Comments on: Daily Links: Choose Your Top Twelve http://www.thejetsblog.com/2008/06/10/daily-links-choose-your-top-twelve/ Ranting and Raving about the Gang Green Mon, 22 Mar 2010 13:00:15 -0400 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.1 hourly 1 By: DSmizzle http://www.thejetsblog.com/2008/06/10/daily-links-choose-your-top-twelve/comment-page-1/#comment-88296 DSmizzle Thu, 12 Jun 2008 04:30:07 +0000 http://www.thejetsblog.com/?p=4414#comment-88296 Well if the JETS view Baker as their #3 TE, I think its time for a new regime to take over. Coming off 4-12 and -- regardless of contract issues -- they think Baker isn't the best TE on the roster? Get rid of these clowns. Seriously. Sending a message is one thing; implying that Keller is a better traditional TE means Tannenbaum is unfit for the job (not to mention his 14-18 career record as GM). Well if the JETS view Baker as their #3 TE, I think its time for a new regime to take over.

Coming off 4-12 and — regardless of contract issues — they think Baker isn’t the best TE on the roster?

Get rid of these clowns. Seriously.

Sending a message is one thing; implying that Keller is a better traditional TE means Tannenbaum is unfit for the job (not to mention his 14-18 career record as GM).

]]> By: SackDance99 http://www.thejetsblog.com/2008/06/10/daily-links-choose-your-top-twelve/comment-page-1/#comment-88255 SackDance99 Wed, 11 Jun 2008 21:58:03 +0000 http://www.thejetsblog.com/?p=4414#comment-88255 Actually, Franks was signed as insurance for Baker if he continued to complain about his contract. As Adam Schein said on "Jets Nation" the Jets' FO views Baker as their no. 3 TE. Also, Franks was hampered by the offense in Green Bay (not many receptions in the GB/Favre WR-centric offense), but he was a productive redzone target. From 2001-2004, he had 27 TDs, an average of nearly 7 TDs per season, which is pretty good for any TE not named Gates or Gonzalez. and even last season, when he only had 18 receptions, he had 3 TDs. I would expect that if Franks has 35 or more catches this season, he'll pair that with 7 TDs, which would be far more productive than Baker has ever been. Let the WRs or Keller have the extra catches, I want the Jets to be better in the redzone, which has been a major weakness for the Jets. Baker at 6-3 just isn't much of a redzone threat. Franks at 6-6 is much taller than any DB (by 5-8 inches) and taller than most OLBs. Baker just isn't, he may even be shorter than the average OLB (for instance, Vrabel is 6-4, Thomas 6-2). The Jets have many receiving options, but hardly any redzone threats...Bubba is a bona fide redzone threat and will be great on 3rd down. Actually, Franks was signed as insurance for Baker if he continued to complain about his contract. As Adam Schein said on “Jets Nation” the Jets’ FO views Baker as their no. 3 TE. Also, Franks was hampered by the offense in Green Bay (not many receptions in the GB/Favre WR-centric offense), but he was a productive redzone target. From 2001-2004, he had 27 TDs, an average of nearly 7 TDs per season, which is pretty good for any TE not named Gates or Gonzalez. and even last season, when he only had 18 receptions, he had 3 TDs. I would expect that if Franks has 35 or more catches this season, he’ll pair that with 7 TDs, which would be far more productive than Baker has ever been. Let the WRs or Keller have the extra catches, I want the Jets to be better in the redzone, which has been a major weakness for the Jets. Baker at 6-3 just isn’t much of a redzone threat. Franks at 6-6 is much taller than any DB (by 5-8 inches) and taller than most OLBs. Baker just isn’t, he may even be shorter than the average OLB (for instance, Vrabel is 6-4, Thomas 6-2). The Jets have many receiving options, but hardly any redzone threats…Bubba is a bona fide redzone threat and will be great on 3rd down.

]]> By: Reprocity http://www.thejetsblog.com/2008/06/10/daily-links-choose-your-top-twelve/comment-page-1/#comment-88229 Reprocity Wed, 11 Jun 2008 17:10:59 +0000 http://www.thejetsblog.com/?p=4414#comment-88229 I would much rather see Barrett winning a SB with another team than watching his make tackles on the recievers he was suppose to be covering. I would much rather see Barrett winning a SB with another team than watching his make tackles on the recievers he was suppose to be covering.

]]> By: Mike G http://www.thejetsblog.com/2008/06/10/daily-links-choose-your-top-twelve/comment-page-1/#comment-88215 Mike G Wed, 11 Jun 2008 16:16:39 +0000 http://www.thejetsblog.com/?p=4414#comment-88215 TimNy, why woudl the jets want to trade Thomas Jones? >Rushing for 1100 yards behind our pitiful offensive line was more than impressive, Jones is a good runningback and were lucky to have him. As far as David Barrett, he is underrated in the sense that some of you are acting as if he is terrible, which he is not. Although, I am sick of him giving wrs 10 yard cushions on every passing play, so I cant argue with that criticism of him. But, he is still a veteran cb with a lot of starting experience, he is a great tackler, and he knows how to make a play on the ball. Im sure he would start for several teams in the NFL, especially after seeing the Giants win a sb with subpar corners. TimNy, why woudl the jets want to trade Thomas Jones? >Rushing for 1100 yards behind our pitiful offensive line was more than impressive, Jones is a good runningback and were lucky to have him.

As far as David Barrett, he is underrated in the sense that some of you are acting as if he is terrible, which he is not. Although, I am sick of him giving wrs 10 yard cushions on every passing play, so I cant argue with that criticism of him. But, he is still a veteran cb with a lot of starting experience, he is a great tackler, and he knows how to make a play on the ball. Im sure he would start for several teams in the NFL, especially after seeing the Giants win a sb with subpar corners.

]]> By: DSmizzle http://www.thejetsblog.com/2008/06/10/daily-links-choose-your-top-twelve/comment-page-1/#comment-88196 DSmizzle Wed, 11 Jun 2008 15:20:55 +0000 http://www.thejetsblog.com/?p=4414#comment-88196 Reciprocity, you hit it on the head. People are overvaluing Franks, who never had all that many yards, and was never a Shockey or Gates or Winslow-type receiver. Just a big guy who with good hands who was useful in the red zone. You are 100% correct that his Pro Bowl appearances are more attributable to the competition rather than having had incredible stats. It was a very nice pickup, but he isn't as good as Baker at this point in his career. Additionally, he was added to be the 2nd TE, not the only traditional TE on the roster with experience and proven skills. Reciprocity, you hit it on the head. People are overvaluing Franks, who never had all that many yards, and was never a Shockey or Gates or Winslow-type receiver. Just a big guy who with good hands who was useful in the red zone.

You are 100% correct that his Pro Bowl appearances are more attributable to the competition rather than having had incredible stats.

It was a very nice pickup, but he isn’t as good as Baker at this point in his career. Additionally, he was added to be the 2nd TE, not the only traditional TE on the roster with experience and proven skills.

]]> By: Reprocity http://www.thejetsblog.com/2008/06/10/daily-links-choose-your-top-twelve/comment-page-1/#comment-88147 Reprocity Tue, 10 Jun 2008 23:48:13 +0000 http://www.thejetsblog.com/?p=4414#comment-88147 Being a short yardage threat is like being a lay-up specialist in basketball. I'm not a Franks hater and I looked up his stats and his best season was 02 and he had 54rec 442 and 7tds also he's never started a full 16 game season in his career. He would have never made the probowl in the AFC. Look at his stats http://www.nfl.com/players/bubbafranks/profile?id=FRA575108 The reason the past 2 seasons were Bakers best was because of Herm not giving him a chance just like he didnt give Cotchery. He sat behind Becht! Being a short yardage threat is like being a lay-up specialist in basketball. I’m not a Franks hater and I looked up his stats and his best season was 02 and he had 54rec 442 and 7tds also he’s never started a full 16 game season in his career. He would have never made the probowl in the AFC. Look at his stats
http://www.nfl.com/players/bubbafranks/profile?id=FRA575108

The reason the past 2 seasons were Bakers best was because of Herm not giving him a chance just like he didnt give Cotchery. He sat behind Becht!

]]> By: SackDance99 http://www.thejetsblog.com/2008/06/10/daily-links-choose-your-top-twelve/comment-page-1/#comment-88141 SackDance99 Tue, 10 Jun 2008 21:45:15 +0000 http://www.thejetsblog.com/?p=4414#comment-88141 Bubba Franks like Becht?!? Franks has 32 TD catches in his 9 year career; Baker has 12 in his 7 year career. Even last season, when Franks only played in 8 games and had only 18 receptions, he still hauled in 3 TD passes, which, you guessed it, is exatly the same Baker had in 15 games and 41 receptions. Plus, Franks is known for great hands, befitting a former 1st rounder from the "U" and a 3-time pro bowler. The knock on Franks is that his attitude took a big hit after his injury, which he didn't rehab well, and he hasn't regained his pro bowl form. A classic change of scenery guy. Put Franks in the Jets offense and he gets better overall numbers than Baker because he's just a better redzone and short yardage threat at 6-6. Look, I like Baker and he's improved every year he's been in the NFL, but he's just an average TE and may have hit his ceiling. Franks had as many as 9 TDs in a season, Baker's never had more than 4. The Jets have been terrible in redzone TD percentage during Baker's tenure. Is it his fault? No, but he's not helping matters either. Franks can help, he's a proven redzone weapon. If Bubba is motivated and can approach his pro bowl form, we'll all quickly forget Baker. Bubba Franks like Becht?!? Franks has 32 TD catches in his 9 year career; Baker has 12 in his 7 year career. Even last season, when Franks only played in 8 games and had only 18 receptions, he still hauled in 3 TD passes, which, you guessed it, is exatly the same Baker had in 15 games and 41 receptions. Plus, Franks is known for great hands, befitting a former 1st rounder from the “U” and a 3-time pro bowler. The knock on Franks is that his attitude took a big hit after his injury, which he didn’t rehab well, and he hasn’t regained his pro bowl form. A classic change of scenery guy. Put Franks in the Jets offense and he gets better overall numbers than Baker because he’s just a better redzone and short yardage threat at 6-6.

Look, I like Baker and he’s improved every year he’s been in the NFL, but he’s just an average TE and may have hit his ceiling. Franks had as many as 9 TDs in a season, Baker’s never had more than 4. The Jets have been terrible in redzone TD percentage during Baker’s tenure. Is it his fault? No, but he’s not helping matters either. Franks can help, he’s a proven redzone weapon. If Bubba is motivated and can approach his pro bowl form, we’ll all quickly forget Baker.

]]> By: TOON2388 http://www.thejetsblog.com/2008/06/10/daily-links-choose-your-top-twelve/comment-page-1/#comment-88140 TOON2388 Tue, 10 Jun 2008 21:37:56 +0000 http://www.thejetsblog.com/?p=4414#comment-88140 Silver played party politics to nix the stadium because Bloomberg wanted it. With the rest of the country seeing teams get stadium with mostly public funding, it was a travesty that Woody was willing to put up $1.6B and the city/state would not kick in $300MM. Would love to find a way to keep Bake, but if we do not it will not have the catastrphic effect trading Kendall did for 2007. Silver played party politics to nix the stadium because Bloomberg wanted it. With the rest of the country seeing teams get stadium with mostly public funding, it was a travesty that Woody was willing to put up $1.6B and the city/state would not kick in $300MM.

Would love to find a way to keep Bake, but if we do not it will not have the catastrphic effect trading Kendall did for 2007.

]]> By: JustAGreenGuy http://www.thejetsblog.com/2008/06/10/daily-links-choose-your-top-twelve/comment-page-1/#comment-88137 JustAGreenGuy Tue, 10 Jun 2008 21:10:43 +0000 http://www.thejetsblog.com/?p=4414#comment-88137 Our D is going to be our bread and butter. I hope it will be at least. What if last year was just great for Baker like 06 was for B. Thomas? I think if he played well for one more year he would have gotten extended next year. He is coming off a career year his value is peaked. It's the best time. Our D is going to be our bread and butter. I hope it will be at least.

What if last year was just great for Baker like 06 was for B. Thomas?

I think if he played well for one more year he would have gotten extended next year. He is coming off a career year his value is peaked. It’s the best time.

]]> By: JustAGreenGuy http://www.thejetsblog.com/2008/06/10/daily-links-choose-your-top-twelve/comment-page-1/#comment-88136 JustAGreenGuy Tue, 10 Jun 2008 21:06:45 +0000 http://www.thejetsblog.com/?p=4414#comment-88136 I'm aware of what the situation is, at this point all of us are. I'm not sure he would be the starter. If they changed the offense to include Keller and lessen the need for a blocking TE then he is a back up. I'd rather have him then Franks if he could have kept his mouth shut. He is trying to be Kendall 2 but he isn't Shockey and the Giants won the superbowl without him. I’m aware of what the situation is, at this point all of us are. I’m not sure he would be the starter. If they changed the offense to include Keller and lessen the need for a blocking TE then he is a back up. I’d rather have him then Franks if he could have kept his mouth shut.

He is trying to be Kendall 2 but he isn’t Shockey and the Giants won the superbowl without him.

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