Comments on: Link: Clayton Lists Top Five Surprise Teams http://www.thejetsblog.com/2008/05/12/link-clayton-lists-top-five-surprise-teams/ Ranting and Raving about the Gang Green Sun, 12 Feb 2012 16:53:11 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: EastSideKahaluu http://www.thejetsblog.com/2008/05/12/link-clayton-lists-top-five-surprise-teams/#comment-83746 EastSideKahaluu Tue, 13 May 2008 18:25:32 +0000 http://www.thejetsblog.com/?p=4212#comment-83746 RyderontheStorm, I completely agree that a pass-rush type player can have immediate impact on a team. I'm just trying to explain why the media might not give a front 7 a whole lot of credit for the addition of a rookie OLB/DE. I am also only reflecting on the trends of the past 5 years (the NFL, of course, is always changing). Like I've mentioned before, I don't see why Gholston won't have a very successful first year- especially if he is used like Bilal mentioned in rush packages. RyderontheStorm,

I completely agree that a pass-rush type player can have immediate impact on a team. I’m just trying to explain why the media might not give a front 7 a whole lot of credit for the addition of a rookie OLB/DE. I am also only reflecting on the trends of the past 5 years (the NFL, of course, is always changing). Like I’ve mentioned before, I don’t see why Gholston won’t have a very successful first year- especially if he is used like Bilal mentioned in rush packages.

]]> By: SackDance99 http://www.thejetsblog.com/2008/05/12/link-clayton-lists-top-five-surprise-teams/#comment-83738 SackDance99 Tue, 13 May 2008 17:48:28 +0000 http://www.thejetsblog.com/?p=4212#comment-83738 This will also be a good year to judge Mangini's coaching prowess. In 2006, I thought his ability to prepare the Jets and develop a winning game plan was awesome. Last season, the Jets lost 8 games that they could have won. Or, stated differently, 8 games that if the Jets offense and defensive executed properly they would have won or had a winning record in those games. Pre-David Harris, the Jets inability to stop the run, coupled with their offensive ineptitude, cost them 6 games. Then, starting with the win over the Steelers, the offense prevented the Jets from beating Cleveland and Tennessee. The offense is bound to be better this season, no matter who is the QB, because the Jets converted the weakest part of their OL (Clarke at LG) into their strength with Faneca. This should allow the Jets to run left, which was a no-gain or loss waiting to happen last season, play action pass and put the TE into passing formations. This season the defense was bound to be better with Harris starting from Week 1, but the additions of Jenkins (replacing D-Rob) and Pace (essentially replacing Hobson) have substantially improved the defense, at least on paper. Whatever VG does will be a bonus and if he is as good as Mark Anderson was for the Bears in 2006 (I see VG in a similar role as a designated pass rusher), then the Jets will get to the 10-11 win plateau. The key for Mangini will be managing the QB. Chad and KC both have glaring deficiencies. A strong running game helps, but the game plan has to get the QB going and productive. In some ways, the QB play will be the key to this season. I think Mangini will figure it out, primarily because I think Chad will start and be productive, like in 2006, but with a better running game and pass protection. This will also be a good year to judge Mangini’s coaching prowess. In 2006, I thought his ability to prepare the Jets and develop a winning game plan was awesome. Last season, the Jets lost 8 games that they could have won. Or, stated differently, 8 games that if the Jets offense and defensive executed properly they would have won or had a winning record in those games. Pre-David Harris, the Jets inability to stop the run, coupled with their offensive ineptitude, cost them 6 games. Then, starting with the win over the Steelers, the offense prevented the Jets from beating Cleveland and Tennessee. The offense is bound to be better this season, no matter who is the QB, because the Jets converted the weakest part of their OL (Clarke at LG) into their strength with Faneca. This should allow the Jets to run left, which was a no-gain or loss waiting to happen last season, play action pass and put the TE into passing formations.

This season the defense was bound to be better with Harris starting from Week 1, but the additions of Jenkins (replacing D-Rob) and Pace (essentially replacing Hobson) have substantially improved the defense, at least on paper. Whatever VG does will be a bonus and if he is as good as Mark Anderson was for the Bears in 2006 (I see VG in a similar role as a designated pass rusher), then the Jets will get to the 10-11 win plateau.

The key for Mangini will be managing the QB. Chad and KC both have glaring deficiencies. A strong running game helps, but the game plan has to get the QB going and productive. In some ways, the QB play will be the key to this season. I think Mangini will figure it out, primarily because I think Chad will start and be productive, like in 2006, but with a better running game and pass protection.

]]> By: Mike G http://www.thejetsblog.com/2008/05/12/link-clayton-lists-top-five-surprise-teams/#comment-83737 Mike G Tue, 13 May 2008 17:40:54 +0000 http://www.thejetsblog.com/?p=4212#comment-83737 I'm just being optimistic seanmac, but I do not think the titans and texans are better than us I’m just being optimistic seanmac, but I do not think the titans and texans are better than us

]]> By: Mike G http://www.thejetsblog.com/2008/05/12/link-clayton-lists-top-five-surprise-teams/#comment-83735 Mike G Tue, 13 May 2008 17:39:40 +0000 http://www.thejetsblog.com/?p=4212#comment-83735 seattle no wr's???????? considering they have one of the deepest groups of wideouts in the nfl, and matt hasselbeck throwing to them, I'd hardly call wr a need for seattle. Nate Burleson, Deion Branch, and DJ Hackett are a solid group, and im sure seattle fans would take those 3 guys over L Coles, Cotchery, and B Smith..... seattle no wr’s????????
considering they have one of the deepest groups of wideouts in the nfl, and matt hasselbeck throwing to them, I’d hardly call wr a need for seattle. Nate Burleson, Deion Branch, and DJ Hackett are a solid group, and im sure seattle fans would take those 3 guys over L Coles, Cotchery, and B Smith…..

]]> By: seanmac http://www.thejetsblog.com/2008/05/12/link-clayton-lists-top-five-surprise-teams/#comment-83734 seanmac Tue, 13 May 2008 17:37:54 +0000 http://www.thejetsblog.com/?p=4212#comment-83734 It would be? Off the top of my head, all the teams in the AFC South are better than the Jets, and all of the teams in the AFC North have the potential to be better than the Jets. If you assume that New England, Indy and San Diego have division titles wrapped up, you're looking at Jacksonville, Houston, Tennessee, Pittsburgh, Cleveland, Baltimore and Cincinnati (and possibly Denver or Buffalo) fighting for two spots. Even if the Jets have a good year, I'll be surprised if they make the playoffs. It would be? Off the top of my head, all the teams in the AFC South are better than the Jets, and all of the teams in the AFC North have the potential to be better than the Jets. If you assume that New England, Indy and San Diego have division titles wrapped up, you’re looking at Jacksonville, Houston, Tennessee, Pittsburgh, Cleveland, Baltimore and Cincinnati (and possibly Denver or Buffalo) fighting for two spots. Even if the Jets have a good year, I’ll be surprised if they make the playoffs.

]]> By: Mike G http://www.thejetsblog.com/2008/05/12/link-clayton-lists-top-five-surprise-teams/#comment-83732 Mike G Tue, 13 May 2008 17:32:55 +0000 http://www.thejetsblog.com/?p=4212#comment-83732 It would be a surprise if the jets DONT make the playoffs. billvv, Oakland no defense? really? I think youre mistaken. It would be a surprise if the jets DONT make the playoffs.

billvv, Oakland no defense? really? I think youre mistaken.

]]> By: billvv http://www.thejetsblog.com/2008/05/12/link-clayton-lists-top-five-surprise-teams/#comment-83727 billvv Tue, 13 May 2008 17:18:29 +0000 http://www.thejetsblog.com/?p=4212#comment-83727 OK, I'll take the bait and describe the teams we face: Miami = weak defensive secondary NE = loss SD = loss Arizona = Prorous run defense Cinci = above average draft Oakland = no defense KC = innumerable holes Buffalo = Weak O-line StLouis = Holes all over the roster NE = loss Tennessee = poor draft Denver = no run defense SF = No QB and no WRs Buffalo = see above Seattle = No WRs Miami = see above Probably lose three of five to Buffalo, Cinci, Denver, Seattle 10-6 OK, I’ll take the bait and describe the teams we face:
Miami = weak defensive secondary
NE = loss
SD = loss
Arizona = Prorous run defense
Cinci = above average draft
Oakland = no defense
KC = innumerable holes
Buffalo = Weak O-line
StLouis = Holes all over the roster
NE = loss
Tennessee = poor draft
Denver = no run defense
SF = No QB and no WRs
Buffalo = see above
Seattle = No WRs
Miami = see above

Probably lose three of five to
Buffalo, Cinci, Denver, Seattle

10-6

]]> By: RK http://www.thejetsblog.com/2008/05/12/link-clayton-lists-top-five-surprise-teams/#comment-83707 RK Tue, 13 May 2008 16:22:09 +0000 http://www.thejetsblog.com/?p=4212#comment-83707 Something else that I think needs acknowledgment is that FAs want to play here and I know there is a lot of money involved but the way I see it they perceive that they are coming into an organization that is headed in the right direction too. When players "want" to play somewhere their performance level is higher usually. I guess we will see how that shakes out with Baker. Something else that I think needs acknowledgment is that FAs want to play here and I know there is a lot of money involved but the way I see it they perceive that they are coming into an organization that is headed in the right direction too.

When players “want” to play somewhere their performance level is higher usually.

I guess we will see how that shakes out with Baker.

]]> By: seanmac http://www.thejetsblog.com/2008/05/12/link-clayton-lists-top-five-surprise-teams/#comment-83698 seanmac Tue, 13 May 2008 15:42:34 +0000 http://www.thejetsblog.com/?p=4212#comment-83698 It's a smart article by Clayton. People rarely acknowledge the role that strength of schedule has in effectively determining the seasons for all but the very good and very bad teams. Add in teams returning their starting quarterbacks after a season's worth of backup talent and you are in very good shape. (And of course the Jets hit the double-double back in 2006, getting Chad back and also having one of the easiest schedules in the league.) It’s a smart article by Clayton. People rarely acknowledge the role that strength of schedule has in effectively determining the seasons for all but the very good and very bad teams. Add in teams returning their starting quarterbacks after a season’s worth of backup talent and you are in very good shape. (And of course the Jets hit the double-double back in 2006, getting Chad back and also having one of the easiest schedules in the league.)

]]> By: RyderontheStorm http://www.thejetsblog.com/2008/05/12/link-clayton-lists-top-five-surprise-teams/#comment-83687 RyderontheStorm Tue, 13 May 2008 15:18:38 +0000 http://www.thejetsblog.com/?p=4212#comment-83687 Hey Kahaluu - ever hear of Javon Kearse, Terrell Suggs, Peppers, and ex-jets Hugh Douglas and Abraham? All were rookie high-impact DEs. Granted they are not OLB-hybrids, but your claim is false. Front line D-linemen can have a significant impact in their first year. Hey Kahaluu – ever hear of Javon Kearse, Terrell Suggs, Peppers, and ex-jets Hugh Douglas and Abraham? All were rookie high-impact DEs. Granted they are not OLB-hybrids, but your claim is false. Front line D-linemen can have a significant impact in their first year.

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