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	<title>Comments on: One Fan&#8217;s List: The Ten Biggest Jet Draft Fiascoes</title>
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		<title>By: tommiesmithjohncarlos</title>
		<link>http://www.thejetsblog.com/2008/04/23/one-fans-list-the-ten-biggest-jet-draft-fiascoes/#comment-79468</link>
		<dc:creator>tommiesmithjohncarlos</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Apr 2008 21:01:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good list... but without question, the biggest draft &quot;Fiasco&quot; is none of the above  In fact, none of the above ten are even in our top 3 .

Rembert, Rudolph, Cadigan, Thomas, and the Lammer are all notable BUSTS, yes, but all of them (except Lam) sprung from defensible draft strategies, because they all carried substantial upsides and were simply swing and misses.  The Three Biggest Draft Fiascoes were:

3. Roger Vick
2. Kyle Brady
1. Mike Nugent (and Doug Jolley)

In all three of these cases, the Jets took a quality, top 30 selection and all but pissed it away in taking fringy players who had not been dominant by any stretch of the imagination, either in college production or in measurables and upside, and all of whom played one of the five LEAST IMPORTANT positions on the team (K, P, FB, TE, LS) at the tremendous opportunity costs of literally hundreds of players who were all but guaranteed to have better careers and greater contributions to a team&#039;s success than these three.

Blair Thomas was a bust, but he was universally praised as a top 5 pick, and if we didn&#039;t take him someone else would have made an equally regrettable choice.  But, remembering what his potential ceiling was, it&#039;s much much MUCH better than the boneheaded idea of passing on a potential perennial all-pro like Harris Barton or Bruce Armstrong to take a fullback; or passing on a future HoF&#039;er like Warren Sapp to take a tight end; or passing on any of the 70-odd players who would have been better contributors  to the Jets from 2005 onward than Mike Nugent and Doug Jolley.

Taking a kicker on day one is just flat out the absolute stupidest move that any team can ever possibly make in the draft.  Period.  There is no bigger fiasco in Jets history than Bradway&#039;s idiotic idea that we were one player away from consistent dominance, and that that player was a placekicker.  Utterly retarded.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good list&#8230; but without question, the biggest draft &#8220;Fiasco&#8221; is none of the above  In fact, none of the above ten are even in our top 3 .</p>
<p>Rembert, Rudolph, Cadigan, Thomas, and the Lammer are all notable BUSTS, yes, but all of them (except Lam) sprung from defensible draft strategies, because they all carried substantial upsides and were simply swing and misses.  The Three Biggest Draft Fiascoes were:</p>
<p>3. Roger Vick<br />
2. Kyle Brady<br />
1. Mike Nugent (and Doug Jolley)</p>
<p>In all three of these cases, the Jets took a quality, top 30 selection and all but pissed it away in taking fringy players who had not been dominant by any stretch of the imagination, either in college production or in measurables and upside, and all of whom played one of the five LEAST IMPORTANT positions on the team (K, P, FB, TE, LS) at the tremendous opportunity costs of literally hundreds of players who were all but guaranteed to have better careers and greater contributions to a team&#8217;s success than these three.</p>
<p>Blair Thomas was a bust, but he was universally praised as a top 5 pick, and if we didn&#8217;t take him someone else would have made an equally regrettable choice.  But, remembering what his potential ceiling was, it&#8217;s much much MUCH better than the boneheaded idea of passing on a potential perennial all-pro like Harris Barton or Bruce Armstrong to take a fullback; or passing on a future HoF&#8217;er like Warren Sapp to take a tight end; or passing on any of the 70-odd players who would have been better contributors  to the Jets from 2005 onward than Mike Nugent and Doug Jolley.</p>
<p>Taking a kicker on day one is just flat out the absolute stupidest move that any team can ever possibly make in the draft.  Period.  There is no bigger fiasco in Jets history than Bradway&#8217;s idiotic idea that we were one player away from consistent dominance, and that that player was a placekicker.  Utterly retarded.</p>
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		<title>By: DanBreen</title>
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		<dc:creator>DanBreen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Apr 2008 18:15:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Rich, you&#039;re reading my mind, I&#039;d like to give that a shot... I&#039;ll see if time and space allow...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rich, you&#8217;re reading my mind, I&#8217;d like to give that a shot&#8230; I&#8217;ll see if time and space allow&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: DanBreen</title>
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		<dc:creator>DanBreen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Apr 2008 18:13:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for the comments, everyone.  No question, the Marino/O&#039;Brien &quot;opportunity cost&quot; was pretty immense;  I don&#039;t include Obie on the list, however, given that he was a solid, and even very good, NFL QB at points in his career, whereas most of these guys contributed little if anything.  I love the Rob Moore point, too - I hadn&#039;t considered that the Rembert fiasco led to the inability to pick Favre.  And I&#039;m definitely OK with adding Kurt Barber to the list, too... he wasn&#039;t any good, though he stuck around for  awhile as a special teams guy.

I guess the good news is that there are less of these in recent years than there have been - and Robertson&#039;s not even really a bust, more of a disappointment relative to what they gave up to get him.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the comments, everyone.  No question, the Marino/O&#8217;Brien &#8220;opportunity cost&#8221; was pretty immense;  I don&#8217;t include Obie on the list, however, given that he was a solid, and even very good, NFL QB at points in his career, whereas most of these guys contributed little if anything.  I love the Rob Moore point, too &#8211; I hadn&#8217;t considered that the Rembert fiasco led to the inability to pick Favre.  And I&#8217;m definitely OK with adding Kurt Barber to the list, too&#8230; he wasn&#8217;t any good, though he stuck around for  awhile as a special teams guy.</p>
<p>I guess the good news is that there are less of these in recent years than there have been &#8211; and Robertson&#8217;s not even really a bust, more of a disappointment relative to what they gave up to get him.</p>
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		<title>By: Rich</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rich</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Apr 2008 17:46:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How about the 10 best picks? I know that it&#039;s hard to believe, but we&#039;ve had some good ones. Kerry Rhodes on the 4th round, Joe Klecko on the 7th. Might be a fun project just before the draft.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How about the 10 best picks? I know that it&#8217;s hard to believe, but we&#8217;ve had some good ones. Kerry Rhodes on the 4th round, Joe Klecko on the 7th. Might be a fun project just before the draft.</p>
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		<title>By: joe</title>
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		<dc:creator>joe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Apr 2008 16:18:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>seanmac, numerous outright dumb assertions in that article...but calling DeWayne Robertson,the 10th best &quot;1st round steal&quot; in those 4 years would have to be my favorite.

as for this article, i really enjoyed it - adding 2nd round busts made for quite an education
hey i found Roger Vick&#039;s homepage! I think I understand why he was a bust, he lied about his age
http://www.rvick.com/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>seanmac, numerous outright dumb assertions in that article&#8230;but calling DeWayne Robertson,the 10th best &#8220;1st round steal&#8221; in those 4 years would have to be my favorite.</p>
<p>as for this article, i really enjoyed it &#8211; adding 2nd round busts made for quite an education<br />
hey i found Roger Vick&#8217;s homepage! I think I understand why he was a bust, he lied about his age<br />
<a href="http://www.rvick.com/" rel="nofollow">http://www.rvick.com/</a></p>
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		<title>By: Matt</title>
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		<dc:creator>Matt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Apr 2008 15:57:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What about goddamng Kyle Brady? Remember whoe veryone wanted us to take...WARRRRENNNN SAPPPPPPPP. Who did we take? Kyle friggen hands of stone Brady.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What about goddamng Kyle Brady? Remember whoe veryone wanted us to take&#8230;WARRRRENNNN SAPPPPPPPP. Who did we take? Kyle friggen hands of stone Brady.</p>
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		<title>By: seanmac</title>
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		<dc:creator>seanmac</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Apr 2008 14:56:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For an interesting read:

http://www.footballoutsiders.com/2008/04/22/ramblings/nfl-draft/6245/

Looking at the salaries for the initial picks and then the follow up picks, the strongest drafting team in the league from 2000-2003 was none other than your New York Jets.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For an interesting read:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.footballoutsiders.com/2008/04/22/ramblings/nfl-draft/6245/" rel="nofollow">http://www.footballoutsiders.com/2008/04/22/ramblings/nfl-draft/6245/</a></p>
<p>Looking at the salaries for the initial picks and then the follow up picks, the strongest drafting team in the league from 2000-2003 was none other than your New York Jets.</p>
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		<title>By: Starbuck</title>
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		<dc:creator>Starbuck</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Apr 2008 14:40:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Roger Vick anyone?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Roger Vick anyone?</p>
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		<title>By: Don Cacchione</title>
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		<dc:creator>Don Cacchione</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Apr 2008 14:27:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The draft pick that is a prime example of the Jets mismanagement is Craig Heintriche. Drafted in round six in 1993. Not good enough to beat out Louie Aguiar, but good enough to punt in the league for 15 years and counting. I don&#039;t have the time to add up all the punters we have had in the last 15 years.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The draft pick that is a prime example of the Jets mismanagement is Craig Heintriche. Drafted in round six in 1993. Not good enough to beat out Louie Aguiar, but good enough to punt in the league for 15 years and counting. I don&#8217;t have the time to add up all the punters we have had in the last 15 years.</p>
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		<title>By: steviek</title>
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		<dc:creator>steviek</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Apr 2008 14:26:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>wow, some great names on there. haight was the guy that prompted the kiper comment, &#039;the jets have no idea what the draft is about,&quot;?

i&#039;m a big time follower, plus i&#039;m old and i dont even remember doug williams. and i forgot they drafted anthony davis. thought he was a waiver move.

and in the vein of going old school, who remembers carl barsilaukus? he was a very high pick, but not worth checking the spelling of his name.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>wow, some great names on there. haight was the guy that prompted the kiper comment, &#8216;the jets have no idea what the draft is about,&#8221;?</p>
<p>i&#8217;m a big time follower, plus i&#8217;m old and i dont even remember doug williams. and i forgot they drafted anthony davis. thought he was a waiver move.</p>
<p>and in the vein of going old school, who remembers carl barsilaukus? he was a very high pick, but not worth checking the spelling of his name.</p>
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