OL Damien Woody Signs With Jets
Posted on March 3rd, 2008 by Bassett
Reports are out that Damien Woody has signed a 5-year, $25 million contract with the Jets with reportedly $11 million in guaranteed money.
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Nice to get yet another All Pro, ever if it was a while ago. The big question I think is how he will react to playing tackle. But I really like the move by the front office.
Do anybody have a good example of an G who has later on moved succesfully to tackle, just to put my doubts at ease?
I cannot believe all of this is going down. All these signings are going to be huge for the Jets in the long run and we haven’t even gotten to the draft yet!
honestly, i think this puts jets in good spot to trade up for jake long or down to mid late first to grab otah or some other mauler RT type. then play woody at RG. (and make brandon moore a very well paid back up)
the good news, though, is that with this and the pace signing, the team can pretty much just draft best player available and not worry about filling holes.
am i the only person that is kind of getting the sense that the FO believes that we have a super bowl caliber QB on this team right now.
i think all these signings point in the direction that either pennington is sticking around or the brain trust sees something in the cloud of dust during clemons time as a starter
Does anyone have an updated list of what draft picks the Jets now have for the draft?
I’m happy you win championships with the O and D lines and they have focused on upgrading. yes they need to Offensive skill players but they are working inward and working the way outward. I’m very impressed so far
OK, I thought the Midwest was the Meth capital of the world. It’s obviously not. That honor would belong to Tannenbaum’s office.
Yes, I like the moves, for the most part. But we just saw the NY Jets go through an overhaul unlike any other in their history.
I just hope bringing in these (mostly) aging players means instant success… because the Jets sure are spending like drunken sailors.
* Just threw up on his computer* I can’t believe all this action, what the hell is going on. Has Tanny slept since the start of FA? Im going to say no. Im nervous about a lot of the moves, personally I thought that Olivea would have been a better pickup by the Jets (younger, more used to the position, possibly cheaper) than woody, and to load up Pacw with all that money – hopefully he plays better than B Thomas did last year. Also Kerry Hollywood Rhodes and L. Coles still need to be taken care of as far as contract sittuations go. If you compare the team that will be on the field next year compared to Herm’s last team its pretty much a complete overhaul (dont know if this is good or bad). I hope these moves dont effect the cap to the point where signing the player chosen 6th (if they keep the pick) will become a monetary issue. This is a crazy spending spree, really hope it pays off.
Oscar that is so unfair. They are damned if they do, damned if they don’t with fans like you.
So what if it is unprecedented in their history. They are trying to make new history for the franchise anyway.
And 30 now is not like 30 of tradition. These guys stay in better shape than most players did only 20 years ago. Age be damned. They have at least 3 or 4 years together and during that time they can be good and make the playoffs with some skill and more good drafts.
I’m tired of all the Cimini clones. Woody doesn’t spend enough, they don’t fix holes in their lines. Then: Woody spends too much and they are going to have to win now. I say let them spend money and try to win if that is what they want to do. It’s not like they are spending like the Knicks.
They, Woody, Tanenbaum and Mangini, are giving the fans a lot to look forward to and proving they will do a lot to win without sacrificing their principles (e.g. Kendall) and without just buying players every year willy-nilly like the Skins. I truly believe (leaning towards saying I know for a fact) Tannenbaum would not be spending money if it wasn’t worth it. Much like I also believe that trading the players away that they did, at whatever price, is something they thought was worth the value in return.
I for one am extremely happy and can’t wait to see what happens in the draft.
im loving it so far…T-bomb is doing a great job…i cant wait to see whoelse they bring in…wether through free agency or the draft…its an exciting time for me at least…jsut my thoughts…
The NFL Today on ESPN is about to review the winners and losers so far in the free agency draft. Should include the Jets!
RK, you need to take off your Gangreen-colored glasses for a minute and look at ALL of what happened in the past 72 hours.
We have signed two very good, but AGING offensive linemen.
We have signed a very large, and good, interior defensive lineman who has battled weight issues and injuries for the majority of his career.
This Pace guy – sounds great. But he has shown exactly ONE SEASON’s worth of play at an elevated level.
You also need to start thinking about how we are going to pay for Coles and Rhodes… is the Robertson trade a done deal yet? I haven’t heard that it is.
I’m as much if not more of a JETS fan than you are. And that gives me every right to be hopeful, but critical and realistic at the same time about all of these moves.
Simple litmus test…do you feel better today or after the season ended? I feel better and better with each signing. He is plugging in the holes with guys that have shown very solid to great NFL production. He is great at managing the cap, so that is the least of my worries, expecially when the press exagerates the numbers with each signing, as their agents like the splash for their clients.
Cousinrk – 1, 2, 4, 4 (cincy), 4 (no), 5 (cincy), 6, 7
Woody played the last 5 games of 2007 at RT and did well, so this will not be an experiment, he has experience.
To be fair, Pace has also only had one year in a system that suits him too. (But they did say the same about BT when they resigned him).
*ducks projectiles*
I think we can all agree that changes needed to be made and the front office has done a good job in at least targeting the positions that needed to be filled. I don’t know all that much about Pace and Woody, but I know that they play the positions we needed to fill so I’m certainly willing to give them a chance the proof their worth.
I don’t think we were nearly as bad as 4-12 nor as good as the 10-6 from two years ago. I think we were a 6-8 win team with that roster and now there is a good chance that we are close to being a 10 win team. I’m willing to see what it all looks like this Fall.
Lastly, these contracts are not bad at all – only the first few years are guaranteed for all of them. One thing Tannenbaum definitely knows how to do is write contracts that aren’t going to completely hamstring this team. I’m feeling pretty good as a Jets fan today.
Ok
who has the calc out?
with the trades of Vilma and D-rob and the additions of Pace, woody,, ahh i’m not naming them all. does anyone know what we actually look like under cap?
Lets not freak out just yet on the spending spree. And believe me thats as much to myself as it is to any of you!
And on another subject, more because I was the kid who always threw rocks at the bee nest then anything else, it looks like McFadden at #6 maybe more a reality then we originally thought. if he’s available that is. i’m thinking the office might take him if he’s available at 6 with all these other signings…maybe 70% chance they do.
Let’s not forget we have some young lineman being groomed to take their places, bender, oldenburg, turner etc. these are good pros who can lead and teach the younger guys. 31 and 30 aren’t exactly ancient in today’s NFL
Well put, RK. Let’s not validate the theory that all the losing has gotten to us and instead do our darndest to appreciate this offseason of aggression.
There’s something to be said for letting the adults mind the math while we enjoy our new gifts.
Seems like our remaining position without a starter is CB, right?
My main beef is that we paid a bunch more for the OL than we would have if we had just re-upped with Mawai, Fabini and Kendall. Were they really that out of line with mngmnt? I can’t argue with aggressively fixing our holes though. This really gives flexibility for the draft.
Simple litmus test answer: of course I feel better NOW. But do all these moves get us a 2008 wildcard playoff game that we lose? And do we see what happened to the KC Chiefs in 2007 happen to us in 2009-2010, with an aged roster and players being dumped left and right?
I hope not.
That said, I will be wearing my dreadlocks Jets hat to my meeting tonight.
My head is spinning so fast from all this, I don’t even know what to think at this point. Like RK said, this is unprecedented and I’m very excited by it all — wow, the draft talk is going to be off the charts!!!
Talk about taking care of bidness!!!
did BaltiJet just pull a Kitna with 10 wins after a 4-12 season?
You also bring up a very good point. we do not know the structure of these contracts. we are only going on the averages of the contracts not the actual scale over the course of the 4-5-6 years.
Oh. “This is by far the funnest Off season ever!!!! Hands Down”
Even with all the signings I still say trade with Dallas, the #6 for their two first rounders, get a good corner and a big WR, the rest of the draft is really for depth, what glaring needs are left? ILB? Saftey?(BTW I actually like Elam so I dont see that as a big deal) McFadden does sound more intriguing every day but what do you do with 3 RB’s?
mbi-
hmmm what to do with three RBs…
Man i really hate those types of problems..
Oscar-
In defense of the moves, 30 (Woody) and 31 (Faneca) aren’t that old by OL standards. Let’s take a look at some Pro Bowl players from this season, on the OL:
Flozell Adams, 32
Walter Jones, 34
Jeff Saturday, 32
Leonard Davis, 29
Steve Hutchinson, 30
Andre Gurode, 29
30-34 isn’t over-the-hill by any means for an offensive lineman. We ought to get a few quality seasons (if not more) out of both, and then we can release them. Those two moves do not concern me at all.
Pace, now, that’s some serious dollars…
The only thing that matters in the long run is success on the field so the wisdom of these moves has yet to be decided. With that said, any Jet fan HAS TO BE HAPPY right now. What the last few days proves is that the management understood the problems they had (and the mistakes they made) and are trying to correct them. It certainly shows that they all viewed last off season as a total failure and didn’t want a repeat. Whether they made the right choices or not will take some time to figure out. Right now, you definitely have to gve them credit for the tremedous effort.
30 for a OL is not 30 for a RB or WR. These guys have the longest carrers of anyone I think. And like alot of you said, now McFadden at 6 is not a waste of a player on a rebuidling team with a weak line. Now McFadden at 6 is the game breaker that makes Clemens better than gives them a weapon. Its great to pick high without a huge need.
Oscarfactor…dude don’t rain on our parade! All I know is at this time last year I was watching NE sign all those FA and was wondering how come we weren’t doing it also. Well now we are, and with proven players. I’m freakin happy. Faneca (31 yo) has not missed a game in his career due to injury, Jenkins played the full season in 2007 and is only 28; Woody played the entire season last year and is 30. These guys will be around for the next 3-4 years, during that time the FO can draft young players and not have to rush them in while grooming them to replace these FA.
I disagree with the “old” comments. Brick and Mangold are 24. Moore is probably a little older and Faneca and Woody are 31 and 30. That’s not “old” by today’s standards. Brick and Mangold and Moore needed solid veterans to help them develop. So if we draft Gs and Ts in the later rounds of the upcoming drafts, theoretically, they will learn from Faneca and Woody and eventually be inserted into the line when Brick and Mangold have already been named to a few Pro bowls and Faneca and Woody retire. Jenkins is what 27? It’s true he has weight issues, but who would pass up $25,000 bonuses for making weight 10 times a year? This team is much improved. I’d love to see an addition at WR and at first I wasn’t too crazy about McFadden, but we could use his potential star power.
One other thing to rememebr about Salary Cap and Tannenbaum. Most reports suggest that the owners will opt out of the CBA this year, meaning without a new deal, 2009 will be an uncapped year. In addition, the players association is taking a very aggressive stance and saying that if the owners opt out, never again will the support a salary cap. My guess is that the brain trust is taking an eductaed risk that if they can manage the cap for this year, they will likely not feel cap implications until some of the younger line players develop, and maybe never. The Jenkins contract seems to suggest that. Now none of this means these guys are going to play up to their potential, but with a grown up running the O-line, and Mangini focusing more on the defensive side of the ball, where he belongs, this looks promising.
Hear hear. what jvsvn said!!!
mbi -
Agree totally with everything you said. Thank you.
At least free agents are coming here. That bodes well for the future, as long as these guys succeed and can stick around.
Spending so much money is always going to make the pessimists amongst us (ie me) nervy and nobody we get is (or will be) a sure thing, otherwise they would never hit the market. However, they went out and got the best guys they could and had the cap in good enough shape that they could afford to do so.
Anyone who complained over underspending in previous years, has to see that it was all building to this.
I can’t see Woody not being a huge upgrade over Cement.
I would take McFadden if hes available at #6, otherwise trade down and look for a CB, DE, or WR…
I had all these ideas of what we could do come draft time, but now thats all out the window. I’d like a CB now, maybe Aqib Talib, however I don’t think he’s worth the #6. I would also like to see a big WR with some speed. I’m just excited to see what happens come draft time.
96 – I hear you, there are worse problems especially when you think back to about a year ago when the jets had leon, cedric houston, and barlow, but I still see it as a little bit of an issue. Howvever Leon is a great special teamer and is still on his first contract making 4th round money – so its not a huge issue. So McFadden or we trade down – as long as we all agree someone e-mail tanny and let him know the plan.
I like all the moves so far. Faneca is 31 but is still one of the top5 guards in this league and has 4-5 more years at this level. Kris Jenkins is among the best DTs in this league and only 28. Woody can play any postion on the line so he adds a starter and great depth he is 30. Pace is 27 and excelled last year when the Cards switched to the 3-4. He has plenty of upside. Hopefully the Jets can make at least one more move in FA by signing Saftey Eugiene Wilson.
Also extremely important is to resign Kerry Rhodes. LC needs just a long-term deal but not more money.
McFadden in the draft and who knows.
I’m just thinking what the defense would do when they see coles and Chotchery lined up, Jones Leon and McFadden in the back field at the same time. then see Leon and McFadden go in motion to the outside. Yeah scheme a defensive play for that one?
ahh one can dream…
Come on people get excited!!!! We just filled our biggest holes in a matter of days!!!!
this reminds me of the old Crazy Eddie commercials!!
When I thought I was out and done with the Jets …they did the unthinkable and just Pulled me in .
Chris Jenkins, Alan Faneca, Damien Woody, Calvin Pace (4 starters in positions of need)
and ( 2 more from the Draft)?
I am back. Congratulations Jets’ Fans.
Fanaca isn’t old….he’s experienced. The Jets need a player of his caliber and experience to anchor the line and provide leadership.
As I indicated under the Pace post, let’s hope Pace works out for us the same way Farrior worked out for the Steelers. It could happen.
I truly can’t remember a more exciting FA period for the Jets than 2008. Look how much we have to talk about.
Also, the Jets beat the competition with regard to coveted FA’s. Several teams wanted Fanaca, but the Jets signed him. Parcells wanted Pace, but the Jets signed him. Jenkins….huge pick up…just what the Jets need to stop the run.
The draft looks more intriguing every day. I’m torn in between drafting McFadden and keeping him or trading him to address our needs. We could get another shut down corner to put alongside Revis and a good wide-receiver. However, I think we could draft McFadden and then get a guy like James Hardy (hopefully) in the Second Round. And if we trade for McFadden, wouldn’t that make Washington expendable. Shouldn’t we trade him for more picks?
THESE SIGNINGS ARE INSANE!!!!!!! love the Crazy Eddie reference 96D
We pick #6, do we 1) take Gholston 2) take McFadden 3) trade pick
trade down…. ideally with cowpokes. grab the best CB and the best WR available.
then Just Win Baby.
“Games are won up front” and the Jets just got a whole lot better on both sides of the ball.
lmoa-Zenlaw
thats a great one liner. I can hear Dangerfield saying that.
thats true for both faneca, Woddy and Jenkins. they all have the perfect balance right now. put some youth behind them over the next three years and we just keep rolling.
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/draft08/columns/story?columnist=clayton_john&id=3274514
i love how clayton doesnt even mention the jets in this article?
you gotta be kidding me!!!
I swear its friggen christmas this week!!!
GO TANGINI!!!!
I think the moves thus far are great – isn’t it fantastic to have some JETS stuff going on in March? The only thing that worries me is Pace – isn’t he very much like BT? What does the Pace signing mean for BT? Is he an incredibly well paid backup or can they use them both?
While McFadden is a great propect (and if he’s there thats who they’ll draft) but I’d trade down and get a CB and a WR. CB has a very deep group of players this year. WR as well.
They’ll use both of them. Pace will replace Hobson at OLB and Barton and Harris are the 2 ILB
Ed L
Seriously. Wheres the love?
I a mean the Vikings signing a FB gets honorable mention but the entire FA for the Jets is an after thought?
BT can move to the other side or maybe mix him in the middle. one thing we have to remember is Mangi and his musical formations…who knows he may play in only 12 snaps and line up differently each time. Yes that means he lines up on Offense once too.
This is how I see the lineup as is
QB- Clemens/Pennington
RB- Jones
RB- Washington
WR- Coles
WR- Cotchery
TE- Baker
LT- D’Brick
LG- Faneca
C- Mangold
RG- ——
RT- Woody
DE- Ellis
DT- Jenkins
DE- ——
OLB- Pace
MLB- Harris
MLB- Barton
OLB- Thomas
CB- Revis
S- Rhodes
S- Elam/Smith
CB- ——–
Picks 1, 2, 4, 4 (CIN), 4 (NO), 5 (CIN), 6, 7
RG, DE, WR and CB are positons of need right now
and we have 8 draft picks
Holy Smokes! I can’t believe all these signings. As a huge JETS fan I’m psyched, especially the offensive line signings but I was listening to the NFL Channel on Sirius and the hosts Tim Ryan and Pat Kirwin think that some of these moves are panick moves due to the Giants winning the super bowl- especially the Woody signing- they feal its a bad deal, they are bringing me down. One good thing was they just interviewed C. Pace and you can hear in the interview that David Harris is one of the top leaders on this team and has alot of influence, Calvin Pace said “he met with D. Harris and David made him feel wanted” and “was one of the main reasons for coming to the Jets.”
All these signings are making the draft real nice!
Brandon Moore is the RG and is consider to be a good Guard in the NFL. the other DE is K. Colemen. Jets paid him 20 mil last offseason and he lead among d-line in tackles. as for the other CB idk, draft maybe.
Trade down and get Albert, Hardy and Cason? Just throwing names out there but I would really like that.
Joe…. I just left those positions blank because those are the weaker positions, I thought Coleman and Moore could be backups, but if they play that is fine also.
I hear you but I like Moore alot as for DE i agree with you completely
Hey Nikolas …
Glad to have you back!!! :D
Is Barton good enough to remain the starter or do they surprise us and draft an ILB? I heard so much talk of his name being floated in the last few years. I guess he does bring some good experience to the LBs.
Please spare yourself the grief and turn off Pat Kirwin and Tim Ryan, they are TERRIBLE. I spent a drive back home from vacation sitting in traffc during the preseason and these 2 tools were on making predictions and telling us how awful the Jets were going to be. I had to turn them off before I had a severe case of road rage. Did it turn out to be an awful season? Yes, but at that point they had no info to backup their predictions. Jets will always be underrated until they win, and then they’ll be overrated from everyone jumping on their bandwagon. Bottom line – don’t listen to the media.
WOW!!!!! I love it. Seems to me like Calvin Pace will – - rightly or wrongly – - be the barometer for whether this offseason was genius or irresponsible.
Over on Jets Central there was a post that mentioned that Pace and Thomas were, on different teams, out of position. That joining the Jets they would return to their natural positions, Pace SOLB and Thomas WOLB. It’s information like that that is reassuring to me.
Earlier I did some research on the scores of last years losses and found that in two games, if a FG had been a TD, we’d have won. In three more games, if we’d have scored one additional TD, we’d have won. In another two games one additional TD would have tied the score. The Jets we’re not that far off last year. This year they should be monsters! They all have OTA’s and training camp together and only the rookies will have to be integrated. This is so much better than last year that it’s incredible. Don’t bring me down!
Wonder what the Jets are gonna do with D-Rob. he is one of the highest paid DTs in the NFL. Profootballtalk.com says the trade to Cincy is off
i still feel justin miller will do a good job at L.corner…we still need pass rushers…so i would draft gholston with the 6th pick…2nd round i would draft WR james hardy if he still around…in the 4th would draft if they r still available DE marcus dixon or kendle langford…RG if still available draft mike mcglynn or kerry brown and with the last 4th draft the best CB available…with the 5th 6th and 7th pick another MLB,O-LINEMEN and a SAFETY or TE…just my thoughts…or we can make trades on draft day…just my thoughts…
ya know….just when i thought i would have a nice relaxing spring/summer mabey chill out, watch the mets, get my blood pressure back to 180/122 (which is normal for a jet fan over 25 years) the jets pull this off…AND NOW I CAN’T WAIT FOR THIS
@$#% SEASON TO START SO THE JETS CAN GO 19-0 BABY!!!!!!!!
J-E-T-S JETS JETS JETS YEAH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
We replaced probably the worst starting LG in the NFL with Alan Freaking Faneca!!! WOW!!! Jets fans are a hard bunch to please!Many OGs can play at an elite level well into their 30s. They often choose to retire, like Will Shields or John Hannah, who both were Pro Bowlers up until the year they retired at 35. I’d take 4 full seasons of Faneca (heck, Mawae is still going strong at 37). I know some think that Faneca took a step back last season, but he is an elite OG with HOF potential. Arguably, only Steve Hutchinson, who is just a year younger, is generally considered to be better than Faneca. I didn’t think the Jets needed to get Faneca, but there’s no denying that he’s now the cornerstone of the OL and a 5-time Pro Bowler should be the leader that Kendall thought he was, but could never be.
Woody is not in Faneca’s class, but it would be hard for me to believe that he’s not better against the pass rush than Clement. Also, his versatility is key, when you’re trying to make the OL a strength, you need guys like Woody, who can step in at any OL position in case of injury and be competent. Also, Woody is another Mangini guy…an ex-Pat who knows what it takes to succeed. Plus, the Jets still have the young guys that are being groomed. Now, the OL has 2 former Pro Bowlers, 2 first round picks and Brandon Moore, who won’t be exposed with better players around him, along with young depth.
The Jenkins and Pace moves address two glaring defensive problem areas. Yes, we have to hope none of these guys are busts, but adding 3 guys who have played at a Pro Bowl level in the past and Pace, who looks like a budding star, are solid and smart decisions.
As for Rhodes and Coles, who are both under contract, they now know that the Jets are willing to spend to win and that UFAs are more than willing to replace them and come to the Jets. Coles’ leverage was that he could pull a “Kendall.” Now, if he does that after all the FO has done, he’d rightly be seen as a “me-first” crybaby. IMO, Coles and Rhodes now have -0- bargaining power and need to say and do the right thing. And, if they do that, then they’ll get paid. These moves were the FO’s perfume after the Kendall debacle.
The Jets still need a bona fide NFL QB, speedy WR, pass-catching TE, RILB, CB…but the Jets’ roster after the draft may have all of these needs filled, except QB, which will become the Jets’ biggest question mark for ‘08.
How I hope the rest of the offseanson goes:
Eugene Wilson at saftey
RESIGN KERRY RHODES,
draft a CB & WR
I wish I shared your confidence in Miller, dak, but I don’t.
i love all of these moves and i believe that the jets have a potential top 5 offensive line, but im wondering when there going to extend kerry rhodes contract?
Justin Miller is not a cornerback. I love J-Mills as a return man, but he’s a liability in the secondary. WR and CB have to be addressed, and then we can focus on improving the pass rush and building depth across the board.
I rarely post here, though I’ve been a reader of the site for years. Is 70+ posts a record here?
Glad to see some enthusiasm around what is normally Gloomsville.
What’s this about the Robertson deal falling through? Is it off or just not confirmed?
I can’t believe this is all happening. Our garbage (Robertson, McCareins) is vanishing before our eyes AND we’re addressing our most glaring needs? With quality players? Before the draft? Speechless…but smiling.
wait till we get 70+ wins over the next 5 years then we’ll really be going nutz!
Joe B- I like Miller as a nickel corner. I think it’s even been mentioned here that the metrics show him as a solid nickel.
it seems no1 believes in miller except for me…i for 1 think he’s a corner and will do good if given the chance…and better than what we had there last year thats for sure…and if not…then i was wrong and some1else will have the job…just my thoughts…
DAMNNNNNNNNNN. Looks like DROB is still a jet…and we lose the 4th and the 5th.
bent –
could miller move to the safety position opposite of rhodes? he is a pretty decent tackler and tons of speed.
don’t worry a/b rhodes, he’s going no place
whats you talkin about ed!
nice to see SACK chime in….he knows his stuff!!! and i agree with bent as well, didnt see alot of skill in justin miller in terms of corner. Dakar seems to think otherwise, which is his democratic right… but those are “just his thoughts” =)
yeah Drob deal broke off right now….so dont know what that means…we would have saved 8 mil? from what i read….but maybe we move him elsewhere, or restructure his deal to keep him.
and now i think we have to take mcfaddon at 6 unless we get blown away by a trade offer. B/c for all of our moves, we still have ZERO talent on the offensive side of the ball that can change games. we are still leaning too hard on a rookie QB….lets give him one homerun threat to go along with the VERY solid talent we have in coles, cotch, baker, TJ, and leon….
g-d i wish the draft were this saturday!!!
I like the idea of Miller at safety, but Wilson proven and that move would take away a Pat and add to the Jets so it hurts them twice as much.
klec…lolol…yeah your right…they are just my thoughts…just like getting a 6′4 345 NT when everybodyelse wanted another miget…now every1 is happy we got C.JENKINS…amazing isn’t it…
We may very well be dealing with the C’boys from a position of strength. If they think we COULD draft DMac because we’ve dealt with all our other problems, they’d have to offer their two firsts to move up. THEN what would you do as the GM? Take the two first or take DMac?
al – I don’t disagree, and perhaps it was too strong to say that he’s a liability in the secondary. More accurately, he’s a liability as an every-down, #2 corner, as is just about every corner on the Jet roster. I don’t want another year of cornerback by committee. I think we need a clear starter alongside Revis, and then the Poteats and Millers can play their roles and contribute while not being asked to do more than they’re able to.
I just hope all this big money floating around doesn’t create a lot of resentment and can you imagine what that #6 pick is going to be asking for??
right back at u dakar….maybe we meet up at the draft party after we take d-mac and debate this more!! =) john clayton on espn just updated the jets as third on the winners list….and according to their graphic the 4 signings, faneca, jenkins, pace, woody = 70 mil guaranteed. remember thats all that matters with these deals.
gonna be interesting now to see what happens with Drob, and i guess we wait to see if we go “cheap” with a cornerback signing. my guess is if we trade out of 6 it nets us a CB and WR…limas sweed maybe?? dude was pretty tough at texas, although i dont know if he is a first rounder, even a late one in the event the deal we do is with the cowgirls….
remember Tangini!!! JERRY JONES IS A NUTJOB!!!! he will want that pick reaaaaaalllll bad if Dmac is there….so 22 and 28 needs to be upgraded to 22, 28 and a 3rd or something.
mcshay mock has dallas taking dmacs partner at arkansas felix jones at 28…got no prob with that!!!
smiley, the no. 6 pick will ask for more thanthe no. 7, and less than the no. 5…that’s the beauty of having picks other than the no. 1.
Fun fact, now the Jets have 4 former 1st round picks on the OL…nice toys for Callahan to play with.
1. The good news is that Tangini assessed the same needs as many of the smart and observant posters in this blog.
2. Other good news is that rather than wait around and hope things would get better, they made a plan and have executed it forcefully.
3. Even better news was the Woody went along and financed the plan, with the cash coming out of his pocket. While it may be all under the cap, a lot of the bonus money is paid now.
OTOH, the guys who made and executed the plan were the same guys with this outstanding FA track record: They signed Anthony Clement (twice as a FA if you can believe it), Trey Teague, Darian Barnes, Kimo Von Do Nothing, Kenyon Coleman, Brad Kassell, Chatham, Dyson, Zach Hilton, Matt McChesny, Tuiasopo, Wade Smith, David Bowens, Tim Dwight, Tony Hollings (and a host of other notables); traded a #4
(everyone thinks a #4 is fine for DRobb) to get Barlow, extended BLT, et. al.
Before we go off half cocked, one has to wonder how confident we can be with these moves given the history of Tangini’s previous success in FA.
And, with the Pats signing Moss (since Gafney was the starter by year’s end) their offense which set league records is intact and so far they only lost one (very key) starter on D.
Did all these moves make us good enough to compete with the Pats and Colts? We had better hope so because we sold our future for the now and now have to pay for these guys whether or not they perform.
harlan
Faneca 21
Jenkins 9
Woody 11
Pace 20
I make that 60, Klecko71!
Harlan,
I don’t see how we sold our future. It looks 2009 will be the last year with a salary cap and we really didn’t give up all that many draft picks, nor young talent. I have faith that Tanni can manage the cap.
well–nikolas turned optimistic but not harlan. 1/2 isn’t bad.
what everyone needs to keep in mind is that all these signings actually allow tangini to have a better draft b/c they cna draft the best player available rather than to fill a need. and we still have 6 draft picks (lost a 3rd and 5th, gained a 4th). so i don’t see how we’ve mortgaged the future.
i for one am feeling a lot better about the season.
H…to be honest the only fa pick up that makes me think twice is pace…alot of money for 1 good year…but c.pace is an upgrade over bt… didnt want to sign bt last year…to me he will always be a bust…just my thoughts…
Somewhere Dan Snyder is amused that the Jets have taken his blueprint for wild card success and playoff failure.
It should be an interesting season. Now if they could only address one thing…..
Who is going to run this defense?
I just wanted to be part of what has to be a record-setting post…I’m #93 and I’m PUMPED!
You asked for this, Harlan! You said we had no excuse not to overspend. Can’t complain now. Fair enough the FA signings under this regime have been patchy so far, but you get what you pay for and this time, the Jets have dug deep to get the top rated guys, instead of what they mainly hoped were hold-the-fort guys.
I agree with you, by the way. We have no choice but to go to war with these guys now, but hey don’t you prefer that to just a bunch of JAGs?
Dan Snyder? Not even close. The Skins went like 24 million over the cap at this stage last year – or was it the year before?
The Jets are still under, without releasing several guys who could free up the money for extending Rhodes maybe.
hey bent….hope ur numbers are right. it was the 6pm sportscenter, and was pretty sure the numbers added to 70 and that mike greenberg said 70 as well….no biggie.
gonna watch the 11pm to see if they show it again. but i am definatley interested in seeing what happens with Drob now…thats 8 million we thought we were getting out of….
and agree with SACK…coles now has to shut his mouth and be the good soldier he has been and claims to be… just play, and i bet if things are going well mid season, he isnt hurt etc…that they extend him and reward him for being a true jet.
this is a pretty crazy post….gotta be a record…
It was 70 until they announced Jenkins only gets 9m guaranteed, not 20m.
Maybe when Pace and Woody’s details come out, they’ll be lower too?
The Jets have plugged most of their holes in the trenches and also got a LB/DE. I don’t know what this means now for the draft because I was expecting them to pick Vernon Gholston.I don’t want Darren Mcfadden because we already have 2 rbs and Thomas Jones will have a much better year with an improved OL. When it’s his time to go we can always pick up a RB in the draft or FA. I know this might be a little off-base for you guys but there are 2 players in this draft that I like a lot and will be available to the Jets at #6. Mike Jenkins (CB from USF) and Malcolm Kelly(WR Oklahoma 6′4″ 217).I urge you guys to look up Malcolm Kelly on youtube. He’s big with great hands and speed.I would love to see him in a Jets uniform.I say trade Coles and Pennington to KC (I’ve heard the rumor and like it) and get their first round pick. Coles is too much of a pain in the butt and I just flat out don’t like Pennington.I like Clemens so I don’t want them drafting a QB early.
FYI – I think the record number of comments for a thread was 106 (a spygate thread). This one looks like it may fall just short. History could have been made!
Wow, Woody gets 100 posts!
Even with signing of Faneca and Woody, if there is opportunity to take a potential starter at RG or RT in the early rounds of the draft who our scouts like, I would take such a player. No longer a need spot, Moore isn’t terrible at RG, but could be upgraded.
I wonder if there is any possibility that Woody was picked up with the intention of playing RG as opposed to the assumed RT position.
Doubt it. Moore is much better than Clement. Maybe move Moore to RT and Woody to Guard but i’m telling you that Moore is much better than people give him credit for.
Yes, I would agree that Clement is gone or at least moved to backup.
P in CO-
Dan Snyder tried to build an entire team with FAs. We’re plugging holes. Dan Snyder also brought in guys HE liked, rather than guys that the FO liked. At that time, he was trying to emulate Jerry Jones with the whole pacing-the-sidelines-during-the-game thing.
No comparison between us and Danny.
Bent, did you say history?!! I’m always happy to do my part . ..
I just cannot get over how proactive this FO has been this week — and I am slightly troubled by it. It’s like they hit the lottery and are out blowing $$$ on new toys. I just hope they squirrel some away for a rainy day (or injury).
niko–there are a lot of RT prospects in this draft. (plus bender) i am thinking along same lines as you.
bent–amazing that spygate could beat this when this post is about real impact for our team and not the other team. what does that say about us jets fans?
With McFadden (1st pick) and Devin Thomas(2nd pick) we become a dominant offense.
With Gholston (1st pick) and Reggie Smith (2nd pick) we become a dominant defense.
Ok, let’s break (or at least tie) the record for most posts! I wouldn’t be unhappy keeping DRob if he will re-structure his contract. Maybe he won’t do that now after almost being traded,but he has to know that he won’t get the kind of money he’s due to get if he’s cut, either. It would suck to cut him and get nothing.
i broke the record!
listening to ESPN radio, michael smith was on. he actually referred to woody as coming into his own as a RT with detroit. someone noted above, but you have have to love his flexibility. if push comes to shove, he could probably play all 5 positions. he was drafted as a center, moved to guard with new england and finished the final 8 or so games as the lions starting RT.
harlen – like anything in life, you get what you pay for. when your spending chump change in free agency, expect half assed returns. we had some dollars to spend, lets see how how 16 games play out before we group what happened this week to past acquisitions.
poteat is a free agent this year
congrats d. rose.
i like the post by nikolas.
i said this earlier and no responded, but do you think the FO would make all these moves if they didn’t think they had a super bowl quality QB?
i’m calling my shot.
Pennington is the week 1 starter
Since the approach to FA enables the Jets to take BPA in the draft, it’ll be interesting to see if that includes a QB in one of the first two rounds…Sack would certainly be happy (though I’d prefer Henne or Flacco to Ryan).
You know, this makes rooting for guys in the first round rather harder knowing that it’s their idea of BPA! It’s going to have to play out to see what they had in mind. That will be a first for Jets fans! They’re very opinionated and vocal about it! This may be the first FO to get respect!
I’ve enjoyed the posts. Very well done, all of you! Thanks, I’ve had a great day! Going to bed and dream with a smile on my face.
If we’re going to daydream about things that aren’t going to happen (like DMC being on board at 6), then how about the NYJ going after Larry Fitz or Roy X. Williams?
As you know, WRs don’t contribute right away, so making a trade for one of these studs would be ideal.
BTW, if DMC isn’t on board at 6, we’ll be hard-pressed to find trade partner for the slot. As things stand, I think we go Gholston or perhaps CB.
gholston all the way…he will be a beast for us…just like harris…just my thoughts…
Coles has what, 2 years left on his contract? That third year is prime time for a new young receiver. If we draft a WR now, they will be hitting their stride after Coles is gone (assuming we let him play out his contract. I think we at least have to look at that option when #36 rolls around now that we don’t really have to address immediate needs per se.
I think we still target defense with the first pick, whether it is the #6 or somewhere else. I’m still not sure we are finished with the MLB spot. We could still draft some young talent there to pair with Harris. Pace takes the pressure off for OLB and if we keep DRob, DE is not as much of a concern either (unless you want to see Ellis gone).
Faneca and Woody’s signing solidifies the OL, so OL is only a need for depth.
I am curious to see what they do with the Pennington/Clemens situation though.
Ian – You note that the previous record was a spygate thread – and ask what does that say about us as fans?
Actually, it reflects quite well, because a lot of it was Pats fans trolling and telling us how badly the Jets suck and that Mangini was a rat and that karma was going to get us. So, most of our input involved us fans defending our team through thick and thin. They got their lesson in karma in the end.
I think one day we will look back and be amazed that Damien Woody holds the record for most commented thread.
heeey bent!!! good morning first of all…. hey, the woody thread has the most comments due to his being the last “signing post” =)
going back to our guaranteed $$ issue, just listened to tannenbaum on mike and mike espn radio…had him live at 730am… vanilla interview so if u missed it u didnt miss anything ground breaking…
but they first said it was 70 mil guaranteed…but golic said the ny post has it at 63 and change…. the jenkins $$ is the issue. so i guess it depends on the weight clauses etc on him.
mike and mike didnt ask tannenbaum about the draft….that should have been their last question. I am sure it would have been a “we’ll see who is avail and make the best choice for the franchise answer” but it still would have been smart to ask.
all is well today……and this site does rock….
by the way the time stamp on “OUR SITE” is an hour off….its 745 am est right now…..=)
the time will catch up in two weeks
I tried to tell Bassett not to bring in Dick Curl to look after our clock management issues.
Bent, you asked so,
I would have preferred a younger OL and a slower approach. But like everyone else, I am very excited by the complete transformation of our team in a week.
But the list of previous Tangini FA mistakes does scare me. Patchy seems too kind to describe the FA efforts (while solid seems to weak to describe the great drafts Tangini have wrought).
If Pace develops as we had hoped BLT would, if Jenkins shores up the middle so the backers do better, if Woody really can put Clement or Moore on the bench and with Faneca open holes for TJ or Leon, this will be great. Imagine if teams of scared of us being in 3rd and 1? That would be a transformation.
But I still think all the optimism needs to be at least be tempered by the fact these evaluations were made by the same guys who decided to keep Vilma and DRobb last year when they were worth more and brought us all those FA who are not going to make anyone’s hall of fame.
harlan
Harlan, you make some good points, but you also have to look at the decision o keep Vilma and DRobb last year in perspective. They might have gotten a little more in return, but were there options to fill those positions? I’m not talking about D. Harris – no one thought he would be as good as he is. And did they have the same money to go out and spend like this year? Hindsight is always 20/20.
Harlan,
Thanks for the response. Fair enough. Hopefully it will be a lot of fun finding out whether their approach works out.