Comments on: The Minute I Can’t Get Back from PK http://www.thejetsblog.com/2008/03/24/the-minute-i-cant-get-back-from-pk/ Ranting and Raving about the Gang Green Sun, 12 Feb 2012 08:20:29 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: pound4pound http://www.thejetsblog.com/2008/03/24/the-minute-i-cant-get-back-from-pk/#comment-75220 pound4pound Tue, 25 Mar 2008 16:09:46 +0000 http://www.thejetsblog.com/?p=3744#comment-75220 This is part of the reason I wasn't crazy about the Woody pickup. He's an average RT, and was a below-average RG. I felt like we could've filled the RT spot just as adequately in the middle rounds of the draft like most successful offensive teams have done. (Nick Kaczur was a 3rd rd pick, Shane Olivea was 7th rd, Ryan Diem was 4th rd.) That would've saved us millions that we could apply to WR, CB, or LB. PS - For everyone who assumes Long would be an upgrade over D'Brick, I haven't seen one scout so far who has Jake graded higher than Brick was in the 2006 draft. Give Brick a break - he played next to the worst guard in football last year, and still did a good job against speed rushers. Yes, he has to improve in the run game, but he's still only 24, growing into his frame, and now has a future HOF'er next to him. Give the other 31 teams a choice of Brick or Jake and I think you'd find almost every one would take Brick. This is part of the reason I wasn’t crazy about the Woody pickup. He’s an average RT, and was a below-average RG. I felt like we could’ve filled the RT spot just as adequately in the middle rounds of the draft like most successful offensive teams have done. (Nick Kaczur was a 3rd rd pick, Shane Olivea was 7th rd, Ryan Diem was 4th rd.) That would’ve saved us millions that we could apply to WR, CB, or LB.

PS – For everyone who assumes Long would be an upgrade over D’Brick, I haven’t seen one scout so far who has Jake graded higher than Brick was in the 2006 draft. Give Brick a break – he played next to the worst guard in football last year, and still did a good job against speed rushers. Yes, he has to improve in the run game, but he’s still only 24, growing into his frame, and now has a future HOF’er next to him. Give the other 31 teams a choice of Brick or Jake and I think you’d find almost every one would take Brick.

]]> By: SackDance99 http://www.thejetsblog.com/2008/03/24/the-minute-i-cant-get-back-from-pk/#comment-75215 SackDance99 Tue, 25 Mar 2008 15:57:41 +0000 http://www.thejetsblog.com/?p=3744#comment-75215 Sorry, I meant "undrafted free agents" many of which have become productive NFL offensive linemen, like pro-bowler Kris Dielman from the Chargers. Sorry, I meant “undrafted free agents” many of which have become productive NFL offensive linemen, like pro-bowler Kris Dielman from the Chargers.

]]> By: SackDance99 http://www.thejetsblog.com/2008/03/24/the-minute-i-cant-get-back-from-pk/#comment-75212 SackDance99 Tue, 25 Mar 2008 15:54:52 +0000 http://www.thejetsblog.com/?p=3744#comment-75212 ian, Woody was signed as to play OG by Detroit, lost his starting job and then took over the RT spot. 18andOne, it's not the money for the 6th pick, it's the money sunk into one part of the team. With Long, the Jets would be spending more than $100 million on the OL. There are other areas the Jets need and the NFL has a salary cap. So, the higher percentage of the cap devoted to the OL, the less there is to spend on other needed areas, including QB. Harlan, you get the voodoo doll for your comments. Taking Long to be, initially, a back up RT, or even a starting RT, means that the Jets are just wasting millions on a back up offensive lineman, whether it's Long, Moore or Woody. Also, where did the Jets have the most success running last season? Off of Moore on the right side. He may not be an elite OG, but he's above-average and will only look better with the multi-million dollar free agents around him. Last point, not drafting Long in the first round does not mean the Jets should not plan to replace Faneca and Woody, but there is a day 2 to the draft (and unsigned free agents), and that's where a team can get real value for positions like OG and OT. Taking Jake Long would be worse than taking Dave Cadigan and Mike Haight. It would be one of the Jets' biggest draft blunders of all time. ian, Woody was signed as to play OG by Detroit, lost his starting job and then took over the RT spot. 18andOne, it’s not the money for the 6th pick, it’s the money sunk into one part of the team. With Long, the Jets would be spending more than $100 million on the OL. There are other areas the Jets need and the NFL has a salary cap. So, the higher percentage of the cap devoted to the OL, the less there is to spend on other needed areas, including QB.

Harlan, you get the voodoo doll for your comments. Taking Long to be, initially, a back up RT, or even a starting RT, means that the Jets are just wasting millions on a back up offensive lineman, whether it’s Long, Moore or Woody. Also, where did the Jets have the most success running last season? Off of Moore on the right side. He may not be an elite OG, but he’s above-average and will only look better with the multi-million dollar free agents around him. Last point, not drafting Long in the first round does not mean the Jets should not plan to replace Faneca and Woody, but there is a day 2 to the draft (and unsigned free agents), and that’s where a team can get real value for positions like OG and OT.
Taking Jake Long would be worse than taking Dave Cadigan and Mike Haight. It would be one of the Jets’ biggest draft blunders of all time.

]]> By: ian http://www.thejetsblog.com/2008/03/24/the-minute-i-cant-get-back-from-pk/#comment-75201 ian Tue, 25 Mar 2008 15:19:40 +0000 http://www.thejetsblog.com/?p=3744#comment-75201 sackdance--woody didn't move from RG to RT because he failed at RG, he was moved to RT becuase george foster failed at RT. the lions had picked up foster from denver and tried to put a zone blocking, lightweight RT in mike mart's scheme that prefers big lineman who can form a static pocket. when foster started to fall apart, they moved woody over to his RT spot. not exactly failing at RG. here is a quote from a recent detroit free press article on drafting o-lineman: "FOSTER IMPROVING: The Lions think right tackle George Foster might be better than he was last year – when he struggled so badly he was benched multiple times and lost his job – basically because they will ask him to do less." http://www.freep.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080324/SPORTS01/80324057 sackdance–woody didn’t move from RG to RT because he failed at RG, he was moved to RT becuase george foster failed at RT. the lions had picked up foster from denver and tried to put a zone blocking, lightweight RT in mike mart’s scheme that prefers big lineman who can form a static pocket. when foster started to fall apart, they moved woody over to his RT spot. not exactly failing at RG.

here is a quote from a recent detroit free press article on drafting o-lineman: “FOSTER IMPROVING: The Lions think right tackle George Foster might be better than he was last year – when he struggled so badly he was benched multiple times and lost his job – basically because they will ask him to do less.”

http://www.freep.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080324/SPORTS01/80324057

]]> By: Harlan Lachman http://www.thejetsblog.com/2008/03/24/the-minute-i-cant-get-back-from-pk/#comment-75183 Harlan Lachman Tue, 25 Mar 2008 13:43:14 +0000 http://www.thejetsblog.com/?p=3744#comment-75183 Sack, I cannot allow your praise of Moore to go uncommented on. Moore was certainly better than Clement, Clarke, Bender, Wade, and possibly Brick. But that is because our OL was among the worst in football. We made 3-1 a challenging play (though not for opposing defenses). Third and 1. Did you focus on line play this past year. Moore would not play for probably any other team in the league. He whiffed on both running and passing blocks. There is a reason he is paid so little. He s-cks!. Jake Long won't drop, but if he did, we should thank god and laugh and take him. Harlan Sack, I cannot allow your praise of Moore to go uncommented on. Moore was certainly better than Clement, Clarke, Bender, Wade, and possibly Brick. But that is because our OL was among the worst in football. We made 3-1 a challenging play (though not for opposing defenses). Third and 1.

Did you focus on line play this past year. Moore would not play for probably any other team in the league. He whiffed on both running and passing blocks. There is a reason he is paid so little. He s-cks!.

Jake Long won’t drop, but if he did, we should thank god and laugh and take him.

Harlan

]]> By: Alex http://www.thejetsblog.com/2008/03/24/the-minute-i-cant-get-back-from-pk/#comment-75160 Alex Tue, 25 Mar 2008 04:52:58 +0000 http://www.thejetsblog.com/?p=3744#comment-75160 Maybe PK and SI think we will convert Jake, just like the Eagles want to convert Klecko to Full Back. How about Long lining up in the slot (there is the big target receiver) or splitting carries with Jones. Can't you just see Long just barreling down the field, ball tucked away, running over people, a Jerome Bettis/bus image, except without a second and or third gear. You got to think outside of the box and give PK and SI the benefit of the doubt. Oh, Jake Long... the pass rushing OLB, he blocked him college, he has to know all the secrets to getting through the blocks at the NFL level. Solid analysts over there. Maybe PK and SI think we will convert Jake, just like the Eagles want to convert
Klecko to Full Back.

How about Long lining up in the slot (there is the big target receiver) or splitting carries with Jones. Can’t you just see Long just barreling down the field, ball tucked away, running over people, a Jerome Bettis/bus image, except without a second and or third gear.

You got to think outside of the box and give PK and SI the benefit of the doubt.

Oh, Jake Long… the pass rushing OLB, he blocked him college, he has to know all the secrets to getting through the blocks at the NFL level. Solid analysts over there.

]]> By: zenlaw http://www.thejetsblog.com/2008/03/24/the-minute-i-cant-get-back-from-pk/#comment-75152 zenlaw Tue, 25 Mar 2008 03:17:06 +0000 http://www.thejetsblog.com/?p=3744#comment-75152 I predict it's Dorsey who falls. Teams may be concerned about the injury risk and take a pass on Dorsey. No chance Long lasts past KC. I predict it’s Dorsey who falls. Teams may be concerned about the injury risk and take a pass on Dorsey.

No chance Long lasts past KC.

]]> By: cbiscuit http://www.thejetsblog.com/2008/03/24/the-minute-i-cant-get-back-from-pk/#comment-75151 cbiscuit Tue, 25 Mar 2008 03:16:06 +0000 http://www.thejetsblog.com/?p=3744#comment-75151 Agree with 18-1. The key is to talk in depth to Jake Long, Gholston, DMac, Ryan and anyone else who may be available at #6. Our strategy is to go BPA and be flexible come draft day. If we get a phone call, we can move down and draft for need. If not, we have to be ready to pull the trigger on any of these guys. BTW - we could also go DL (Sed Ellis) even though we added Jenkins in FA. My 2 cents. Agree with 18-1. The key is to talk in depth to Jake Long, Gholston, DMac, Ryan and anyone else who may be available at #6. Our strategy is to go BPA and be flexible come draft day. If we get a phone call, we can move down and draft for need. If not, we have to be ready to pull the trigger on any of these guys. BTW – we could also go DL (Sed Ellis) even though we added Jenkins in FA. My 2 cents.

]]> By: ian http://www.thejetsblog.com/2008/03/24/the-minute-i-cant-get-back-from-pk/#comment-75148 ian Tue, 25 Mar 2008 02:27:27 +0000 http://www.thejetsblog.com/?p=3744#comment-75148 if j.long were somehow available, i would be all for picking him. he certainly would be a better long term investment in the running game than mcfadden, as OT's can play for 10+ yrs while RB's are generally limited to 6 or 7 productive seasons. if d'brick shapes up, the three of them would give us a great o-line for a long (sorry) time. but the real problem with king's analysis is the rams, a 4-3 team, taking gholston, a 3-4 OLB in the NFL, when they desperately need offensive lineman and a one of the three or four best players available is an offensive tackle. if j.long were somehow available, i would be all for picking him. he certainly would be a better long term investment in the running game than mcfadden, as OT’s can play for 10+ yrs while RB’s are generally limited to 6 or 7 productive seasons. if d’brick shapes up, the three of them would give us a great o-line for a long (sorry) time.

but the real problem with king’s analysis is the rams, a 4-3 team, taking gholston, a 3-4 OLB in the NFL, when they desperately need offensive lineman and a one of the three or four best players available is an offensive tackle.

]]> By: You know I know http://www.thejetsblog.com/2008/03/24/the-minute-i-cant-get-back-from-pk/#comment-75142 You know I know Tue, 25 Mar 2008 01:16:21 +0000 http://www.thejetsblog.com/?p=3744#comment-75142 Can't really go wrong if they take Jake Long - or best CB at #6 - assuming Gholston and McFadden are gone. I'd rather give Brick a year playing alongside Faneca before writing him off. Draft OL later and let Callahan develop them. If NE jumps to #5 to steal Gholston, then I say let Baltimore jump KC and take Matt Ryan or Sedrick Ellis or Jake Long - whoever is there (KC needs any/all of them). Screw them right back - and get a 3rd round pick along the way. Can’t really go wrong if they take Jake Long – or best CB at #6 – assuming Gholston and McFadden are gone. I’d rather give Brick a year playing alongside Faneca before writing him off. Draft OL later and let Callahan develop them.
If NE jumps to #5 to steal Gholston, then I say let Baltimore jump KC and take Matt Ryan or Sedrick Ellis or Jake Long – whoever is there (KC needs any/all of them). Screw them right back – and get a 3rd round pick along the way.

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