Scouts Inc. Ranks Top 64 WRs
And Coles and Cotch make the list at #32 and #39 respectively.
Here’s what they write about Coles (#32)
Coles isn’t big (5-11, 193), but he is as tough as they come and the Jets’ quarterbacks rely on him to get open. Coles has elite deep speed, but with the Jets’ difficulties in pass protection and Chad Pennington’s suspect arm strength, he hasn’t been able to use these talents as much as expected. That could change with Kellen Clemens behind center and a revamped offensive line.
And Cotchery (#39)
He has a good feel for finding soft spots in zone coverage and can set up his defender well with his exceptional body control. He has steadily improved and his yards per catch was a career-high 13.8 yards last season. While his average was up, he is not a burner and will struggle to consistently stretch the field. The Jets’ offensive line should give him more opportunities next season, but his ceiling is a No. 2 wideout.
Not sure what their definition of “a No. 2 wideout” is but if he’s lining up with Randy Moss or Terrell Owens, OK then he’s a #2. I respectfully disagree with their assessment of Cotchery if they mean he needs someone better for him to be effective. I think we’ll see this storyline continue to play out in 2008.
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so pretty much what they’re saying is that the Jets have one of the worst No 1 recevers, but one of the best No 2’s, like they said as well i’ll wait until after next season to pass judgement with a decent O-Line to give them a chance to get deep
Big fan of Jericho but he struggled when coles went down at the end of the year.
He did, but then in the next to last game, put up good numbers to at least give us a bit of hope. (8-152-TD).
I think Coles’ “elite deep speed” is a thing of the past though.
no, they said the jets have 2 elite #2’s.
After reading the entire list I think the whole thing is lacking in objectivity. Moss who produced nothing in Oakland, was the top producer as soon as he had a QB that could get him the ball.
I you give LC a QB that can do the same he becomes a top 20 receiver. As far as his speed goes…well e probably lost a tenth of a second, but his is deceptively quick still and can get separation.
How one evaluates WR when the difference in talent of the guy throwing them the ball is so drastic is difficult for me to understand.
Our 2 guys are a good tandem considering who our QB is, and their overall production when not injured. Now lets go out and draft a speed burner that is big and scares people, and while were at it a QB that has an arm and some accuracy. That would certainly help our guys move up n this list.
I truly believe the only way we can get a difference maker at the WR position is if we trade for him (Who that could be is anyone’s guess; Chad Johnson perhaps?). Any rookie WR no matter how much a burner he is, probably will not contribute in his first year, and I would view his selection as one benefitting 2009 and beyond.
I see our main deep threats being Stuckey and/or Brad Smith this year. I agree with the above analysis, Coles has lost a step but can catch anything thrown to him. Maybe Bent is right and Cotchery will emerge as the new Coles circa 2002.
its amazing what a bad line can do to recievers…2 years ago our recievers were among the best as they used to say…now they’re a pair of eliet #2’s…thats funny…but i have to agree…they really dont put up great #s…but as a pair they are still alot better than most teams have in this leauge…better than (r.white m.jenkins)in atlanta and alot of other teams that may have a great # 1 but no # 2 to take the heat off the #1 like a.johnson from houston…but as i always say…just my thoughts…
This is part of the JETS problem, they need a fast, tall #1 receiver.
Najy –
Not to make excuses, but if you remember, Cotchery actually had a severely broken index finger last year, which as a receiver, may have hindered his performance. He was supposed to be done for the season, but they made that special cast and he played anyway.
I also think once Coles went down, other teams doubled Cotchery because the Jets lacked any other serious threats. I liked what I saw out of Stuckey — seemed to have good chemistry with Clemens — but I wouldn’t be upset if they drafted a legitimate deep threat.
I do think we have two first rate number 2s. Coles’s no longer ‘elite speed’ has shortened the squads top end. However, the addition of a fresh, new number 1 would compliment and open up the field for Cotch and Coles, making for a truly fearsome threesome.
the ed…i agree…and lets hope we get 1 soon…that can also catch and is durable…just imagine what a tall fast pass catching wr can do for this recieving core we have…not to mention our running game…just my thoughts
No doubt the Jets need more size and speed at WR. Too bad the Jets picked the first year in a while where there isn’t an elite WR candidate worth a top-ten pick. While it’s true that it takes 3 years for a WR to develop. Bowe, Boldin, Moss, and Colston were all pretty good their rookie seasons. And, fwiw, Boldin was a second rounder and Colston deep in the second day (7th?).
This thing about #1 and #2 receivers means squat. Do you think that Patriot fans care if Wes Welker is called a #2 or a #3. How many key catches did he make, this year. The bottom line is Team Offense. The O-Line is the key. Now that we are addressing that, the QB gets time, the RB’s have holes, the TE gets involved — everything clicks. I agree with Neil H’s points about Randy Moss and how Coles would be a different receiver under better circumstances. As I have mentioned in many posts, for those of you looking for that big receiver out of this years draft, James Hardy is the man. Don’t go by what the media tells you. Look at his films, stats, combine, what his coaches say, and what opposing players say. If you look at some of the best players in NFL history – many were unknown by the brilliant media. See Jerry Rice and Tom Brady. Now that we have a better line, along with Bubba Franks, if we get Hardy, our Offense goes to another level. Don’t listen to those know-it-all’s that tell you Hardy will not be able to get off the line of scrimmage in the NFL. Until someone stops him, and it seems that no one has, how can anyone make a statement like that. I don’t know about you but, I want an exciting Offense this year. Hardy can be the guy to make that happen. Compare the stats to any of the top ranked WR’s. Watch the videos, you’ll become a believer. Hello Red Zone.
i disagree, cotchery is better than a #2 and I think its an insult to call him a number 2. Id say hes a #1, but not in the Elite class of #1’s that a few teams have, but then again not many teams have an elite #1. As far as im concerened they have one of the better 1-2 WR tandems in the league. many teams would kill to have one of these guys on their roster and the Jets have 2. If they can get a speed guy for the slot ie Chansi Stuckey or someone else and if they stay healthy id put them in the top 8 WR corps in the league.
Coles is a solid possession receiver when he hasn’t been concussed due to Pennington’s inability to throw. He would be an effective complement to a speedster who can catch, assuming that a QB other than Pennington is throwing.
I would like to dismiss 2007 as an aberration due to LC’s injuries. In 2006, LC had 5 100 yard games,more than Randy Moss and TO combined as well as 91 receptions (6th in the league). Sure, he’s no Mike Furrey but he has contributed mightily to the Jets every year he’s been here.
The Jets do need to draft a WR for the future now. Hardy will probably be gone by the #36, but others will be there. Mario Manningham is probably available.
Joe, please don’t dismiss L.C’s numbers in 2007 by comparing his 2006 numbers with those of T.O. (injured and sacked from the Eagles) or Moss (stuck in Raider hell).
You are asking us to disregard one of L.C’s worst years by comparing one of his best against the worst seasons of two others. It’s hard to have your cake and eat it too!
Wheres Al Toon when we need him :)
Clearing the cobwebs :(
Over the many years that I have been a fan, perhaps the best talent we have has came from the WR position. Guys like Don Maynard, George Sour Jr.,Wesley Walker,Rob Moore, Al Toon and of course Wayne. I feel LC belongs with those guys.
Because of his friendship with Chad…Chad named his son after LC, and offered part of his salary to get him back from Washington, LC does things for his QB that dont always make him have the best numbers , and which put him at terrible risk. I have watch LC since he played for FSU, and from day one with the jets. Early on he had deceptive speed and was a true burner. He lost a step but his routes became as crisp as they can get, and he has soft hands, and he is the toughest WR in the NFL….OK enough I like the guy.
JC does not have the raw talent that LC has, but he is as graceful as a dancer, has great hands and a big heart to match.
If these guys had Peyton Manning as a QB they would both be top 20 receivers.
Harvlis talks about aWR in the draft named James Hardy…I watch him play, and agree with Harvlis…go after this guy. One big fast deep theat wil make our 2 other guys even better then they are right now.
Problem is our receivers are ineffective because the offensive line is always being pressured and because of a lack of a consistant run game and deep passing.
I believe that Cotchery is a physical receiver, and he can get stronger in that aspect of his game like Boldin. Boldin is no bigger than Cotcherry and just runs over safeties and corners.
James Hardy is a good prospect at WR, and although he lacks top-end speed. His height makes up for this i.e. Burress. As he will learn how to use his body to shield away corners and safeties from the ball.
Hashmarks has a link to a spreadsheet that combined, then averaged all 32 teams. Jets – 16th
Give Stucky a chance. I think this will be a breakout year for him. Coles 1 Cotchery 2 Stucky 3(has great speed). The Jets are deceptively deep at WR its just that Stucky was hurt last year so no one has seen him play. Also dont forget about Justin Miller at CB. If you remember before last year Eric Mangini couldn’t say enough about him. Again people forget because he was hurt. Now i’m not saying dont draft a WR or CB but I don’t think they are first round needs. This year is deep at CB and WR theres no need to take one early considering no one can agree on whos best.
Don’t rule out a breakout year for Smith either. Especially if you believe in the “it takes three years for a WR to break out” rule.
Year 1 – 9-61-0TD
Year 2 – 32-325-2TD
Year 3 – ??-???-??
For comparison: Cotchery’s numbers…
Year 1 – 6-60-0TD
Year 2 – 19-251-0TD
Year 3 – 82-961-6TD
The Jets’ WRs were ineffective last year because the QBs throwing to them were ineffective. Chad couldn’t let them work deeper (he also laid them out for big hits) and KC was real inaccurate. Now, some of that is on the OL, but the QB play has to get better or we could have Moss, Larry Fitzgerald and Steve Smith in the slot, with Gates at TE, and still suck.
These rankings are disrespectful to the jets Receivers. Coles and Cotchery are better than they are given credit for.