Buzz: Are the Jets and Broncos Back At the Table?
Apparently, NFL Radio’s Solomon Wilcotts is reporting that the Jets and Broncos are back around the negotiation table, working “feverishly” to try and hammer out a deal for Dewayne Robertson.
If this is the case, a move like this would be a great boon for the Jets. They’ve already found Robertson’s replacement, will likely pick up a draft pick or two with the move and will be sliding enough money off the books to still make some minor signings, lock down the rookies and re-sign a player or two.
Hat tip to cbiscuit for noting this in the comments.
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31 Responses to Buzz: Are the Jets and Broncos Back At the Table?
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Pat says:
Could the Jets be interested in Denver’s CB Domonique Foxworth?
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Steve says:
this would be the best thing that could happen….D-Rob needs to go to help us gather picks…if D-Rob gets traded and agrees to a new deal with Denver it would be the biggest contribution of his Jets career….but lets look at what will most likely happen, D-Rob will not agree to a new contract with the Broncos and will screw the Jets one last time before they cut him and then he will end up siging with the Bengals or the Broncos anyway to screw with the Jets one more time before moving on to a new city and new team
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Foxworth, draft picks, the backup QB, crap any backup they’ll take anything just to get that cap number off the books
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SackDance99 says:
At this point, clearing D-Rob for cap purposes is more important than the picks.
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exactly but no team will trade a player for D-Rob unless he is another D-Rob type player…..who the Jets should not try and acquire
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seanmac says:
The Broncos were set to send Dominique Foxworth and a 5th to Detroit for Shaun Rogers, as I recall. Foxworth is a nice player- primarily a nickel back, bet still better than any corner on the roster other than Revis- and he should still be on his rookie deal, so he’s cheap. Looking at the alternatives (i.e. Ty Law), I’d prefer Foxwoth and a pick to two picks. In any event, the cap relief is the primary benefit we’d see.
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JP says:
I’m slightly concerned about the old baseball adage “sometimes the best trades are the ones you don’t make”…wondering whether D-Rob could really turn it on as an end rather than the nose…
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I believe Foxworth is now a restricted free agent so if he were included in a trade he would serve out the one year tender….assuming he does not sign an offer sheet from yet another team….or he would sign a new contract
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3-4 D-Ends are much like 3-4 NTs in that they have to be tall and hard to move….They are used more to defend the run then to apply pressure to the QB but against the pass being tall helps to take away passing lanes for the QB so D-Rob would be the “same old story same old song and dance” ….he’s just not big enough
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Nikolas says:
If the deal is Foxworth and a 5th rounder then the deal is bad!!!!
Keep D-Rob, screw the cap. Now everybody is a capologist!! Give us a break guys!! D-Rob is too good for such kind of deals!! -
just get rid of him and for god sakes use the money to re-sign Kerry Rhodes
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subwayfare says:
Don’t underestimate the value of a good nickel back when you play the multi-receiver set Pats twice a year.
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I agree that you’ve gotta move drob, but foxworth and a 5th does seem pretty light to me. Gotta get at least a 4th rounder and foxworth or a 3rd and a 6th.
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sec108 says:
Unfortunately for the Jets beggars can’t be choosers, everyone (Bengals, Lions, Broncos) knows that the jets will cut D-Rob in June if they can’t trade him, so their leverage in this situation isn’t much. The only reason someone makes a deal now instead of waiting is to shore up a need area before the draft and to avoid competing for his services on the open market. Talent wise D-Rob should definitely command more, but the situation dictates the terms here, and the Jets would be lucky to get a 4th at this point.
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Matt Hinrichs says:
If we could get Foxworth and a late (5th or 6th) pick, it would be nice to clear the salary cap a little bit since all of this binging we have been doing for the past 2 weeks, as far as free agents are concerned.
I’m not making Foxworth out to be Night Train Lane, but watching him play reminded me of a somewhat taller version of Ray Mickens, as a very capable nickel back.
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Bent says: We get the cap relief whether we cut him or trade him and something is better than nothing. Foxworth was a third round pick and has been solid, much better than (for example) Justin Miller (ignoring kick returning), so don’t assume he is just some scrub. Him and a 5th is pretty much equivalent to what the Bengals turned down.
I would expect the Jets to offer Foxworth a contract, but as stated they could let him play out the year and become a UFA at the end of the season.
I still say Robertson is too short for DE and that if they retained him they would have been better off with Jenkins at DE. I think that ship has sailed though and a modest return is probably the best we can hope for.
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Neil says:
I always thought building through the draft, and selecting players in free agency who had some tread left on their tires was smart. I take exception to plugging short term needs with expensive, old, sometimes overweight, sometimes untested at their new position, and having them both suck up cap space, and anger existing players…like KR and LC to be pretty stupid. It is like fixing a gushing wound with a very expensive band aide rather then doing the necessary surgery
If the Jets drafted properly they wouldn’t be stuck with DRob in the first place. They did it again with D’Brick…porus swiss cheese that he is. Maybe we should stay away from players who have a first name starting with D.
We gave up Cutler to get D’Brick…bad move. We have no quarterback…Chad manages the game well…but last time I checked he had no arm….defenders were jumping his routes and he was unable to stretch the field. Kellen can’t read defenses, and is wildly inaccurate with his throws…please stop blaming the line for bad quarterback play…yes they did not get the job done, but I saw many plays where they did and the QB did not.
The Jets have positioned themselves to be broke and unable to sign top skill players in the draft. They are a team with no offensive weapons…nobody fears the Jets.Yes, we have upgraded certain positions…but at what price
No QB, no pure pass rusher, no deep threat….8 and 8 maybe at best.
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Harvlis says:
Neil, Pretty harsh synopsis. I doubt that Faneca will disappoint. When the media tells me that Woody will play tackle, I doubt it. It makes no sense. We would have a strong interior line with Woody and Faneca surrounding Mangold. D-Rob was out of position due to Mangini. He could be a good DT. D’Brick is young and had nobody to his right. They used to call Superbowl Tackle Winston Hill “Holding Hill”. He became an All-Pro. QB will be a big questionmark. I agree, we have no game-breakers. If we pick up McFadden (or one of the top five backs) and a big WR in this draft — we should have a well balanced team. As a long time Jet fan, I totally understand the reasons for your pessimism but, the FO is trying. Now we have to wait and see if the pieces fit. Be positive.
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dan says:
no offensive weapons??? leon washington?? jerricho cotchery isn’t so bad? and with the a top ten pick you can draft a offensive weapon at wr or rb remember this team isnt far removed from a 10-6 season… with a good draft and the expectation that most of our signings willl work out this team can make the playoffs next year.. their schedule isnt that tough and if they figure out the qb situation ( go with chad to start the year) things will be much better
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If we’re to stop blaming the line for poor quarterback play – a sentiment I don’t entirely disagree with – then can we also stop blaming Mangini, or anyone else for Dewayne Robertson’s, shortcomings? This guy is a very average, workmanlike player, never approaching a level of play that warranted his draft position or salary. The popular mythology is that he’s too small for nose tackle and, if put back at DT, would thrive again. Again? Like when?
A guy once played for the Jets, a 6th round draft choice no less, who was in a similar situation when the team switched to a 3-4. At 6’3″ and 265 pounds he was much too small for the position. So all he did was get 7.5 sacks, led the team in tackles, forced 5 fumbles and made the Pro Bowl. Again. Just like had at DE and DT, before.
Where have you gone Joe K.?
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Q-Mac says:
D-Rob for Foxworth and a forth and fifth rounder! He’s no good to us at this point, You dont want a player on the roster with an attitude because he was almost traded and his spot got taken! Save the money, Get a CB we can use, and a draft pick or two!!
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Subway, Dewayne was a rookie, when he was played at DT for part of a season. Following that he was made the NT by Mangini. NT in a 3-4 has completely different responsibilities then DT in a 4-3. D-Rob is not built for NT but has the ability to be a good DT. You will see it either with the Jets or with someone else but, you will see it.
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Dewayne did play most of his first three years at DT 2003-2005. Wrong info, sorry, but I believe he was coming into his own, when they moved his position.
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Harvlis- Why didn’t anyone tell Joe Klecko how different NT was in a 3-4 compared to DT and DE in 4-3? Thank God they didn’t or he may not have dominated they way he did, 45 pounds lighter than D. Robertson.
I think Roberston will be fine as a 4-3 DT for someone else, assuming his knee and desire hold up. That’s it – fine. I just get exhausted by everyone inflating his value, “we should get a 1st rounder!” for a player who has never demonstrated that level of ability. I hope he does tear it up for someone else. I wish him well, seems like a nice guy. But he’s never done it here and I wouldn’t bet 11 million a season that he’ll start to.
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cbiscuit says:
Note to Neil – 30 (Woody) & 31 (Faneca) years of age for offensive linemen is not old, especially if they are brought in to school the younger guys on the line. The others – Calvin Pace (27) and Kris Jenkins (28) – could be considered to be in their prime.
As for Cutler vs DBrick, we could have drafted Brett Favre and he would not have cut it without an O-Line. I agree we need weapons, but the FO plan IS to build via the draft and to start in the trenches. However, with failed experiments on the OL, and too many holes to fill solely through the draft, I can’t blame them for being aggressive when talent was available in FA. We did spend a lot, but stuctured the contracts smartly and received pro bowl talent in return. No guarantees, but, after these moves, we now have flexibility to go out and get some weapons come draft day. If anything, Tangini should be criticized for letting Kendall walk and not being able to ‘coach up’ some of the lesser talent on the OL.
Final point re: griping in the locker room. Guys are always gonna grumble a) when they’re losing, and b) when someone else gets paid – I don’t care if it’s for free agents or guys already on the roster. If you need an example, check A. Boldin after Fitz just cashed in. Coles should wake up – a 4-12 record demands that changes be made. He should be thankful that he has help coming – especially on the OL – and start acting like a leader instead of Ocho Cinquo Jr. -
Bent says:
In 2005, Dewayne had to effectively play out of position as a 4-3 NT too, because instead of Jason Ferguson, he had the lightweight “Tank” Reed or Lance Legree on his shoulder.
In 2003, he was a rookie and in 2004 he arguably could have been a probowler. No, he isn’t Warren Sapp (or Joe Klecko), but the guy has been solid, all things considered. He was drafted too high and paid too much, but there are worse players drafted higher and paid more, too.
Over the last five years he has been one of the most productive tacklers in the NFL amongst defensive tackles, despite being out of position for three of them. And his attitude has always been good, playing through the broken hand and knee issues. There are plenty of reasons for there to be a market for him.
And D’Brickashaw Ferguson has been inconsistent, but performed at close to a Pro Bowl level for a stretch last season, despite having no support whatsoever from his right hand man. As he naturally adds weight with age, he should hopefully flourish.
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Bent, I couldn’t have said it better. Thank you. Fans look at situations from only one perspective. They believe everything the media says, as gospel. There will be plenty of questionmarks, this year but, D’Brickshaw should play much better w/ Faneca on his wing and, although he costs way too much, if D-Rob plays along side Jenkins (on occasion), I am sure he will be a force.
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I happen to be one of the minority supporters of Woody J. and the FO but if they kept Dewayne Robertson at ELEVEN MILLION DOLLARS to play part-time beside Jenkins in situational 4-3 fronts that would finally change. It won’t, by the way, because that is not ever going to happen.
People can speculate all they want about how well Robertson will do once he is finally given the exact, precise, hand-picked, tailor fit he requires to be “a force.”(God, I hope Denver’s doing that right now) But until he proves it, that’s all it will be: speculation. At least Kris Jenkins – and even the ne’r do well Shaun Rogers, who I’d also have taken – have already proven they can dominate, albeit sporadically.
Like I said, nothing against D-Rob but he hit the lottery with the deal he got and the fans should send him warmly on his way for whatever can be gotten and be happy to see the FO spread that money around in a more efficient way towards the winner I think they are building. It’s true that Joe Klecko’s don’t come along very often but let’s at least not pretend they do.
BTW, I like D’Brick. He’s still growing and developing and even as is, he’s a much more solid player than people give him credit for. A little more bulk and work on his run-blocking will elevate him into a top five tackle.
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Bent says:
The Klecko comparison is a very interesting one, because obviously in those days the average size of a player was a lot less. You would get 260 pound hall of fame tackles in those days.
In 1986, Klecko was only 12 pound lighter than the heaviest guy on the Jets roster, so in terms of his size relative to those around him he was probably an equivalent size to Robertson, if not bigger.
Again, Klecko is one of a kind, but in those days, 300 pounders were extremely rare. William Perry was only 308 in 1986.
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Agreed, Joe K.’s size wasn’t so disproportionate to others but what’s so impressive about him was his success no matter where you put him. He was still not ideal size for a 3-4 NT even back then but that, nor his ugly 40 time, seemed to impede him. He probably could have led the league in punting if he had to.
This would be HUGE. Let’s hope and pray Mike Shanahan is putting together a deal for D-Rob in exchange for a couple of picks!