Jets to Work Out Vernon Gholston on Monday
In the wake of his Pro Day, Ohio.com is reporting that Vernon Gholston will be working out for the Jets, and the Dolphins come Monday.
On Friday, Ohio State held their Pro Day and it appears that DE/OLB prospect Vernon Gholston bettered his Combine numbers slightly, marking a 42 inch vertical and a 4.58 40 yard dash time. Gholston said of his 40 time that he slowed slightly on the back half because of a slight hamstring injury, but wanted to better his 4.6 number he put up at the Combine.
60 Responses to Jets to Work Out Vernon Gholston on Monday
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Jeff says:
He is a better option like a Terrell Suggs clone albeit
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The Ed(itor) says:
If McFadden is there at #6, the JETS have to take him. Otherwise I would trade down for additional picks.
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Charlie says:
4.58 for a line backer isnt that really slow
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jetsfootball177 says:
4.58 for a OLB at 270 is fast, borderline very fast. I believe the Jets have to take Gholston if he is there at 6.
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Matt says:
Anyone know what Terrell Suggs’ numbers were at the combine? Maybe get a comparison going?
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Ed L says:
i wouldnt touch mcfadden….he is to skinny…..we have an elusive back in leon…..and if i rememeber correctly mcfadden fumbled the ball about 24 times in college….and he is only a junior….the running game was broken last year cuz we had no offensive line…..now we have a pro bowl fullback and a much improved line…if TJ can run over a 1000 yards with that horrible line then wat can he do with this one?
also i think people forget defense wins championships if Gholston is gone and mcfadden is there i would trade for pick and try and get a corner like cromartie and get a deep threat WR
and idc how good adrian peterson is or was…wat did he do for the vikes? were they in the playoffs? no they went .500
and where is reggie bush rite now? dont hear much about him and there was more hype for him then mcdaddy…..i will be at the draft this year and i really hope i dont here is name being called wen it comes to the 6th pick
and again i would really hate to see gholston in a NE uniform cuz belicheat will develop him into a pro bowler
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billvv says:
Any talk of “I’d trade down” MUST be written “I’d like to trade down IF I could find a willing partner.”
I think the FO will play it very close to the vest, tempting the Cowboys to offer that trade. If they did, I’d trade down too! Cincinnatti would not be interested in trading down, so they’re out. I don’t think there is any other team with the need like the Cowboys.
I sure like our position at six, though.
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Juan says:
i believe suggs ran a 4.89 at the combine i remember there being a big hub-bub about his 40 time at the combine. he ran a faster time at Arizona st.
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Doctor K says:
Gholston is the safe pick, hands down. He’s Mangini prototype: smart, versatile, hard-working and a team oriented guy. That being said, McFAdden offers you an instant gratification pick: sexy name and highlights with echoes of Reggie Bush and Adrian Peterson dancing in your head and all the hype that comes with it. Make no mistake he would offer a face for the franchise and a big SPLASH that the Jets have not seen since Curtis Martin.
However if you look at his body type and the kind of runs he has had, I see “injury risk” all over him. While he may provide a few games where he would be lights out and dominate, my feeling is that we would get maybe 7 or 8 of thos egames in a 16 game season. The rest would be sitting out with an injury to his lower body from the punishing hits LBs and DTs would afflict on him. Didn’t Adrian Peterson have a season like that last year? And didn’t Reggie Bush also have a similar year as well?
I am not saying we shouldn’t pick him, obviously the FO will decide what to do at 6, but I would highly doubt his impact would be as good LONG TERM as it would be with a defensive pick like Gholston. -
seanmac says:
Long and Gholston are completely different types of players. Gholston would be strictly an edge rusher- he’d get used the way San Diego uses Merriman. Long would be more like an Adalius Thoms- you can send him after the passer, but you can move him all over the front, put him down on the line, line him up inside, etc, etc.
And as I pointed out elsewhere, as good as Vernon Gholston’s numbers are, Bryan Thomas’ were as good or better up and down the board. So in effect, we already have Vernon Gholston on the roster.
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dakar says:
since mangini is a deffensive minded coach maybe he will take gholston…i hope he does…just my thoughts…
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Liam says:
There is a guy out of Michigan who is going to be available in the middle rounds that has all the markings of developing into a phenomonal edge rushing 3-4 OLB: Shawn Crable. Crable is lean at 6-5 245, but he can add bulk to that frame. He ran a 4.67 at the combine and is exceptionally quick and long at the combine- a very impressive wingspan. This past season, he had 28.5 tackles for losses – that is not a typo.
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Bent says: If we did take Gholston, who actually thinks he would win the starting job over Thomas? I don’t. He should prove to be the better player in the long run (so may well prove to be the right pick), but he’s not going to step in and immediately play at an all-pro level.
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Re Crable- meant to say quick around the edge
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vbsiena24 says:
Why not Bent? Thomas disappeared most games and did nothing to make me think he should be a starter in the NFL at OLB.
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Bent says:
As an ex-teammate of David Harris and with Jim Herrmann having been the DC at Michigan when he was recruited there, I would imagine we have plenty of information on Crable. He’s certainly a Mangini-type of guy.
No relation to Bob, apparently.
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thomas 1st has to win his job back from bowens…who took over near the end of last season…and was playing better than thomas was…at least thats what i remember…just my thoughts…
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Bent says:
I agree. He was awful last year and even worse in 2005, but that doesn’t mean that the light is going to come on so quickly for VG that he can instantly play better than BT, who – as much of a disappointment as he was – is still an experienced veteran with familiarity of the scheme.
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smithsherman says:
I hope that we do draft Gholston…and a top rookie corner as well.
THE IDEA TO DRAFT MCFADDEN…WHEN WE HAVE NEEDS ON THE DEFENSE…
doesn’t make sense to me…at all.WE CAN ONLY BE SUCCESSFUL IN THIS LEAGUE IF A QUARTERBACK OPPOSING US HAS NO UNMOLESTED 3 SECOND SPURTS OF CONCENTRATION.
It’s not realistic to expect to expect Mr Pace to do that alone every game …all game long.
Further…What would happen if Mr Pace is hurt and out for 6 games ?.?…
that would leave us without pressure AGAIN!IN SPITE OF THE FABULOUS EFFORTS BY TANGINI TO GET THE RIGHT FREE AGENTS…
I DO NOT BELIEVE THAT DRAFTING MR.GHOLSTON IS…
AN ALTERNATIVE.
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Sean says:
Tangini is not looking for a “face of the franchise” player. They are building this organization as a Team where no single player is more important than another. That is why guys like TJ and Harris are the leaders of the JETS. Selfless players.
I would start Gholston on day 1. BT played at UAB not Ohio State and was not going up against and making plays against LTs like Jake Long.
Forget Chris Long, he came out and said that he is better suited for the 4-3.
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Actually, BLT faced about as many NFL-caliber tackles as Gholston did. He took Alex Barron apart. He’s just doesn’t have the shiny new car smell that Vernon Gholston has. People should remember just how slow an elite athlete can look when he doesn’t have football instincts. Chris Long is a much better football player than Vernon Gholston.
Anyway, guys who we’ve shown interest in:
PLAYERS
OT:G.CHERLIS-BC 6-7 315
OT:H.BENEDICTH-NEW 6-5 320
OT:B.RICHARDSON-MRY 6-6 331
OG:E.YOUNG-TEN 6-3 335
2008 INTERVIEWS 7 MAR 08
OL:C.NICKS-NEB 6-5 345
OL:M.MCGLYNN-PIT 6-4 310OG:O.COUSINS-UTEP 6-4 302
OG:C.RACHEL-USC 6-4 310
OG:M.ALFRED-E.WAS 6-3 305
TE:K.DAVIS-MST 6-6 259
TE:F.DAVIS-USC 6-3 249
TE:M.RUCKER-MIZ 6-5 250TE:G.BARNIDGE-LOU 6-5 250
WR:J.HARDY-IND 6-6 220
WR:M.URRITIA-LOU 6-6 235
WR:E.DOUCET-LSU 6-0 211
WR:L.SWEED-TEX 6-4 210WR:D.AVERY-HOU 5-11 186
QB:J.FLACCO-DEL 6-6 236
RB:C.JOHNSON-EC 5-10 195
RB:M.FORTE-TUL 6-1 225RB:T.CHOICE-GT 5-10 215
RB:D.SAVAGE-OKS 5-8 187
RB:C.WASHINGTON-USC 6-0 215
DT:A.RUBIN-IWS 6-3 325
DT:S.ELLIS-USC 6-1 310DT:D.MOORE-MRY 6-4 310
DT:R.BRYANT-TAM 6-5 325
DL:M.DIXON-HAMP 6-4 285
DE:J.JONES-EMICH 6-5 272
DE:D.ROBERTSON-GT 6-4 250LB:C.AVRIL-PUR 6-3 250
LB:P.WHEELER-GT 6-2 245LB:D.CONNOR-PSU 6-3 240
LB:E.BALDWIM-MST 6-2 265
LB:T.BROWN-MIS 6-3 240
CB:M.JENKINS-SFLA 5-10 197
CB:C.GODFREY-IW 6-0 208CB:D.R-CROMARTIE-TENS 6-1 185
CB:D.TRIBBLE-BC 5-9 190
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Seanmac: are you saying that BT is a better player than Gholston? Chris Long has a never ending motor but I highly doubt that he is as athletic as Gholston.
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Keeping these guys fresh is vital in the fourth quarter and rotating them insures that. That requires depth at the four LB positions. I’d be happy to add VG to the current mix.
But I’d be thrilled if they got a CB there too. That’s a position we don’t have adequate but not good depth. There are two guys at the top of the list of CBs that would be very good choices.
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Bent says:
D Robertson? Nooooo…
(Kidding).
I read the comments from Long, but they wouldn’t dissaude me from taking him one bit.
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Bent says:
Chris Long IS a better football player and while his straight line speed is only about 0.1 less, he actually ran the short shuttle in a faster time. So he isn’t as far behind athletically as you would think – and in every other area, he is off the charts.
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I wonder if Long’s insistence that he’s a 4-3 end rather than a 3-4 one might be because that’s a higher “impact” (read: higher sack) position, which as we all know, ultimately means a bigger payday. Just a thought.
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as for gholston…if he doesn’t start i think he’ll become a full time starter by midseason…give or take a few games…
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Seanmac, get your facts straight.
Alex Barron was a freshman in BLT’s senior year (and Barron didn’t start a single game his freshman year). BLT never went against Barron; unless Barron came in and subbed during that game. In any event, BLT had one sack for negative one yard against FSU. I wouldn’t calling that “taking apart” whoever he went up against. A sack for negative one yard (by a DE) more often than not is a coverage sack. -
What I’m saying is that people should have some perspective as to what Vernon Gholston’s numbers actually mean. Late in the college football season, Gholston was seen as a mid to late first round talent. Now he’s a threat to go in the top three. The only things that have happened are that a lot of people watched the Super Bowl (and evidently not the national championship game) and Gholston blew up the combine as he was expected to. I find that problematic. Every year we see people throw out their mock drafts and post-draft grades where every team addressed this or that need with the guy they took, and then three years later it turns out that half of the guys couldn’t play. Maybe Gholston will turn out to be a stud and maybe he won’t, but he strikes me as a significantly riskier pick than Long, and honestly, he strikes me a significantly riskier pick than McFadden, who actually did dominate at the college level and for several years at that.
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ramble914 says:
Seanmac,
I’ll tell you one number that really means something…22 sacks in 2 years at OSU, thats what Gholston brings. I agree with the others, McDaddy dosen’t have the body to run between the tackles, and Washington is more than adequate as a change of pace back. Draft Gholston!
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Nikolas says:
The Giants proved that you must have a strong draft in all rounds:
Gholston seems like Tarzan but he could ( and I say could ) play like Jane.
Here is, as of now, my draft wish list (assuming that we sign the Colts TE)Draft wish list: (These players or better)
1. Darren McFadden RB (round 1st)
2. Carl Nicks OT (round 2nd)
3. Antwan Bolden CB (round 4th)
4. Jonathan Goff ILB (round 4th)
5. Brian Johnston DE (round 6th)
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Ramble,
Mike Mamula rang up 17 sacks his senior season at BC. Really, it doesn’t mean anything.
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BORBOR says:
Mcfadden is gonna be the obvious choice at number 6, but if they dont take mcfadden we will hear a bunch of booos, my favorite is the distraction of chatman and musa that the jets are trying to use
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I could see a scenario where another team trades up with say the Raiders or the Dolphins to take Mcfadden, and i hope the Jets dont compensate for that and trade up as well…I think yes if you can take Mcfadden, but thomas jones and leon washington can run behind this line for considerable yardage and i think if we are gonna compete with the patriots or even the bills at this point we need a pass rush at the point of attack and Gholston can sure bring that. He had better numbers at the combine then ware, urlacker and merriman. I mean i know that its just combine but hes had a good career thus far. Rome wasnt built in a day no matter how much gauranteed money is put in to it.
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SackDance99 says:
Run DMc ran for over 4,500 yards in just 3 years in the SEC. It’s inconceivable that he never ran up the middle. As for being an “injury risk,” he was never injured at Arkansas playing against some of the best college defensive players. Also, Eric D**kerson was 6-3, 220 lbs, with the same frame and skinny legs, to go with sprinter’s speed. He only became a HOF’er and ran for over 2,100 yards in an NFL season. DMc dominated at the collegiate level and single-handedly destroyed the champion LSU Tigers. He and Gholston are just not comparable as prospects. And, the Jets have significantly improved the defense with Jenkins, Pace added to Revis and Harris. Where are the offensive playmakers? Isn’t it time for one? Somebody that opposing defensive coordinators have to gameplan for? Run DMc and his 4.3 forty speed would do that and I hope I can see Faneca pull and DMc follow him and cut to the outside this season. Watch the film, in the open field, he cannot be caught.
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Bent says:
Sure, he ran up the middle a lot. With his burst, he hits the hole with speed and regularly picked up chunks of yardage.
As much as the injury risk concerns me as a pessimist, he’s always been more durable than Peterson.
And you’re right, you can’t say Erik D**kerson, but I can!
“Erik Dickerson!”
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Bent says:
Actually, the LSU game you reference is a great example. I think he had 200 yards and they included a 73 yard TD, which you’ve probably all seen on the highlights and a 16 yard TD on a QB draw out of the gimmicky Wildhog formation, but other than that, his longest run was 12 yards and he consistently picked up five or six yards at a time, with most of his yards in the first half gained between the tackles, so the idea that he can’t pick up the tough yards is a bit of a myth, because he did it against supposedly the best college football has to offer.
However, he also fumbled three times (twice on the first two kickoffs). On the plus side, he did throw a TD pass.
For comparison’s sake, Felix Jones broke 30 and 18 yard runs to the outside and picked up 32 on a cutback, but didn’t carry the ball nearly as much.
Peyton Hillis, the FB, also had a 65 yard TD run right up the middle and caught two TD passes, so saying McFadden took them apart single handed is a slight stretch!
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Matt in Virginia says:
FWIW, I’m reading the interest in the backup RBs as an indication that they are planning on taking McFadden and cutting Leon loose.
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No way they just cut Leon, the guy is a legitimate offensive weapon. At the very least they could trade him for maybe a 3 or 4 round pick.
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seanmac (and others), I don’t really understand the premise that scouts thought Gholston was a mid-first round pick 10 weeks ago, and now they think he’s top 6, therefore there’s something wrong with him. I remember seeing him at around #10 or 11 in Scouts Inc’s first post-season ranking, but that also assumed that guys like Laurinaitis, Maualuga and others would enter the draft. When they didn’t, Gholston naturally rose higher. So did Clady, McKelvin, and a lot of other top 25 prospects. And yes, Gholston received a little addl bump because he performed well at the combine, but he was expected to do well there, and I suspect that assumption was already baked into him being considered worthy of top 10. For him to have elevated after the combine speaks well of him exceeding expectations.
I don’t know what there is to not like about VG. He came to OSU raw because he spent HS doing more bodybuilding and wrestling than football. He played his sophomore year just bull-rushing everyone in sight (showing raw power but not much else), and still attained second-team all-Big Ten. Then he spent an off-season learning swim technique, double moves, and a pure outside rush, and parlayed all of that into an All-American season. Then he tested very well at the combines, and did nothing in his interviews to hurt himself. His coaches and OSU alumni who are in the NFL now say that he has a great work ethic. What exactly is the downside here? And how in the heck does his profile look anything like Bryan Thomas, who dominated at a joke of a program in a joke of a conference?
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why would you BOO if you dont like the pick…so if they pick gholston insted of DMC fans would BOO gholston insted of welcoming him in with a cheer…thats being stupid,dumd and retarded…my point is…whoever the jets pick is an improvement to the team…and we as fans should stand by the pick regardless of who we pick…just my thoughts…
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I misspoke there ramble914- didn’t mean to imply that he would simply be cut from the team, just that there would be a parting of ways.
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Then you’ve been missing many of the drafts! Jets fans are notorious for booing! Last year they were very impressed with Revis and really got behind that pick, so maybe they’re better informed this year too! Might as well watch on TV if you’re not personally involved in expressing your feelings there!
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bill..i know that…i watch the draft every year…what i should have said is i never understood the booing…from any fan…
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The way it is looking the team is looking for a franchise player. I wouldnt mind McFadden or Gholston. Seriously when game day comes who is the opposing team worried about? Squib the kick to Leon? Watchout for TJ he can break a long one. Watch out for Clemens he is a sharp and accurate passer?
You can always pick up solid defensive players in later rounds. Just look at the Colts. They lose starting defensive players all the time! Yet to be successful u have to I mean you HAVE to have a consistent or powerful offense with a franchise QB! Right now we dont have one. Look at the Ravens great D no O, and for the past decade they have been looking for a QB.
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Alex says:
We could see the Jets go with McFadden or possibly Matt Ryan. I think these two might have a slight adavantage over Gholston given who we have recently signed and the FO’s backing of BT. It would be over redundat to draft Gholston, but given there anything goes attitude, it is possible, I guess. Setting up a workout with Ryan would be more interesting though. If Ryan falls to six, you have some automatic trade partners. The Ravens come to mind, drop two spots and pick up (I think it would be a third rounder) to go to 8. Eight would then be a better position (value wise) to take the top CB (if he makes it past the Patriots). Then you have an extra draft pick and a CB to pair up with Revis.
Jake Long would be a great pick he if he were there to, Woody could move inside and we would have the best line in the NFL.Also, I posted it else where, but I think the FO should check into trading Coles and D-ROb to Arizona for Fitzgerald. Now that would be huge!
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ian says:
i can see the valid comparisons between gholston and mike mamula, but i can also see valid comparisons between gholston and shawne merriman.
also, mcfadden may be the superior talent as a player, but i don’t think having an elite RB is necessary or even that important for team success–all they need is a RB and O-line that churns out first downs and short yardage conversions, and TJ can do that just fine. if you look at the last 10 superbowl winners, there were really only three teams with great RB’s in their prime, the Broncos in 1999, Rams in 2000, and Ravens in 2001. since then, teams have been winning the superbowl wiht just very good but not great RB’s or good RB platoons.
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James in TN says:
As an avid College football viewer, I know that Gholstons numbers are inflated because: 1) The Ohio State schedules pushovers in their non conference schedule like Youngstown State, Akron…etc 2) Aside from Michigan , who lost to APPY STATE, they play in a very weak conference. Also, The Ohio State gets killed by the SEC in the last 2 BCS championship games. If VG is such a difference maker , how come they can’t win one of those. I had never heard of him until mock drafts started coming out. DMacDaddy however played in the SEC where each week you have no let down because it is the best conf. in the nation in football. I just hope we do our homework before we pick. Give me a player who excels playing the best over one who plays creampuffs.
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You mean creampuffs like the team that took Florida out behind the woodshed?
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James in OH, er, TN, if you think OSU played pushovers in their non-conf (mind you, they played at Washington too), you must have loved Arkansas’ non-conf schedule – Troy, North Texas, Chattanooga, and Florida Intl. DMC scored 8 of his 16 TD’s in those 4 games; does that mean he’s a chump too?
Yes, OSU got creamed in two straight title games. They also went 23-3 the past two years, and 8-2 against ranked teams. You sure you want to hold his team’s performance against Gholston?
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Chris says:
I’m very intrigued about the whole Coles and D-Rob for Fitzgerald trade…but doesn’t AZ play in a 3-4 defense meaning that D-Rob wouldn’t be a good fit. Someone tell me where I can find that post.
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Bent says:
Michigan were actually better than most people think, which is great, because it enabled me to win some money by betting on them to beat Florida outright. OSU were impressive in holding Mike Hart to 44 yards on 18 carries (when he had over 100 in every other game).
Offensively, Michigan were a high quality test for a guy like Gholston and he did well against them. Just because Michigan’s defense couldn’t stop the spread offense all year, that doesn’t make Gholston’s achievements against Jake Long any less impressive.
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Bent says:
Chris, check the “Denver CB interested in the Jets” thread for relevant comments.
Yes, they do play 3-4, as we all know Calvin Pace flourished when they switched to that scheme last season.
I don’t think this is a rumour (sic), just a suggestion one of our posters made.
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HOZ THE JET says:
WE HAVE TO TAKE RUN DMC IF HE IS AVALIABLE AT 6TH THOMAS JONES IS 31 OR 32 HE OUR RB OF THE FUTURE THE SAME WAY LARRY JOHNSON WAITED IN THE WING BEHIND PREIST HOLMES AND IF THE JETS WAS SHOPPING JONES THEY WILL FIND A TRADING PARTNER A LOT FASTER THAN D.ROB
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Bent says:
For the heck of it, I watched back the OSU-Michigan game this afternoon, with an eye on Gholston the whole time. As we are all aware, Gholston had three sacks (including a rare one against Jake Long) and that was the point at which it became apparent he would declare early. As we are also aware, there is some debate over whether or not Michigan is a “creampuff”, but it seems fair to analyse this game as one of Gholston’s tougher tests since (a) he faced Long, a bona fide NFL starter, (b) Michigan did beat Florida, so were perhaps better than some people though and (c) if Michigan did suck, it was due to their defense, not their offense.
However, the devil is in the detail:
Gholston was a terror all afternoon, but was actually lined up on the left about 80% of the time, where he had a favourable (sic) match-up. He beat RT Steve Schilling several times, twice for sacks and as a result, Michigan often doubled him (and even tripled him on one occasion). He didn’t get anywhere near to beating the double at all, but drawing it is half the battle.
On the few occasions he lined up opposite Long, Long basically owned him, but then Gholston did finally beat him for that famed sack, getting Long off balance with a quick first step and going the long way around him to tackle the QB (who held onto the ball a beat too long) from behind. After that play, they didn’t face off again (sadly, because it would have been interesting to see what happened).
Far from looking like a raw prospect, Gholston was using speed, power and technique to beat Schilling, who simply couldn’t handle him. It wasn’t the same move over and over though, he would beat him and overpower him outside on one series and then force him upfield and make an inside move on the next. He also had a decent swim move and went for the bull rush up the middle too. On the whole, he did a great job of varying up his pass rushing style.
What else did he do other than rush the passer? Not much, actually, although two plays stood out. One where he stood his ground on the edge and fought off the block to stuff a run and another where he dropped into coverage instead of rushing the passer, which confused the QB, who double pumped as he threw to the outside and was almost intercepted.
In conclusion, it was a great performance, but he was largely taking advantage of a mismatch. If it wasn’t for the late play against Long, I might have been left doubting if he had it in him to beat NFL level competition (and to add fuel to that fire, my notes indicate that in the LSU game, he had two QB pressures, but not much else).
My opinion stands – he has great potential, but don’t expect him to dominate right off the bat.
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Jonathan says:
we signed chatman. seems like the f.o. isn’t leaving room for dmc.
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Thats because dmc nor Gholston will not be on the board at # 6.
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Russ Lande on Gholston’s pro day:
NFL personnel arrived at the Ohio State Pro Day excited about how DE Vernon Gholston would work out. He no doubt looks the part: very muscular and defined. Gholston impressed many when he ran his 40 on field turf instead of Ohio State’s notoriously fast track, timing a 4.63 and a 4.65. Then jumped a 37-38 inch vertical; anyone who reports he jumped 42 inches has bad sources as the testing unit was slightly broken during his jump. Once on the field, though, Gholston was not nearly as impressive. He is so muscle-bound and big that he struggled to bend knees and sink hips, which hindered his ability to change directions in drills. Gholston was not the only one to work out. OT Kirk Barton ran a good 40 on the fast track (in the 4.98 range depending on the scout). However, he was not impressive in drills and did not make anyone think he is a better athlete than he showed during games.
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Dal says:
JamesinTN… you do realize that he: 1) Got the only sack of the last two years on consensus top 5 pick Jake Long, 2) Managed 7 sacks against the 2 best teams OSU played in the regular season (Michigan and Penn State), and 3) On top of being a physical freak the guy is as humble as they come.
After the Super Bowl last year I wouldn’t be shocked to see a team try to jump in to the top 5 to get Gholston. The Giants showed the world the blueprint to beating the Pats (and the Cowboys and Packers), now others will try to imitate.
i think Gholston would be a better option that Long in the 3-4 D