog.com/?p=3528#comment-70718 The equivalent value of our 3rd and our 5th is the 53rd pick in the draft. Don't rule out the possibility that we retain Robertson (and/or draft a replacement?) and play Kris Jenkins at DE. I like him better there. Jenkins contract is up at the end of next season too, so do we extend him, or wait and see how he goes? We are two picks down for 2008 and already one up for 2009 (PK), so I hope Vilma nets us a 2008 pick (or there are more picks to be attained from other trades). The equivalent value of our 3rd and our 5th is the 53rd pick in the draft.

Don’t rule out the possibility that we retain Robertson (and/or draft a replacement?) and play Kris Jenkins at DE. I like him better there.

Jenkins contract is up at the end of next season too, so do we extend him, or wait and see how he goes?

We are two picks down for 2008 and already one up for 2009 (PK), so I hope Vilma nets us a 2008 pick (or there are more picks to be attained from other trades).

]]> By: Jeff http://www.thejetsblog.com/2008/02/28/free-agency-eve-11th-hour-deals/#comment-70717 Jeff Fri, 29 Feb 2008 11:09:53 +0000 http://www.thejetsblog.com/?p=3528#comment-70717 Well I heard that we might get a 2nd or 3rd for Vilma and or a conditional for 2009 Well I heard that we might get a 2nd or 3rd for Vilma and or a conditional for 2009

]]> By: klecko71 http://www.thejetsblog.com/2008/02/28/free-agency-eve-11th-hour-deals/#comment-70715 klecko71 Fri, 29 Feb 2008 10:52:22 +0000 http://www.thejetsblog.com/?p=3528#comment-70715 good morning as well.....1010 WINS has vilma out for a conditional pick in 2009. it better be a high pick when he plays alot...cant just give him away. same report has faneca in for 4yrs/ 32 mil...and jenkins traded to us, no report how much its gonna cost. since u guys feel a 3rd and 5th is ok...i will trust you. the guy can play... good morning as well…..1010 WINS has vilma out for a conditional pick in 2009. it better be a high pick when he plays alot…cant just give him away. same report has faneca in for 4yrs/ 32 mil…and jenkins traded to us, no report how much its gonna cost. since u guys feel a 3rd and 5th is ok…i will trust you. the guy can play…

]]> By: Jay http://www.thejetsblog.com/2008/02/28/free-agency-eve-11th-hour-deals/#comment-70713 Jay Fri, 29 Feb 2008 09:42:17 +0000 http://www.thejetsblog.com/?p=3528#comment-70713 I read about the 3rd and 5th for Jenkins as well...in my opinion its well worth it...especially considering we'll most likely get a draft pick from New Orleans for Vilma. Lets hope they officially announce the Jenkins signing tomorrow afternoon, followed by at least an announced visit for Faneca. I read about the 3rd and 5th for Jenkins as well…in my opinion its well worth it…especially considering we’ll most likely get a draft pick from New Orleans for Vilma. Lets hope they officially announce the Jenkins signing tomorrow afternoon, followed by at least an announced visit for Faneca.

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