Comments on: Mayock Rips DMC, Compares Ryan to Manning

By: DSmizzle

DSmizzle — Sat, 19 Apr 2008 15:39:13 +0000

Wow, thanks for posting that link. The JETS were so pitiful last year that sometimes I forget that Kellen HAS shown SOME ability… gives me a little hope, although giving me hope might be the cruelest thing you could have done!

By: RK

RK — Sat, 19 Apr 2008 06:13:32 +0000

Vbsiena here are some highlights from Kellen Clemens in case nobody else posted it. I think he has some good touch. You might notice also that there were some drops, most notably everyone’s favorite Justin McCaerins who also tipped a ball in the endzone leading to an INT.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ogqK5YbOzdg

Note how little time he has and then in the 4th how much better he is with some time.

By: Alex

Alex — Sat, 19 Apr 2008 05:05:51 +0000

As a friend of the family, Mayock has known about Ryan for quite sometime. Did he make his list as a top Junior, did he ever mention him before BC’s breakout year. If Ryan is so phenomenal, you think he would have been one of Mayocks top QB’s as a Junior or he would have had him higly rated before the time for underclassmen to declare.

Did he? If anyone knows, feel free to answer.

If he did, there may be something there. If not (which I do not remember anything about Ryan from last years draft time), then I have to wonder if the analysis is a little colored.

By: Big A

Big A — Sat, 19 Apr 2008 03:36:55 +0000

If the Jets are comfortable with DMC’s character issues, that would be good enough for me, but I would still take the strtegy of trading down and picking up more picks. We don’t have a third round pick, so trading our first for a lower 1st, another second and a third, would gives us quite a nice selection.

I would be more comfortable picking a TJ replacement only after we gave him an opportunity with a good line in front of him.

By: Mike G

Mike G — Sat, 19 Apr 2008 00:38:52 +0000

Najy i know westbook was a 3rd rounder, so what? the hole point was running backs like brian westbrook are NOT a dime a dozen, and if his draft was redone, im sure he would be a top 10 pick, top 5 probably.

By: Najy

Najy — Fri, 18 Apr 2008 23:47:35 +0000

DSmizzle,

Dont get me wrong, I am not saying that taking all running backs in the first round is a waste. From the list that you compiled, i can come up with a few potential hall of famers. NO DOUBT ABOUT IT.

BUT none of those players are anything like a McFadden in terms of style of play. They are shorter and stockier type players. Thats whats scary is that McFadden looks like a receiver, not a running back. He will be a bust if we take him.

By: jvsvn

jvsvn — Fri, 18 Apr 2008 21:24:35 +0000

It all about production on the field. You need your 1st rounders to produce. Yes. It is possible to find lower round picks that produce but what does that prove? Brian Westbrook was a third rounder. But if the Eagles had used a 1st rounder to get Westbrook, it would have been a good pick because Westbrook produces. If you take a DMac at 6 (and I’m not saying you do or don’t) and he produces like a Westbrook, you’ve done pretty well for yourself. The fack that you had a 1 in 10 chance of maybe finding someone in a later round isn’t very relevant anymore. Using 1st round picks on guys that don’t produce results on the field is what kills franchises. Any Jets fan already understands this all too well.

By: DSmizzle

DSmizzle — Fri, 18 Apr 2008 20:43:09 +0000

Najy, I’d like to point out that 3 of those guys are out of the NFL, 3 played for the BRONCOS!, and one (Rudi) can’t stay on the field.

On most issues I agree with you man, but I’m definitely NOT in the “1st round is a waste for a RB” camp!

By: Najy

Najy — Fri, 18 Apr 2008 20:41:49 +0000

Now im not wasting anymore time with you.. just wanted to prove my point,.

By: DSmizzle

DSmizzle — Fri, 18 Apr 2008 20:41:21 +0000

Najy:

TJ had 1,100 yards+ last year and he was almost completely ineffective and was not a big-play threat in any meaningful sense of the word.

If you mean that you can easily find runnings backs who could put up the numbers TJ did last year in the middle rounds, I agree.

The thing that separates most of the mid-to-late rounders from the top picks is usually physical ability, speed, strength, agility, quickness, etc…. now you can get by like TJ by being a determined, “lunch-pail type” running back… there are a lot of those guys and you don’t need a 1st-rounder to get them… but look around the league.

Think of these guys:

JETS: Thomas Jones (1st round)
Bills: Marshawn Lynch (1st round)
Patriots: Laurence Maroney (1st round)
Dolphins: Ronnie Brown (1st round)
Colts: Joseph Addai (1st round)
Chiefs: Larry Johnson (1st round)
Chargers: Ladainian Tomlinson (1st round)
Ravens: Willis McGahee (1st round)
Bears: Cedrick Benson (1st round)
Vikings: Adrian Petersen (1st round)
Jaguars: Fred Taylor (1st round)
Bucs: Cadillac Williams (1st round)
Saints: Deuce (1st round)
Rams: Stephen Jackson (1st round)

Thats pretty impressive, and flies against the argument that you shouldn’t spend 1st-rounders on a RB. These guys aren’t all amazing, but its telling that almost 1/2 of the teams have a starter who is a 1st-rounder. That means round 1 vs. 2-6 is about even in terms of producing starters. I’m not even sure I caught all of them in a cursory look at the starters in the NFL, and I apologize in advance if I mischaracterized any of these guys as firsts.