D. Rose is Rambling: Off season Let Down
If there’s one thing we know about our very own D.Rose, it’s that he’ll tell you what he thinks. We can vouch for that fact as we saw him last summer bust on Jets owner Woody Johnson for the questionable color of his helicopter. Woody heard the quip, nervously acknowledged it and then ran away. In this column, D will be using the space as an opportunity speak his mind, from the perspective of a die-hard Jet fan, tailgater and ticketholder in Section 321. Enjoy.
This off season started with a bang! Now I am bored, the initial excitement of all our new toys has faded and I am left suffering with pre-season baseball and god-awful NY Basketball. I think that we need to pull off a big trade. Who and what to whom I have no idea, however, I am ready for some new excitement!
I don’t know about anyone else, but I am growing tired of all this pre-draft speculation, the more I think about it the more I see it for what it is, a total waste of time. The NFL is more secretive than the CIA. Come to think of it, I think I would nominate Belichick for head of the CIA, cause he seems to have a better handle on spying then anyone we’ve had running Langley for the last 20 years.
Has anyone actually run a statistical analysis of the percent of picks that the “draft gurus” actually get right? I think that would be very interesting, but I am lazy and really don’t feel like doing math outside of work. Come to think of it, I don’t like to do math at work. The more I read the less I think these people have any idea what they’re talking about. It’s all a giant guess, I wish I had a job where I could make semi-educated guesses and not be accountable if they don’t come out correct. As a teacher in a low-income area of the Bronx, I just wish I had a job where I could get some respect!
So, now for the point of this, sad to say there isn’t really a point! And no, you cannot have the 2 or 3 minutes that it took to read this back. So, I will conclude by asking you our wonderful and loyal readers to propose the trades you would make as of right now. There is no such thing as a dumb trade, so lets use this boring time before the draft to have some fun and make some fake football trades! Yes you have to and yes there will be a quiz at the end.
Enjoy,
D.Rose
Filed under: Opinion
Trade #6 pick, 4th rounder, & Kenyon Coleman for the #4 pick of the Raiders (actually works with this chart: http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/draft06/news/story?id=2410670 ). BS Al Davis saying that we’ll take Gholston, and instead take McFadden.
Coles, D-Rob, plus 4th round pick for Chad Johnson.
Drob, and a 6th rd pick for Tom Brady’s right thumb. Try gripping the ball now. I think that would help us the most in our division. He is right handed right?
If I were running the Jets, I would try to build more team chemistry. Trade my 3rd round pick for Pacman Jones, then send my first round pick for the next two years to Cinci for Ocho Cinco. I would definetly try to get either Ricky Williams, Lawerence Phillips, or O.J. Simpson for my backfield. The DH, Revis, Rhodes, D’Brick, and Mangold would be cut immediately. Brad Smith would play qb no matter how well C.P. and K.C. perform in preseason, and I would sign as many scrubs as possible
Robertson and the 4th rounder from the Saints to get our 3rd rounder back from Carolina.
Actually, the rumour (sic) I heard was simply 6 plus Coleman for 4. Unsurprisingly, Raiders fans were excited about this once they saw Coleman’s stats from last year. I really hope they don’t trade up…
I don’t think it’s possible to parody Isiah Thomas any better than he does himself.
Matt Walsh’s damning testimony for Bill Belichick’s suspension.
Here is the best and most logical trade, D-Rob and our first round pick for Lito Sheppard and their third round pick. We free up money with D-Rob and we save a bunch of money that the sixth pick would command, then we turn around and sign Sheppard to a 6 year 40 million dollar deal with 16 guaranteed. We now have Lito and Revis as our stud corners for the next five seasons and more cap space!
That comment by “Isiah Thomas” is a classic. My vote for comment of the year. Is there such an award?
There is now!
If you create the current Jets roster in madden, what is the rating? I know you have to adjust for last years results, but it would be interesting to see. I dont have madden, or else I would post it.
Isiah
You forgot to trade the rights for Vick when he gets out.
Ant
I think we were rated at 84. if you adjusted we’re probably more like a 81.
trade our #6 pick this year, 2nd rounder next year and 4th, for Atlanta’s #3 this year and 5th rounder next year
Isiah was probably the greatest small point guard in NBA history, so maybe there’s hope for KC (I bet you were wondering how I could work in KC’s height on this thread, too).
who would trade for d-rob now that he can be had for free?
Chad Pennington for Eliot Spitzer.
I still think we should trade our first and second round picks for two fourth rounders.
I think I just wasted 10 minutes I’m never going to get back…
Dawyne, Justin Miller, and a fifth this year for Sage Rosenfsomething. Don’t know what D the Texans play, though.
One problem with the Isiah Thomas post is we don’t have a third round pick this year! we lost it in the Jenkins trade.
This is weak.
I say Coles and a 4th for Lito
its much harder to develop a good corner…
WOW…I have been ranting about all the money we have spent in free agency on OL. A major thrust of my posts questions the specific difference between an average OL and an elite one.
I constantly took flack from the same group of posters…all 6 of you that within each and every post , every opportunity you get blame the OL for anything and everything that made our offense impotent. When I talk about the fact that we have no QB….oh its the OL….we have no playmakers….oh its the OL….we went 4-12….oh its the OL. So when the FO overpaid to get an OL upgrade….and Woody is a small upgrade at best you same 6 guys that seem to have your nose firmly placed in the Johnson&Johnson anal anatomy sounded like cheerleading squad for FO and ownership.
It did my heart well to read what a real offensive lineman had to say about that . Not an arm chair wanna be…a former offensve lineman.
As a matter of comparison, an elite player like Hutchinson may go through an entire season and only give up one sack and five pressures, assuming he has an outstanding season. In addition, let’s factor into the equation the reality that Hutchinson may be able to use his talent to make one more block in the running game every other Sunday than I would have.
Strictly by the numbers, that means that an upper echelon player would give up two fewer sacks and five fewer pressures, and probably make one more block in the running game in eight games over the course of the season. That means the difference between one of the highest paid guards in the league like Hutchinson and a journeyman interior backup like me is approximately 15 plays over the course of the season, give or take a few.
Let’s take similar numbers and project them on the more current example of Faneca and DeMulling. Offensive linemen are often given grades by their position coaches after games — plusses for good plays, minuses for bad plays. A guy like Faneca might have four minuses a game out of 65 plays. DeMulling would likely have five or six.
Every NFL team would prefer to have Faneca as their starting left guard, that much is clear. What is significantly less clear is how much more a team should be willing to pay to have Faneca. How much is 10-15 plays over the course of the season worth?
To the Jets, the number is $21 million in guaranteed money.
• It could be the difference. Or not.
Here is a link to the article Neil references above:
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2008/writers/ross_tucker/03/26/oline.salaries1/index.html?eref=si_topstories
FWIW, he raises a good point, but shouldn’t the comparison be between Faneca and Clarke? If so, then the Jets are likely to get far more than 1 or 2 plays a game even if Faneca is just competent.
For the same reason, I don’t see Woody as a small upgrade. Clement was terrible last year, so even if Woody is only average that will be more than just a small upgrade.
As the author notes, the Jets are banking on the fact that the intangibles these guys will bring will ultimately make the investment worthwhile. (Like Mike Tanier’s ESPN/FO article about how Faneca could improve 4 positions).
Yes, we overpaid. Yes, we need better playmaking and QB play, but none of these deals is a cap killer, so hopefully we will fill the roster in good time.
PS – I don’t know where you get the idea that any of the posters here like Woody Johnson. Some people have defended him as “not as bad as Leon Hess or James Dolan”, but that’s about as far as it went…certainly not as far as any bodily orafice, which is an image I’d rather not have to read about on here again if you wouldn’t mind!
Neil, I sometimes feel the same frustration with many on this website, but that’s the consequences of an open forum. I think the Jets spent too much money upgrading the OL, too. But, I also think Tannenbaum has done a great job structuring the deals and the money spent on the OL should not hamstring the Jets’ efforts to improve other areas. I also believe that players have “intangibles” that independently justify their acquisition beyond on-field performance (of course, you don’t want the intangibles to outweigh performance, the Kimo fiasco and the Schlegel miscue show that there are limits to the value of intangibles). Faneca, who is an elite LG, has these intangibles and if he makes Brick and Mangold better, then his on-field coaching and leadership offsets the premium placed upon his services. But, this blog is a fan of FO and it’s sabermetric approach to football. Statistical analysis treats “intangibles” as irrelevant and football players as essentially fungible. I completely reject this notion, but many on this blog will praise the Faneca acquisition because of his “intangibles” and then completely discount “intangibles” when evaluating QB, one of the most important leadership positions in pro sports. Just call out the regulars for their inconsistent positions, especially when I do it :-).
And, fwiw, I am a fan of Woody’s ownership, but let’s put this spending spree in context: it would never have happened if the Jets weren’t opening a new stadium in 2010 and are trying to sell incredibly expensive luxury boxes and club seats. Corporations have to view taking clients to a Jets game as a legitimate business development activity and nobody wants to see a 4-12 team struggle through successive meaningless seasons.
Niel- The O line may be a scape goat, but it was in no way a good line. The writer does know being an O lineman better than us, but clarke was below average and it ISN’T YOUR MONEY. It is in the way that we buy the merchandise and everything else they peddle including tickets, but it didn’t come out of my pocket. I don’t agree with the Woody signing, but I’m no scout and I have thankfully only watched a few Lions games this year. What the FO did was allow themselves options. I think we will still get a RT in the draft, but if we still needed a LG we might have had to not pick up a WR or ILB.
In professional sports it is all monopoly money. You talked about an added block. If there is a better block on the goal line we tie the Browns. For one catch we tie the Ravens game and maybe beat the Redskins. In reality one or two plays a game could really alter the outcome.
Final point: Sports writers exist to cause controversy. I don’t value Prisco or PK or Don Banks opinion. Why start with an ex o lineman who probably got his head bashed in for years? He isn’t a GM or a scout now he is a writer for SI. Woo Hoo!
I think the consensus on this blog is that the first position we needed to address on offense was the line.
Did they pay Faneca too much? Yes by comparison.
Is his “intangibles” worth the extra price. maybe maybe not. the next couple of seasons will tell. Regardless we have upgraded at a spot Ross could have started in. Clarke just could not handle the job. Woody upgrades a weak RT. again we had to pay for it. less then Faneca of course but we payed none the less.
After reading Ross’s article it seems he is taking the money spent a little personal IMO.
who cares, what im rooting for the most over the neext couple weeks is that matt walsh decides to
to follow up on my statement, by accident pressed enter…..
that matt walsh decides to give in and tell the government about spygate in full so they get their 7th pick docked as well, and belicheck loses another million dollars and us jet fans can drink his evil marklarian tears . but i doubt thatll happen, what with roger goodell having bradys kid or something, and therefore covering up (and as of late burning up) all the indisputible evidence “because there was no reason to review it, or some bs excuse like that.
so i gues my point is WHY IS NO ONE REALIZING THIS. theres obviously something going on, or he wouldnt have burned those tapes. sorry for the tangent but it needed to be said and GO US NEGOTIATING TEAM whooo! get walsh to agree to talk so the jets can take their rightful spot as a mediocre team in a crappy division that now lost its single power. and just for the hell of it, spread their three rings to us, the bills, and the rams. Us and the bills cuz i want one, an the bills are better than us anyway, and the rams is pretty self explanitory.
Bye now