Since you’re so in love with statistics, let me throw these out at you. Last year, Favre got to play against the league’s 31st, 23rd, and 19th ranked pass defenses twice and the 20th, 21st, 26th once. 9 of his 16 games were played against some of the worst pass defenses in the league.

In the rest of his games he had 1.4 TD/game (league avg against same competition =1.2/g) and 1.3 INT/g (L.A.=1.1/g), a 61.4% Comp % (58.9%), and like everyone else, a 1.1 TD/INT ratio. So, please, let’s keep things in perspective. It’s not like he’s coming off the the greatest season by a QB ever. he’s coming off a season where he took advantage of a weak schedule and was fairly average against the teams that didn’t suck.

if those FO stats weren’t flawed, then these wouldn’t be the numbers. The key is, statistics aside, you can use you own eyes to make a determination on a player’s ability. that’s how I’ve reached my conclusions. I just don’t think he’s good enough to put up with all the negatives that come with him.

What if he has it in him to have another great season, but wears down at the end of the year, so he is less effective in the postseason when he would need to be at his best? Would that make it worth the investment?

I also worry that he is “due” for an injury.

Bent, he may’ve looked old after a dispiriting OT playoff loss, but there was nothing statistically to suggest that he is deteriorating, which was my point.

actually, the central premise of my argument was that there are enough negatives around favre that outweigh the possible positives.

The fact that I don’t rely solely on statistics is based on my knowledge that you can twist stats to say anything you want them to. I’d much rather rely on my own eyes and what I’ve seen from favre over the last 3 years than some flawed (as i previously pointed out with the FO article) stat. This isn’t to say that I discount all statistics – I just pick and choose which ones I believe are true indicators of reality.

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you have once again responded to me without addressing a single argument, other than the jokey pain killers comment. good job.

and the last OL to put points on the board was not Jumbo, but the last points that the jets scored. More than any other sport, football is a TEAM sport – and a good Oline is the foundation for anything you do on offense. Just because they aren’t “skill” position players doesn’t mean that they don’t contribute to the offense’s performance.

(except at the end of the Giants game where he looked like an exhausted old man).

Other than that, it’s a good post. Saying Favre makes terrible decisions completely ignores all the good things he does, like throw for 4000 yards a season and a bunch of TDs. It’s the same dismissiveness with which Pennington is labelled as a “noodle arm” based on one or two weak throws a game, which other quarterbacks are also often guilty of when pressured, off balance or indecisive. Any success someone can achieve in spite of their weaknesses is still a success.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3276536

Now, saying Favre makes “terrible” decisions is simply one of those subjective throwaway lines that is meaningless. Why, because the guy with the most TDs, wins, pass attempts and completions has also thrown the most INTs? Please. Babe Ruth used to have the most home runs and strikeouts, I guess that means he made lots of terrible decisions, too. Favre as a “selfish” player? A player who has never missed an NFL start? Why, because he’s been in his front office’s face for the last 5-6 years for not improving the team and taking some of the pressure off of his shoulders? Yeah, if I’m Favre shouldn’t I be pissed if I have 5 or more years left, but my team decides to waste a late-first round pick on a QB? That’s a great message.

Objectively, Favre is a great QB, a certain Hall of Famer, is coming off of a great, Pro Bowl season and has shown no signs of physical detioration. QB is by far the most important position in all of pro sports and the Jets need a QB. And, yes, the NFL is not fantasy football, but veteran QBs have a track record of not skipping a beat upon joining a new team. McNair, Garcia, Brees, Vinny T, Montana, etc. Objectively, Favre would help this team by filling a glaring need with a superior player at his position. Subjectively, if you don’t like Favre, so be it. But, from an objective football perspective, obtaining Favre is a no-brainer, except for the cap implications, which, I think, can be addressed (Chad, Barrett and the foregone salary of the draft pick given up may be closer to equaling Favre’s salary than you think).

I’ve found in my profession that many of the most talented are also the most insecure. Maybe Favre wants to be wanted or believes that he has earned the right (even if the notion is ridiculous from a business perspective) to negotiate with any team in the NFL. The fact remains that the Jets are uniquely capable of meeting both Favre’s and the Pack’s concerns. The Jets have acquired enough talent to show Favre that they want to win, now, and are comitted to fielding a winning team. New York is the place where even legends can cement their reputations; Favre should welcome the challege. Maybe Woody has to get involved and court Favre. For the Pack, the Jets are the perfect team. They are in the AFC and don’t play the Pack in the regular season until 2010 (and that game will be at the new Meadowlands). A deal might not happen, but Favre going to the Jets is a logical move for all the parties involved.

Anyone who fails to see the role of doctors and pharmaceutical companies as the largest drug pushers in America is naive.

Secondly, I take exception to the questioning of my football knowledge. I am a fan just like you, not an armchair QB, or pretend sports journalist with an agenda. I watch and study the intricacies of the sport we love with intense enthusiasm and a deep understanding of the subtle nuances most people miss.

Lastly, I don’t care about personalities, and don’t particularly like Farve…he appears to be a tad off the wall and selfish. He can win more games for us then who we have and get out team some much needed attention and respect.

Our team has had in its entire history one great QB. We are bad at making decisions about this position, and have had many chances to draft a franchise QB and took guys like Swiss cheese Furgerson as a number 4 pick.

And yes I understand the importance of linemen, but the last one who put points on the board for us was Jumbo Elliot….and guys you need to score to win.

Clearly Favre is your type of guy, which is fine, but that doesn’t mean that he will work. Just because you perceive him to be a maverick (Top Gun) does not mean it will work here. That may be a detriment in fact.

And Randy Moss did not change his stripes. He dogged it in LA and acted like a baby to get traded for piddling. I think any teammate of his would like to take a blindside shot at him for knowing that he wasn’t giving 100% just because he was unhappy. He is me first and just because he can keep his mouth shut doesn’t disprove that to me. It is not professionalism it is solely talent. He should be sued for breach of contract and banned from the NFL (especially for going to the Cheatriots).

Why would he not, meaning Favre, be able to do more you ask? Well for one he’s 38, coming out of retirement which he has been contemplating for 3 or 4 years, doesn’t know the system, hasn’t won a SB since `96-`97 (when he was 28), will have to meet new players and coaches in a new place, find out what he and everyone is capable of in a new system, with different terminology, different plays, in short time, getting to know his new surroundings, which means the coaches would have a limited play book, thus restricting their game plan, and besides which he doesn’t want to be here.

You sound very convinced. I am not at all. Like some have said this can’t disappear fast enough for me. If we were possibly getting a young proven QB, like in the Rivers/Brees situation, then I would think differently because that would enhance long term potential but this short term thing has been tried and it just leaves them in a hole the following year.

if you don’t believe that offensive linemen can be weapons, then clearly you don’t understand football. also, if you think the tjones acquisition doesn’t count just because he couldn’t produce behind a terrible offensive line, then again, you clearly just don’t understand football.

and for anyone who can say “who cares” about the press gushing over a player, you clearly don’t watch enough football (this is becoming a trend here) – packers games to be exact. The incessant, mind-numbing, nothing else matters, there’s nothing else to talk about, effusive chatter for a full 3 hours week in and week out during games (and more if you listen to WFAN or read the papers) would be unbearable. who cares? someone who wants to actually enjoy the football season. that’s who.