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	<title>Comments on: Newsflash &#8211; Vilma Returns Better than Thought?</title>
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		<title>By: Bent</title>
		<link>http://www.thejetsblog.com/2008/02/29/newsflash-vilma-returns-better-than-thought/comment-page-1/#comment-70995</link>
		<dc:creator>Bent</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Mar 2008 15:12:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good post.  I agree with all of it.  Of course we need pass rushing (still).  The best pass rushers on the team might be Marques Murrell and Jason Trusnik and that&#039;s just wrong!

P.S. the CB was Antoine Winfield.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good post.  I agree with all of it.  Of course we need pass rushing (still).  The best pass rushers on the team might be Marques Murrell and Jason Trusnik and that&#8217;s just wrong!</p>
<p>P.S. the CB was Antoine Winfield.</p>
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		<title>By: Freeman24</title>
		<link>http://www.thejetsblog.com/2008/02/29/newsflash-vilma-returns-better-than-thought/comment-page-1/#comment-70991</link>
		<dc:creator>Freeman24</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Mar 2008 14:28:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bent,

Ellis, Thomas and Bowens is not making me forget the Sack Exchange.  That is not the kind of pass rush from the outside that&#039;s going to scare anyone.  Subpar in my opinion.  Assuming the Faneca deal goes through (don&#039;t forget about that Buffalo CB that stiffed us last minute a few years ago - forgetting his name) the remaining priorities in order as far as I&#039;m concerned are:

Pass Rushing OLB 
Right Off Tackle
Pass Rushing DE 
3rd Wide Receiver

I read one post about Javon Walker being a potential target.  That doesn&#039;t sound depending on the money.  They can&#039;t get all of the above in the draft and rookie WRs don&#039;t tend to pay dividends in Year 1.  

Draft a pass rusher and an offensive tackle, sign a WR and a sign a cheaper vet offensive Tackle to backup/compete.  They might have to make due with D Rob at DE if they can&#039;t unload him.  If they do use the pick on another pass rusher.

We need to expose that overrated Offensive Line in Foxboro like the Giants did.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bent,</p>
<p>Ellis, Thomas and Bowens is not making me forget the Sack Exchange.  That is not the kind of pass rush from the outside that&#8217;s going to scare anyone.  Subpar in my opinion.  Assuming the Faneca deal goes through (don&#8217;t forget about that Buffalo CB that stiffed us last minute a few years ago &#8211; forgetting his name) the remaining priorities in order as far as I&#8217;m concerned are:</p>
<p>Pass Rushing OLB<br />
Right Off Tackle<br />
Pass Rushing DE<br />
3rd Wide Receiver</p>
<p>I read one post about Javon Walker being a potential target.  That doesn&#8217;t sound depending on the money.  They can&#8217;t get all of the above in the draft and rookie WRs don&#8217;t tend to pay dividends in Year 1.  </p>
<p>Draft a pass rusher and an offensive tackle, sign a WR and a sign a cheaper vet offensive Tackle to backup/compete.  They might have to make due with D Rob at DE if they can&#8217;t unload him.  If they do use the pick on another pass rusher.</p>
<p>We need to expose that overrated Offensive Line in Foxboro like the Giants did.</p>
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		<title>By: Bassett</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bassett</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Mar 2008 13:47:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I did indeed!  I meant it more in the context of the whole day, and that he had secured Faneca.  So ... genius tag removed until such time he comes through.

Still, the sheer amount of wheeling and dealing is impressive, we&#039;ll get to the net net on the defense later this weekend ... it&#039;s been something we&#039;ve been kicking around in our heads for two days now.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I did indeed!  I meant it more in the context of the whole day, and that he had secured Faneca.  So &#8230; genius tag removed until such time he comes through.</p>
<p>Still, the sheer amount of wheeling and dealing is impressive, we&#8217;ll get to the net net on the defense later this weekend &#8230; it&#8217;s been something we&#8217;ve been kicking around in our heads for two days now.</p>
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		<title>By: Bent</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bent</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Mar 2008 12:58:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bassett did actually say &quot;[provided Faneca stays healthy] Tannenbaum looks like a genius&quot; on the front page though!

Jenkins is arguably better equipped to play the nose than Robertson (also a 4-3 DT), so that&#039;s an upgrade, right? - at a lower cost.  Alternatively, there are lots of guys like Jenkins that play the 3-4 DE position well.

I agree we need pass rushers, but I&#039;m sure the front office is well aware of that and is reportedly pursuing Calvin Pace, as well as having the option of using one of their first two picks on such a player.

To say we&#039;ve no pass rushers, when Ellis, Thomas and Bowens have all had pass rushing success in the past is a bit harsh, although I would agree that none of them covered themselves in glory last year.

If Vilma returns to pre-injury form, we should end up with a 2nd rounder, and his contract was due to be up anyway.  If not, then that&#039;s just bad luck that the injury happened when it did and at least we got something for him.  Under the circumstances, that&#039;s about the best you can expect.  Maybe we should have traded him last year, but hindsight is always 20-20.

I don&#039;t think the job is even half done yet, so it&#039;s way too early to judge one way or the other, but there&#039;s plenty of reasons to be optimistic that the Jets are on the right track.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bassett did actually say &#8220;[provided Faneca stays healthy] Tannenbaum looks like a genius&#8221; on the front page though!</p>
<p>Jenkins is arguably better equipped to play the nose than Robertson (also a 4-3 DT), so that&#8217;s an upgrade, right? &#8211; at a lower cost.  Alternatively, there are lots of guys like Jenkins that play the 3-4 DE position well.</p>
<p>I agree we need pass rushers, but I&#8217;m sure the front office is well aware of that and is reportedly pursuing Calvin Pace, as well as having the option of using one of their first two picks on such a player.</p>
<p>To say we&#8217;ve no pass rushers, when Ellis, Thomas and Bowens have all had pass rushing success in the past is a bit harsh, although I would agree that none of them covered themselves in glory last year.</p>
<p>If Vilma returns to pre-injury form, we should end up with a 2nd rounder, and his contract was due to be up anyway.  If not, then that&#8217;s just bad luck that the injury happened when it did and at least we got something for him.  Under the circumstances, that&#8217;s about the best you can expect.  Maybe we should have traded him last year, but hindsight is always 20-20.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t think the job is even half done yet, so it&#8217;s way too early to judge one way or the other, but there&#8217;s plenty of reasons to be optimistic that the Jets are on the right track.</p>
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		<title>By: davidi</title>
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		<dc:creator>davidi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Mar 2008 12:45:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t think anyone is calling him a genius, but Tannenbaum is playing the hand he is dealt with as best as you can...that is why you have to give him credit. He is taking action, filling holes, and getting some returns with what is available. Nobody is saying he has a Straight Flush, but you know don&#039;t need a straight flush to have a winning hand.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t think anyone is calling him a genius, but Tannenbaum is playing the hand he is dealt with as best as you can&#8230;that is why you have to give him credit. He is taking action, filling holes, and getting some returns with what is available. Nobody is saying he has a Straight Flush, but you know don&#8217;t need a straight flush to have a winning hand.</p>
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		<title>By: Bernie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bernie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Mar 2008 11:35:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ll never understand my fellow Jet fans. Some how everyone thinks Tannenbaum is some genius.... he just traded Vilma when his value was at his absolute lowest (off an injury). Here&#039;s a player just a couple years removed from being a 1st round pick and defensive rookie of the year. He was still one of the few talents on one of the worst defenses in football, and we basically gave him away.

Then there&#039;s Jenkins. He somehow solves our problem at NT? Isn&#039;t this guy a 4-3 DT? Didn&#039;t CArolina&#039;s defense suck last year? What am I missing here?

We still have NOT ONE pass rusher on this team. Not one. And we just gave up Vilma and two picks. Faneca is good for maybe 2 years so clearly we want to win now. Tell me how that&#039;s happening with the defense we currently have.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ll never understand my fellow Jet fans. Some how everyone thinks Tannenbaum is some genius&#8230;. he just traded Vilma when his value was at his absolute lowest (off an injury). Here&#8217;s a player just a couple years removed from being a 1st round pick and defensive rookie of the year. He was still one of the few talents on one of the worst defenses in football, and we basically gave him away.</p>
<p>Then there&#8217;s Jenkins. He somehow solves our problem at NT? Isn&#8217;t this guy a 4-3 DT? Didn&#8217;t CArolina&#8217;s defense suck last year? What am I missing here?</p>
<p>We still have NOT ONE pass rusher on this team. Not one. And we just gave up Vilma and two picks. Faneca is good for maybe 2 years so clearly we want to win now. Tell me how that&#8217;s happening with the defense we currently have.</p>
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		<title>By: dakar</title>
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		<dc:creator>dakar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Mar 2008 05:25:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i dont think so...if vilma starts to put together a real good year like he did for us his 1st 2 years in the 4-3...i would expect NO to sign him before the year is done...i think he will...just my thoughts...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i dont think so&#8230;if vilma starts to put together a real good year like he did for us his 1st 2 years in the 4-3&#8230;i would expect NO to sign him before the year is done&#8230;i think he will&#8230;just my thoughts&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Drack</title>
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		<dc:creator>Drack</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Mar 2008 05:02:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>More often than not, these trades are contingent on the player signing a new/extended contract.  Take Jenkins, for example.

Vilma didn&#039;t sign an extension, and the conditional 2009 2nd or 3rd rounder from the Saints comes only if he does so, according to Rock.

That could still happen, but if Vilma was committed to NO (and the Saints to him), wouldn&#039;t he get an extended deal now? Smells like one-and-done to me. 

Vilma to the Saints for a fourth rounder in 2008 until further notice.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>More often than not, these trades are contingent on the player signing a new/extended contract.  Take Jenkins, for example.</p>
<p>Vilma didn&#8217;t sign an extension, and the conditional 2009 2nd or 3rd rounder from the Saints comes only if he does so, according to Rock.</p>
<p>That could still happen, but if Vilma was committed to NO (and the Saints to him), wouldn&#8217;t he get an extended deal now? Smells like one-and-done to me. </p>
<p>Vilma to the Saints for a fourth rounder in 2008 until further notice.</p>
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		<title>By: dakar</title>
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		<dc:creator>dakar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Mar 2008 04:31:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>b.moore will be at  RG...we most likely pickup a RT from the draft...either 2nd or 3rd round...barton will play next to harris... hopfully we sign c.pace and draft gholston and use thomas/bowens as backups...we already signed tutt...so i dont think we will persue neal or richardson...as for d-rob...Mr.T. said this...

&quot;I know there&#039;s a lot of rumors out there about Dewayne,&quot; Tannenbaum said. &quot;Dewayne&#039;s 26, he&#039;s done a lot of things for us as well. I don&#039;t want to comment on any rumors. But depth on the defensive line is important, there&#039;s nothing imminent, and Dewayne should be here.&quot;

i think if something is gonna happen with d-rob it will happen within this week...and we still have to make rhodes a happy jet soon to...and randle gay is coming for a visit...but i would rather go with justin miller as are CB opposite revis...anyway,just my thoughts...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>b.moore will be at  RG&#8230;we most likely pickup a RT from the draft&#8230;either 2nd or 3rd round&#8230;barton will play next to harris&#8230; hopfully we sign c.pace and draft gholston and use thomas/bowens as backups&#8230;we already signed tutt&#8230;so i dont think we will persue neal or richardson&#8230;as for d-rob&#8230;Mr.T. said this&#8230;</p>
<p>&#8220;I know there&#8217;s a lot of rumors out there about Dewayne,&#8221; Tannenbaum said. &#8220;Dewayne&#8217;s 26, he&#8217;s done a lot of things for us as well. I don&#8217;t want to comment on any rumors. But depth on the defensive line is important, there&#8217;s nothing imminent, and Dewayne should be here.&#8221;</p>
<p>i think if something is gonna happen with d-rob it will happen within this week&#8230;and we still have to make rhodes a happy jet soon to&#8230;and randle gay is coming for a visit&#8230;but i would rather go with justin miller as are CB opposite revis&#8230;anyway,just my thoughts&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: jetsfootball177</title>
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		<dc:creator>jetsfootball177</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Mar 2008 04:09:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I also wouldnt mind going back to a FB and getting Neal or Richardson or a guy via the draft, Hester or Schmidt.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I also wouldnt mind going back to a FB and getting Neal or Richardson or a guy via the draft, Hester or Schmidt.</p>
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