With The Sixth Pick: Sedrick Ellis Edition
We are running a series of posts on the topic of who you think the Jets should pick with their slated sixth pick in the draft.
Now clearly some players don’t figure to be there at the sixth pick but just like Mangini, Tannenbaum & Clinkscales have to prepare for all outcomes … so should we.
So how does this work? The process is simple, we are going to take it one player at a time (no jumping ahead!!) 1-10 off our Mock Draft Muncher and talk about the benefits or drawbacks to drafting that particular player, and what it would mean to the Jets in both the short and long-term.
Today, USC DT Sedrick Ellis.
25 Responses to With The Sixth Pick: Sedrick Ellis Edition
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MB927LI says:
ESPN reporting Mangini sees another Mo Lewis in Calvin Pace
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Love Sedrick Ellis – he’s going to be a beast. It’ll be interesting to see if Sedrick’s drafted by a 4-3 team or a 3-4 team. Teams drafting in slots 2-5 all play primarily a 4-3, while teams at 6-9 all play a lot of 3-4 (CIN hasn’t to date, but Marvin Lewis has indicated he’s going to in 2008). If teams are convinced he can play effectively in both defenses, that dramatically increases his trade value if he’s still there at #6.
I could also see us taking him and grooming him as the future of the d-line. If Tangini stays true to drafting BPA, Ellis very well might be the pick, because I think he’s dramatically more talented than the best CB, WR, or pass rusher we’ll have available to us.
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subwayfare says:
A 3-technique DT, touted a the next Warren Sapp, with bad knees. Deja vu all over again…
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JustAGreenGuy says:
For our D I hear Al Woods DT of LSU might fit. His weight is listed as 316- 328 and he is 6’4. He should come out in next years draft, which could coincide perfectly if we have an out in Jenkin’s contract. If he is what I hear we might not be the only ones in the market for him.
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Subwayfare–I couldn’t agree more. We’ve been down this road, and that includes Glenn Dorsey.
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sec108 says:
Ellis is a more talented, more productive version of D-Rob who we are now desperately trying to trade, so this pick does not make sense for us at all, he may be BPA but not for this defense. 3-4 NTs generally don’t go this high anyway, the skills that project for a successful 2 gap tackle, ability to take on double teams, hold at the point of attack, aren’t the ones that wow most scouts on paper or film, like penetrating into the backfield, disrupting plays, sacks (skills that Dorsey and Ellis seem to have). This is one of the reasons its cheaper to run a 3-4 defense, you don’t spend high picks on the d line, more so at OLB. And I don’t want to take him as a potential project at DE, he seems to have the size but as I mentioned above, in this defense you shouldn’t be adressing the d line with top 10 picks.
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Mike G says:
How come the titans are trying to get 2 4th round picks for pacman jones, and the jets couddnt get anything for vilma or D-Rob?
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seanmac says:
first round picks on the Pats defensive line: 3
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Because Pacman Jones still has knees.
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Bent says: Pacman is young with two knees in perfect working order.
Ellis compares favourably (sic) with D-Rob because he is slightly taller, has longer arms, is much stronger, younger, cheaper and has better knees (although not by much if reports are anything to go by). And since Robertson was a solid pro, albeit drafted too high and paid too much, we could do a lot worse. However, his knees do worry me and will probably prevent him from being taken in the top 8 by anyone.
I think he is better suited to 3-4 NT and 3-4 DE than Robertson was anyway and scouts do say he would be able to play in a 3-4.
This wouldn’t be Robertson all over again because nobody would be expecting Ellis to be statistically dominant, since that is not the job of a 3-4 defensive lineman, whereas when Robertson joined the Jets to play 4-3 DT alongside Jason Ferguson, people expected statistical dominance. (Of course, in reality, if Ellis IS drafted by the Jets and doesn’t get at least 8 sacks a year, there will probably be some people calling him a bust).
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Vbsiena24 says:
Junior Seau was a 1st round pick.
first round picks for Jets DL 1 (and he doesn’t fit it that well)
first round picks for Jets LBs 2 hopefully 3 with Gholston (Thomas and Pace) -
18andOne says:
Not sure the Jets will go d-line with the #6 pick. If they can trade down and get more picks then I could see them going after Balmer, Laws, or Sims; guys that better fit their 3-4 defense. As mentioned Dorsey and Ellis wouldn’t be utilized well in the Jets 3-4.
It would be funny if Pacman gets traded for more picks then D-Rob, but putting aside all the off-field issues then Pacman is worth a heck of a lot more then D-Rob.
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billvv says:
I’m afraid Ellis wouldn’t fit either position on the line and likely the Jets would pass on him.
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Vblensia- The Pats have signed other people’s picks, but they haven’t used any themselves on the linebacker position, while they’ve devoted three first round picks and multiple second round picks to the defensive line.
What is attractive about Ellis is that his specialty is being stout against the run, and that like Robertson, he could give you snaps at both DE and NT. Is it the ideal use of the pick? Probably not. But he’s a much better prospect than the top corner would be, for instance, he’s a better prospect than Matt Ryan, and he’s probably a better prospect than Mendenhall. Ellis would have at least a bit of trade value, as Cincinnati and New Orleans would both love to have him, but if the Jets couldn’t trade down, I can think of worse uses for the pick. I think he’s headed to Oakland, though, and that Dorsey is going top three.
I’ll be shocked if neither Gholston nor McFadden are there at six, and I’m expecting them both to be there.
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It’s quite possible Ellis is a better prospect than D-Rob and I think D-Rob is a fine player, just not a game-changer in the way his salary and draft position implied. But because there are some eerie knee-issue similarities and the Jets paid big money to Jenkins and re-upped Pouha, I’d be surprised if the FO would be psyched to pay him #6 money.
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Im aware of Robertsons knee condition, as well as Vilma’s, but arent some of you upset, or atleast dissapointed that it appears a player who was just suspended from the league for a hole season has more trade value than our stud mlb or our DT?
Seanmac if gholsten and Mcfadden are both at 6 then what do you suggest? Take DMC? Take gholsten? Trade down if possible?
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I honestly believe trading down would be the FO’s preference but I’m doubtful there’s a willing partner.
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Mike,
The Cowboys are offering Tennessee a seventh round pick. That was their initial offer at any rate. Let’s not overstate Pacman’s trade value.
Trading down is almost always the most attractive option, but I think it’s highly unlikely that anyone will actually trade with us. I’ve been consistently in favor of McFadden over Gholston for the simple reason that McFadden was a much better and more consistent player in college. That said, I’m reconsidering for two reasons, neither of which have anything to do with need. The first is simply an issue of scarcity and positional value- there is no position where there is less difference between the quality of starters and reserves than running back, and ideally you would never use more than a late first-round pick on the position. The other factor is risk- if the team decides that McFadden is a character risk due to his arrests or his entourage or his intelligence, and that Gholston is not a risk for those same reasons, I’d be sympathetic. But in general, I really don’t advocating taking lesser players over better ones.
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Ilan says:
JustAGreenGuy,
I like Woods too but let’s not get ahead of ourselves. He’d be a good fit but aI’d like to see how he plays with Dorsey gone.
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seanmac – good point on the pats dline, Richard Seymour was taken 6th I believe or somewhere close to that and proved very versatile playing at tackle and end, although I think his more natural position is at end and he has played there extensively since they drafted a true 3-4 NT (Wilfork at 20 or 21 I believe?) and Ty Warren was around the 14th pick I think. First, I don’t think Ellis is as a good a prospect/player as Seymour was coming out, if I did I would take him without hesitation at 6, and I didn’t say don’t use 1st rounders on d line in the 3-4, just not top 10 picks (usually, these aren’t imutable laws or anything). Second, my point with OLB was that these are the skill players you would seek with a top 10 pick, playmakers with pass rush ability. I was just trying to point out that you can find successful players for your d line without using a top 10 pick because of the scheme, the Patriots obviously counter that argument with Seymour.
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SackDance99 says:
I think its fair to say that the Pats have devoted a ton of money to their front 7 and whether they’ve chosen to draft or sign UFAs to fill the positions probably has to do with the maturation process–it takes less time for a D-lineman to be productive than an LB, especially an OLB. As far as I know, Banta-Cain is the only Belichick/Pioli drafted LB that has taken any starting snaps. So, if the Pats are the model, drafting Gholston in the first round doesn’t fit the model.
I saw a bit of Ellis and his technique is not 2-gap at all. He’s a pure 1-gap penetrator, in fact, he’s even good at blocking kicks. Ellis is a little short for DE, so I think he’d have trouble fitting in to the Jets D, which is too bad because I like Dorsey and Ellis (although I think Dorsey’s technique could lend itself to the 2-gap at DE).
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Jeff Dolfini says:
Trade down, trade down, trade down. I would draft Ellis if he didn’t have knee concerns, but it is too high for him there.
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ian says:
we don’t need to mimick pats in every aspect of roster building. true, they have had success drafting DL rather than LB early, but other 3-4 teams have had success drafting LB early–merriman, ware, suggs–and parcells often drafted LB early, LT/Banks. if seymour were available at 6 this year, i’d say take him, but in this particular draft there simply aren’t elite 3-4 DL prospects that are as good as the 3-4 LB prospects.
i look for us to draft DE later. maybe Kendall Langford? hampton plays a 3-4, he’s about 6’5, 285-290, and jets went to the pro-day and gave him a private workout. i’ve seen reports that he should go somewhere in 3rd round. might also look at his teammate, marcus dixon, who is about same size and played on the other end. i’ve seen scouting reports saying he will go 6/7/or UDFA.
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You guys are discussing trading down as a strategic element, when it is mainly tactical. The Jets pick in a position that is just about the same as the number of players in the elite group of this year’s draft. Any perceived inefficiencies in terms of this group,will be investigated by smart teams picking lower and looking for value. The Jets and Patriots would likely both receive offers if Ryan is there at 6, because he would almost certainly be picked by the Ravens if still available.
Would be nice to have a good backup for Jenkins barring an injury, although it seems the FO has faith in Sionne Piouha. Hopefully Jenkins can mentore him for an eventual succession, from what I’ve heard Ellis is not a prototypical 3-4 NT so I dont think were considering him. BTW who is Clinkscales?