Comments on: Opinion: What’s the Net-Net of Day One? http://www.thejetsblog.com/2008/04/27/opinion-whats-the-net-net-of-day-one/ Ranting and Raving about the Gang Green Sun, 12 Feb 2012 16:04:59 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: thejetsblog.com » My Top Ten From the Weekend http://www.thejetsblog.com/2008/04/27/opinion-whats-the-net-net-of-day-one/#comment-81173 thejetsblog.com » My Top Ten From the Weekend Mon, 28 Apr 2008 18:31:53 +0000 http://www.thejetsblog.com/?p=4068#comment-81173 [...] Thinking about what the day one picks meant. [...] [...] Thinking about what the day one picks meant. [...]

]]> By: ramble914 http://www.thejetsblog.com/2008/04/27/opinion-whats-the-net-net-of-day-one/#comment-80565 ramble914 Sun, 27 Apr 2008 14:45:35 +0000 http://www.thejetsblog.com/?p=4068#comment-80565 From what I've read, heard and understand, the Giants were in serious negotiations with the Saints to trade Shockey for 2nd and 5th round picks. The Giants didn't think it was enough, and broke off talks Friday afternoon. The talks resumed again yesterday at around the 25th pick when the Saints upped the offer to 2nd and 4th round picks, the Giants were going to accept but wait until their pick at 32 to select Keller as a pass catching replacement for Shockey, but the Jets caught wind of it and jumped in front of them to snag Keller for themselves. Nice move! From what I’ve read, heard and understand, the Giants were in serious negotiations with the Saints to trade Shockey for 2nd and 5th round picks. The Giants didn’t think it was enough, and broke off talks Friday afternoon. The talks resumed again yesterday at around the 25th pick when the Saints upped the offer to 2nd and 4th round picks, the Giants were going to accept but wait until their pick at 32 to select Keller as a pass catching replacement for Shockey, but the Jets caught wind of it and jumped in front of them to snag Keller for themselves. Nice move!

]]> By: ramble914 http://www.thejetsblog.com/2008/04/27/opinion-whats-the-net-net-of-day-one/#comment-80563 ramble914 Sun, 27 Apr 2008 14:37:30 +0000 http://www.thejetsblog.com/?p=4068#comment-80563 Didn't the draft muncher predict picking Keller at #36? Didn’t the draft muncher predict picking Keller at #36?

]]> By: ramble914 http://www.thejetsblog.com/2008/04/27/opinion-whats-the-net-net-of-day-one/#comment-80562 ramble914 Sun, 27 Apr 2008 14:34:16 +0000 http://www.thejetsblog.com/?p=4068#comment-80562 I for one, am excited as hell about the season. I think we have the makings for a pretty good team (I say this every preseason), but this year is a little different. Our additions in FA addressed the glaring needs, and our additions in the draft (2006 - 2008) added quality players. Yes, there are still some concerns like the other CB spot, right tackle, and QB, but I think we are going places this year. Foe all the talk about the lack of offensive weapons, I think we will have 3 good ones in Leon Washington, Brad Smith, and Dustin Keller, not to mention LC, JC, and T. Jones. In the last couple of years we added some real studs on defense, Rhodes, Revis, Harris, Jenkins, Gholston, and even Coleman. Yup, I think this year will be special. I for one, am excited as hell about the season. I think we have the makings for a pretty good team (I say this every preseason), but this year is a little different. Our additions in FA addressed the glaring needs, and our additions in the draft (2006 – 2008) added quality players. Yes, there are still some concerns like the other CB spot, right tackle, and QB, but I think we are going places this year. Foe all the talk about the lack of offensive weapons, I think we will have 3 good ones in Leon Washington, Brad Smith, and Dustin Keller, not to mention LC, JC, and T. Jones. In the last couple of years we added some real studs on defense, Rhodes, Revis, Harris, Jenkins, Gholston, and even Coleman.

Yup, I think this year will be special.

]]> By: Harlan Lachman http://www.thejetsblog.com/2008/04/27/opinion-whats-the-net-net-of-day-one/#comment-80557 Harlan Lachman Sun, 27 Apr 2008 14:22:58 +0000 http://www.thejetsblog.com/?p=4068#comment-80557 Bassett, Bent was right and wins a pre draft Kewpie. I lost all my files when my hard drive crashed but every year, I make a list of guys' ratings and ranking before the all star games and combines. I compare it to the post combine list and look for guys I don't want: All had an upward or ?downward rating change of 5 or more points or a ranking change (on the big board) of more ?than 15. Gholston was not on the list. IOW, whether or not he was a workout warrior, his combine and pro days did not change his rating or ranking significantly. WIthout my original notes, I cannot check on Keller, but he was also not on my do not take list (either because his ratings were so low originally I did not consider him or because he was good and consistent). BTW, guys on my do not take list included: Leodis McKelvin CB; Chris Williams OT; Phillip Merling DE; DeSean Jackson WR; Brian Brohm QB; Rogers-Cromartie CB; Branden Albert G; Devin Thomas WR; Fred Davis TE USC, Calais Campbell RB Arkansas -5 6 That does not mean he can play. It just means he ain't no workout warrior climber. BTW, the two needs we missed out on, primarily because there was no sure fire player, were a DE or two to replace the inept Kenyon and Ellis and a CB. Not likely to get a CB in the draft but perhaps a less expensive DE to groom. harlan Bassett, Bent was right and wins a pre draft Kewpie.

I lost all my files when my hard drive crashed but every year, I make a list of guys’ ratings and ranking before the all star games and combines. I compare it to the post combine list and look for guys I don’t want: All had an upward or ?downward rating change of 5 or more points or a ranking change (on the big board) of more ?than 15. Gholston was not on the list. IOW, whether or not he was a workout warrior, his combine and pro days did not change his rating or ranking significantly.

WIthout my original notes, I cannot check on Keller, but he was also not on my do not take list (either because his ratings were so low originally I did not consider him or because he was good and consistent).

BTW, guys on my do not take list included: Leodis McKelvin CB; Chris Williams OT; Phillip Merling DE; DeSean Jackson WR; Brian Brohm QB; Rogers-Cromartie CB; Branden Albert G; Devin Thomas WR; Fred Davis TE USC, Calais Campbell RB Arkansas -5 6

That does not mean he can play. It just means he ain’t no workout warrior climber.

BTW, the two needs we missed out on, primarily because there was no sure fire player, were a DE or two to replace the inept Kenyon and Ellis and a CB. Not likely to get a CB in the draft but perhaps a less expensive DE to groom.

harlan

]]> By: jvsvn http://www.thejetsblog.com/2008/04/27/opinion-whats-the-net-net-of-day-one/#comment-80549 jvsvn Sun, 27 Apr 2008 13:44:13 +0000 http://www.thejetsblog.com/?p=4068#comment-80549 Let's forget about trades, draft position, value, and all that other stuff for a minute. Let's just look at the players we got. From the standpoint of team needs, the picks are pretty logical. Among other things, we needed 1) an edge rusher, and 2) a play maker in the passing game (particularly in the red zone). These two picks address those needs head on. Now, were these two specific players the right or "best" guys to address those needs? Who knows. Only time will tell on that one. However, we can say a few things about them for sure. First, from the standpoint of measurables and pure athletic ability, they represent the very top of this draft class. From a competition standpoint, both performed solidly in the Big 10, one of the 2 or 3 best conferences in the country (and one that plays in bad weather to boot). From the perspective of profiles, any team, including ours, would love to have guys like this on the team. Now, they have got to go out and perform (just like every other draft prospect) but I think these guys deserve the benefit of the doubt until they prove otherwise. Strickly from a draft standpoint, the picks seem pretty logical. Let’s forget about trades, draft position, value, and all that other stuff for a minute. Let’s just look at the players we got. From the standpoint of team needs, the picks are pretty logical. Among other things, we needed 1) an edge rusher, and 2) a play maker in the passing game (particularly in the red zone). These two picks address those needs head on. Now, were these two specific players the right or “best” guys to address those needs? Who knows. Only time will tell on that one. However, we can say a few things about them for sure. First, from the standpoint of measurables and pure athletic ability, they represent the very top of this draft class. From a competition standpoint, both performed solidly in the Big 10, one of the 2 or 3 best conferences in the country (and one that plays in bad weather to boot). From the perspective of profiles, any team, including ours, would love to have guys like this on the team. Now, they have got to go out and perform (just like every other draft prospect) but I think these guys deserve the benefit of the doubt until they prove otherwise. Strickly from a draft standpoint, the picks seem pretty logical.

]]> By: Ferraro41 http://www.thejetsblog.com/2008/04/27/opinion-whats-the-net-net-of-day-one/#comment-80548 Ferraro41 Sun, 27 Apr 2008 13:43:15 +0000 http://www.thejetsblog.com/?p=4068#comment-80548 Good analysis Brian....if it's ok, I'm gonna post it on my Jets listserv (with props and a link, of course). Re: the secondary...we also need to keep in mind that if our front seven are a pack of wild dogs, we can get away with a secondary that doesn't have two shut down corners. If the QB has no time to throw, it won't matter all that much. Besides, I really like Justin Miller's skills....I think if he's healthy, he's got a chance to win that other spot. To me, however, the best part of this draft is going to be next season, when both players are playing well, to read Gary Myers try to backpedal on his criticisms of our picks. That guy is such a jackass...I don't know why I let him bother me, but I just can't stand him. Sorry for the off-topic mini-rant. :=) Good analysis Brian….if it’s ok, I’m gonna post it on my Jets listserv (with props and a link, of course).

Re: the secondary…we also need to keep in mind that if our front seven are a pack of wild dogs, we can get away with a secondary that doesn’t have two shut down corners. If the QB has no time to throw, it won’t matter all that much. Besides, I really like Justin Miller’s skills….I think if he’s healthy, he’s got a chance to win that other spot.

To me, however, the best part of this draft is going to be next season, when both players are playing well, to read Gary Myers try to backpedal on his criticisms of our picks. That guy is such a jackass…I don’t know why I let him bother me, but I just can’t stand him. Sorry for the off-topic mini-rant. :=)

]]> By: billvv http://www.thejetsblog.com/2008/04/27/opinion-whats-the-net-net-of-day-one/#comment-80544 billvv Sun, 27 Apr 2008 13:27:23 +0000 http://www.thejetsblog.com/?p=4068#comment-80544 It's all a guess, but I like the guesses the FO made. No good WR and they pick a WR in a TE's body? I LIKE IT! I'm a little let down, like everybody else, that I didn't think of it first! I figured ILB for the second pick, and when they traded up, I guessed QB. Ehhhh! I can't believe I didn't pick Keller on my list. I remember his combine efforts. His pass catching drill was memorable! The tapes are on the Jets page, if you missed it. It’s all a guess, but I like the guesses the FO made. No good WR and they pick a WR in a TE’s body? I LIKE IT! I’m a little let down, like everybody else, that I didn’t think of it first! I figured ILB for the second pick, and when they traded up, I guessed QB. Ehhhh!

I can’t believe I didn’t pick Keller on my list. I remember his combine efforts. His pass catching drill was memorable! The tapes are on the Jets page, if you missed it.

]]> By: cbiscuit http://www.thejetsblog.com/2008/04/27/opinion-whats-the-net-net-of-day-one/#comment-80539 cbiscuit Sun, 27 Apr 2008 13:12:42 +0000 http://www.thejetsblog.com/?p=4068#comment-80539 Agree Bundgaard - the trade up is very interesting. Jerry Reese said the Gints were getting calls, but nothing that equated to Shockey's value - thought to be a first rounder. It was widely speculated heading into the draft that NO was hot on the deal and had offered their #2. This no doubt looked sweeter as the draft wore on, and with Keller at the top of our board the threat of losing him to big blues to finish their deal must of had some credibility. As for questions on the caliber of teams played - there are Keller highlights also against Iowa, Notre Dame and OSU and the dude has put up big numbers for 2 years against the likes of these as well as Michigan, Wisconsin, Penn St. etc. The Big Ten is not exactly Pop Warner. Agree Bundgaard – the trade up is very interesting. Jerry Reese said the Gints were getting calls, but nothing that equated to Shockey’s value – thought to be a first rounder. It was widely speculated heading into the draft that NO was hot on the deal and had offered their #2. This no doubt looked sweeter as the draft wore on, and with Keller at the top of our board the threat of losing him to big blues to finish their deal must of had some credibility.

As for questions on the caliber of teams played – there are Keller highlights also against Iowa, Notre Dame and OSU and the dude has put up big numbers for 2 years against the likes of these as well as Michigan, Wisconsin, Penn St. etc. The Big Ten is not exactly Pop Warner.

]]> By: James in TN http://www.thejetsblog.com/2008/04/27/opinion-whats-the-net-net-of-day-one/#comment-80533 James in TN Sun, 27 Apr 2008 12:20:40 +0000 http://www.thejetsblog.com/?p=4068#comment-80533 The highlight video of Keller was against Akron, Ball State and Minnesota. These teams are jokes in College football. Gholston played against the same caliber of teams for his highlights. I am interested in how they play against tough competition like they will each week in the NFL. I think the team felt locked in for the Gholston pick and who knows what they were thinking in the trade up for Keller. I hope Day 2 takes some of the sting from D-day 1. I hope for the best , but these picks were not good. The highlight video of Keller was against Akron, Ball State and Minnesota. These teams are jokes in College football. Gholston played against the same caliber of teams for his highlights. I am interested in how they play against tough competition like they will each week in the NFL. I think the team felt locked in for the Gholston pick and who knows what they were thinking in the trade up for Keller. I hope Day 2 takes some of the sting from D-day 1. I hope for the best , but these picks were not good.

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