Comments on: Breaking News: Steve McNair Retires from NFL

By: MS

MS — Thu, 17 Apr 2008 19:57:43 +0000

If I’m the Jets I’m looking I want Chris Long or McFadden. If those two are gone by our pick (which is likely) than I would be happy with a trade down. If either of these guys are still on the board at 6 I would need a lot to consider trading down. (for example: The Cowboys would need to give up both first round picks and a third for us to move down.)

By: seanmac

seanmac — Thu, 17 Apr 2008 19:29:57 +0000

The Chiefs used second and third round picks on DTs just last year.

By: cbiscuit

cbiscuit — Thu, 17 Apr 2008 18:59:26 +0000

oscarfactor is right, the Chiefs are in the catbird seat if Atlanta passes on Ryan. They outright released a bunch of players and have holes to fill all over the field. They already have 10 picks in the draft though, and Herman is obsessed with the DT position. Best scenario for us is for Dorsey to still be available at 5 in which case they think they won’t risk trading down to 8.

By: Harlan Lachman

Harlan Lachman — Thu, 17 Apr 2008 18:57:21 +0000

Since we don’t trade up in this draft, we will have to wait. But as noted in the Presser (other thread), you can bet we will be players in any trade for Ryan. And those conversations will be hot and heavy between now and then thanks to McNair, who likely removed any doubt about Baltimore’s intentions (thank you very much).

If we could trade down with the Ravens for a three, we’d have to be idiots not to do it even if it cost us Gholston and McDaddy in a deep draft with lots of 3-4 talent (see Bradway’s comments in presser). I even trade down with Carolina.

But no way a team with holes takes Ryan if he is still there if we need him.

BTW, I now think trading down and taking Brohm makes more sense. See the ESPN article from Football Outsiders about how his completion and games started stats outshine all the other prospects.

Harlan

By: cbiscuit

cbiscuit — Thu, 17 Apr 2008 18:42:51 +0000

Bent – I heard about the new value chart, but was not sure if this was now the agreed standard. Since it reportedly would require much less to move into the top 10 using the new chart, it could indeed increase the chances for trades at the top. Teams still have to gulp at the extra cash they will have to pay these guys though.

By: oscarfactor

oscarfactor — Thu, 17 Apr 2008 17:50:28 +0000

Having seen Croyle play, the Chefs would be IDIOTS not to take Ryan. OR, if Herm is as smart as he thinks he is, continue to say how much he loves Ryan and then get a boatload of later picks for the Chiefs first pick. The Chiefs need a LOT of help, and multiple additional first-day picks helps them more quickly.

McNair’s retirement helps the Chefs more than the Jets in terms of draft jockeying.

By: niko1677

niko1677 — Thu, 17 Apr 2008 17:40:25 +0000

Yeah that would make alot of sense Bent. But you gotta wonder how many permutations the GMs have to go through to agree on a trade before draft day and how many are actually gonna get done. It’s alot more work to try and anticipate the draft than to just react on draft day.

By: pound4pound

pound4pound — Thu, 17 Apr 2008 17:26:17 +0000

I think McNair’s retirement gives us some addl leverage in the trade-down scenario, but I think it does even more for KC. Teams in the 8-15 slot may not have enough to get to ATL’s pick at #3, but getting the #5 pick might be a lot easier. Herm batting his eyelashes towards Ryan at Matt’s pro day only helps to sell the idea that they love him, and could help them now drive up the price for that pick. (Assuming, as others have pointed out, that KC doesn’t take Ryan themselves – I still think they’re either going d-line or reaching for Clady / Albert.)

By: Najy

Najy — Thu, 17 Apr 2008 17:19:24 +0000

And one more thing…. we cant let those bastards up in New England influence our draft startegy! We have to do whats best for us and not worry about what they do in the draft.

Im sure the coaches have the players in mind that they want and we gota go out and get them. We cant stray away from our plan in the draft to play defense against New England and stop them from getting their picks because we will only hurt ourselves. And I am sure thats what they want us to do. They would have no problem with us if we undervalue our pick and trade it away to the ravens or carolina. Thats what they want.

Im sure we have a game plane and we got stick to it. We can tweek it here and their, but we have to stick to our guns and do what we want and not play games with the Pats at the number 7 spot.

By: Bassett

Bassett — Thu, 17 Apr 2008 17:17:06 +0000

niko, I can’t remember where I read it, but tanny made the point that some initial talks about trades with other teams will be done ahead of time (peter king this week, I think)