Comments on: Jonathan Vilma Trade is Done – Jets Receive Conditional Pick

By: Igs

Igs — Tue, 16 Dec 2008 15:14:15 +0000

Some people are disregarding the fact that the Jets 4-3 rarely had an offense to give them rest. And they often looked bad late in games because of it. They just wore down. Keep building and they become the class of the league. If you look at the best defenses in the league, 3-4 or 4-3, you’ll find one common element, time to gel.

And just from an organizational standpoint, if I spend a 1st round draft picks on players, I’m not changing the system on them.

The Jets waste draft picks. Period. How many players get drafted by the Jets, perform minimally, go elsewhere and become stars. Why is that Aaron Glenn, Santana Moss, James Farrior, John Abraham, etc. excel elsewhere?

Also why draft Gholston and have all these tweener linebackers like Thomas and Pace? Gholston would be great as a 4-3 end, but like Thomas, he’s struggling as a linebacker.

By: P in CO

P in CO — Sat, 01 Mar 2008 05:29:34 +0000

While the rest of the league is realizing the winning model is to stockpile draft picks and develop players (New England, Pittsburgh, and NY Giants) – the Jets do the opposite.

Good thing they’re moving to Jersey. GOOD RIDDANCE!

By: Bent

Bent — Sat, 01 Mar 2008 02:56:03 +0000

Sounds good Harvlis. Wildly optimistic, but good!

Yeah, Big Katt was once a great player, but I’m not sure he is the same guy anymore. He’s a good guy and I hope he can still contribute.

Of course the 3-4 and 4-3 both have merits, but personally I am excited about the flexibility we look set to have next season in terms of sets and personnel.

By: Harvlis

Harvlis — Sat, 01 Mar 2008 02:49:50 +0000

For those of you who bad mouth Shaun Ellis – in 2003 and 2004, he had 12.5 and 11 sacks. Now you are going to say that it was because of Abraham. Well do you think that some of Strahans’ sacks are because of Osi? Of course, your play is always affected by the players around you (see Jonathan Vilma). Ellis has played almost every game, since his rookie year. He has been consistent and has made some of the teams biggest plays, during his time here. You forget, because he has been out of position but, he was a factor and, if used properly, could still do some damage.
I will agree that Bryan Thomas has never blossomed into what we thought he would be. I would have said bye-bye a long time ago but, then again, I would have never drafted him. Gholston would be a very nice replacement, if he drops to six.
I am quite relieved that the Vilma trade turns out to be much better than we thought. Now we just have to get Faneca, Shane Olivea, & Randy Moss in Free Agency and then get Gholston, Branden Albert, and James Hardy in the draft and I can go get my tailgate supplies. Go Jets!

By: Bent

Bent — Sat, 01 Mar 2008 02:12:36 +0000

Not only that but once Ferguson were gone, they were pretty screwed and they couldn’t afford him.

By: subwayfare

subwayfare — Sat, 01 Mar 2008 02:09:50 +0000

As for the 4-3 comments, I think many people are looking back with rose colored glasses. The Jets had one good year in the scheme, recently, and then were promptly faced with the dilemma of having to pay either Ellis or Abraham, a one dimensional player who, nonetheless commanded big FA dollars.

The cap and personnel are more manageable in a 3-4 when it is clear that is the long term course. Adjusting defenses to whatever players one winds up with just leads to huge cap problems. But the more pertinent fact is that Woody Johnson was absolutely dead set on emulating the Patriots organization (minus the cheating, perhaps) when he hired the current management team and is determined to commit long-term. I, for one, a fan for nearly forty years, am encouraged by a commitment to a specific philosophy for consistent, long-term success even if it hurts to let some players that don’t fit the plan go for less than I’d like.

By: Bent

Bent — Sat, 01 Mar 2008 01:52:39 +0000

Of course I have the financials! The saving is negligible as he was only due to be earning $1,1m anyway.

By: Bent

Bent — Sat, 01 Mar 2008 01:51:15 +0000

Newsflash = I just found this…

The Saints reportedly gave up a 2008 draft pick and a conditional 2009 draft pick for Jonathan Vilma.
This makes a lot more sense, although we’re not sure why A) So many stories were proven incorrect Friday and B) there is so much secrecy on the terms of a trade. The deal was originally reported as a conditional 2009 fourth, but the Jets will get a fairer deal. We’ll let you know the exact terms when we know.
Source: Newsday

How do you like me now? Does this (if true) mean that the job offer for me and Bassett is rescinded?

By: The NYC Parking Expert

The NYC Parking Expert — Sat, 01 Mar 2008 01:45:29 +0000

Thanks, Bent. Anyone know how much $ we save by letting JV go?

By: SEAN

SEAN — Sat, 01 Mar 2008 01:44:13 +0000

I SAY JETS FANS START THE HYPE, CALL INTO THE NY STATIONS GET THE MEDIA TALKING…LET OUR VOICES BE HEARD, GIVE CHAD SOME WEAPONS. WHO DID WE HAVE TO THROW IT TO DEEP? COLES IS GREAT BUT LACKS THE SIZE. CHAD CAN GO DEEP, IMAGINE, MOSS, COTCHERY, AND COLES, WITH NEON LEON, JONES, MAYBE MCFADDEN? SOUNDS LIKE A SERIOUS OFFENSE. KEEP THE HYPE GOIN. WE WANT RANDY