Clarification: Peter King Still Knows You Hate Your Team And Applies Even Worse Logic
Peter King is at it again today in his MMQB Tuesday Edition defending his terrible logic with more terrible logic. KSK grabbed this one yesterday and ran with it, and for that, we thank them immensely.
Let’s stoke it up, FJM-style again …
Okay. Here are my five responses:
1. I love the anger and the bitterness and the raw feelings. Shows you all care, which I appreciate, and I do appreciate your heavy response.
In other words, “I am addressing this because you’ve choked SI’s mailserver and the admin read me the riot act and I also realized that I live amongst you all and I fear for my life.”
2. Let’s say in four years, when Kobe Bryant is considered one of the 10 best players of all time, he migrates to the Knicks in free agency, and the Knicks play their opening exhibition game at Madison Square Garden against the Wizards. You think there’d be an empty seat in the house? Dream on. That’s what this is. Brett Favre, the legend, playing his first game outside of Green Bay after being the sole focus of the sports world for three weeks. I don’t care if he plays 14 snaps — which he did — or 40. If you’re a real Jets fan, and you’ve got tickets, and you’re not out of town, you’d be there.
Logic clearly isn’t your strong suit. To make your point more clear, you use a hypothetical point that just underscores the current situation and the way you already perceive it. Rather than giving the reader a tangible similar real-life example (like digging up some attendance information on Joe Montana’s first game at Arrowhead, for instance that proves the point), you trot out a fictional scenario that you get to set the boundaries and outcome on to make your point again.
[Slow clap]
You really showed us.
3. The fans aren’t doling out extra money to see this game. They’ve already paid for the tickets. We’re talking about 45,000 season-ticket-holders who chose not to come to the game. They chose to say, “We’ll stay home rather than experience one of the great moments in the recent history of our franchise.” Sorry. I’ve got a problem with that.
I’ll speak for myself. I had a free ticket made available to me, or could have slipped in free with press access to the game and gotten soundbites from Favre and rubbed fat elbows with King himself and set him straight before he wroth this schlock had I wanted to. But I had a prior commitment … my in-laws were coming in town and a friend needed help moving so I couldn’t drive down from Boston. Had I been free, I would have gone. Favre just appeared on the team just a few days ago, and these plans were set months back.
Do I wish all season ticketholders went to all preseason games or that the Meadowlands was full before kickoff? Of course. Do I do my best when I attend? You’re damn right I do. But I live in a place called reality. So seriously Peter, you’re just making it worse. Clearly you did not study or just don’t understand simple economics like opportunity cost. So I’ve now realized this is like logically reasoning with a four year old … there’s just no use to it.
I’ll reserve judgement on how devoted the Jets fanbase us once the seaon actually starts. If the stadium is half empty for the kickoff of Favre versus Brady … then I’ll swing the hammer.
4. And to Steve, the season-ticket-holder from Long Island: It is a crime that you have to pay regular-season prices for these fraudulent games. You are being abused. I sympathize with you. But you’ve paid for the year, right? The tickets are in your possession, right? You’ve sat through so dismal days in the Meadowlands in recent years, right? I guess my question is: What’s your level of devotion to this team, really, if you won’t give up half of a Saturday to see Brett Favre quarterback your team on your home field with tickets you’ve already paid for, even if it’s only for two series? Sorry. I don’t get it.
OK … now you’ve done it. You were close to the edge and now you’ve gone over. Jets fans have been figuratively been poked in the eye for almost forty years so to question someone who holds season tickets, watches every game, lives and dies with the team is probably a major mistake. Once a columnist starts questioning the devotion level of fans individual or otherwise, there’s pretty much no going back from there. That’s like insulting someone’s mother or wife … let’s just not go there.
5. I take nothing back.
I’ll give you credit here. At least you didn’t look like a total fool and back down off burning our fanbase yesterday. The ship to your argument is already sinking, so you might as go down with it look dignified though foolish for doing so.
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This guy is a jerk. Never really bought into all the hype about him. This is an extremely pompous article by Queen.
Basically, he acts as if everyone has as much money and resources as he does. Is it as easy for me to plop down $100 or so for face value from a friend who makes the ticket available as it would be for him!? HELL NO! I have about $300 of total disposable income the 2nd half of the month and am getting DESTROYED by student loans. However, I’d LOVE to have been there!
I hate Peter King. Its like some rich guy wondering why there are so many Hyundai Elantra’s on the road!!!
Peter King = douceschnozzle.
Hahaha, another Peter King example:
“Why do so many people go to Appelby’s in their hometown when they could take a limo into Manhattan and go to Smith & Wollensky’s?”
if PK wants to buy my 2 Giants-Jets tix, as well as my 2 in-tact Skins-Jets stubs — for FACE — he can cut me a check for $300 and send it to me at the beach, where i planned to be months ago.
As soon as I read his piece this morning and saw the Kobe comparrison the first thing I did was try and find attendance on Montana’s preseason debut. I had no luck. If anyone knows those figures I would love to know.
thats it…just keep throwing JET FUEL on the FIRE!!!
Here is our hope: Tom Brady, recovering from 2 blown ACLs after being crushed by Gholston & Pace Week 2 2008, is making his Raider debut in a 2010 pre-season game. The actaul attendance is 16,500. King’s head explodes.
I am not siding with King, but the stadium looked full for the Giants last night. Why the difference or is it due to their being SuperBowl champs? The local reporters in GB made a big deal about the stadium being half full for Favre’s debut. He never played in anything but sellouts in GB, but obviously there is less to do in GB.
If Kobe Bryant were traded to the Knicks (and i’m a huge knick fan) i still wouldnt go to a preseason game… It’s funny, all we hear about is that preseason games are “meaningless” and that the fans are getting screwed by having to pay full price for them – Peter King even says so himself!!
you have to be a real idiot to fault someone for NOT going to a preseason game.
dcpackerfan,
One game was on a summer weekend — one on a summer midweek night. The entire NJ/NY area empties out during summer/ August weekends.
Pre-season remains a sham for the fans; another less-than subtle extortion of the fans by the owners.
Paid for the ticket — yes – need further insult for a practice game with third-stringers? no.
King is paid to attend… we don’t need to pay to attend.
dcpackerfan – Giants fan-base was always Manhattan/Bronx/Westchester/NJ based and they have been in NJ for over 30 years. JETS fanbase is primarily Brooklyn/Queens/Nassau/Suffolk – commute is much longer to the Swamps
Here’s a more logical comparison – how about when Jerry Rice (HoF WR and favorite target of a certain Mr. Montana) joined the Raiders at the end of his run with the 49ers? Or even better, how about when he finished his career with the Seahawks?
Still a HoF player, but I’m pretty sure the seats in the Black Hole and in Seattle weren’t packed out for his PRE-SEASON appearance…anybody got the figures?
“how about when Jerry Rice (HoF WR and favorite target of a certain Mr. Montana) joined the Raiders at the end of his run with the 49ers? Or even better, how about when he finished his career with the Seahawks?
Still a HoF player, but I’m pretty sure the seats in the Black Hole and in Seattle weren’t packed out for his PRE-SEASON appearance…anybody got the figures?”
Yep…
Paid attendance 37,978 per NFL.com gamebook. At a 63,000 seater stadium.
That’s PAID attendance.
As for Kobe, bad example. If he signed for my team, I wouldn’t watch another game until they got rid of him again. No means no!
But to be fair there was a decent turnout for Montana (and Marcus Allen)….
McCarthy remembers his first game at Arrowhead Stadium as an offensive assistant coach. Seven years after concluding his playing career at nearby Baker University in Baldwin City, Kan., he was getting ready for the kickoff of Kansas City’s 1993 preseason home opener against the Buffalo Bills, the three-time defending AFC champions and the same team the Chiefs would face in the AFC Championship five months later. “There’s 70-some thousand people, and I’m up in the (coaches’) box with the windows open,” McCarthy recalled. “When they introduced Marcus Allen and he went running out of that tunnel with the crowd screaming, it was like, ‘My God, I’ve never heard anything like that.’ Then they introduced Joe Montana, and you thought the house was going to come down. And it was preseason! I played small-college football, and I’d never been around anything like that. That’s something I’ll always remember.”
Yo, S.I. need a researcher?
Well like we all know, Peter King is behind the cultural curve. Maybe he doesn’t know what a beach is.
Things I think I know: “Have you ever heard of this thing called the beach? There’s the ocean, and some sand, and the sun! Why, I think I’d might even bring some panera and some guiness in a cooler next time and spend all weekend there!”
dcpakerfan
I would guess the attendance for the Gints is part because people planned to go to the SB winning preseason home opener, unlike the 4-12 Jets who nobody could have foreseen getting Favre and thus did not plan for it.
Also, 80% of Giants fans sleep beneath Giants stadium because they would rather not deal with traffic – easier commute.
I like the Smith and Wolensky comparison. I mean why would anyone not want to spend the money on a meaningless game and pay for gas and parking and use 6 hours of their weekend traveling and in traffic to just spend more money on refreshments, that aren’t exactly fairly priced, when they could watch at home in comfort?
I thought, if nothing else, PK would try to address this and make nice but instead he put his fat feet into his gaping pie hole. He needs sensitivity training; and by that I mean a good dose of rendition.
Oh and if PK thought that it was so important to have more people in attendance, why didn’t he spend the cheddar on inviting a few thousand of his readers to watch his hero?
I mean, we as readers and fans should be fuming that such a wealthy personality didn’t buy us seats because that is what we think should happen – just like he thinks fans should attend we think he should rent a fleet of buses, stocked with beer, nachos and wings, and convoy a few thousand of us to preseason games.
I mean comeon! Peter you’ve let us down!
If you really hate Peter King, then put your money where you mouth is and cancel your subscription to SI. If enough people do this and Peter King will be gone.
Peter King is right. It was embarassing how few jet fans were at the game. Did you see the Giants game last night? not a seat was empty. I was at the je tgame saturday night, and it was empty.
There’s a lot of factors King overlooked. First, when the Jets moved to the Meadowlands thousands of Shea Stadium season ticket holders refused to buy tickets to see the Jets play in the enemy’s stadium. Someone like dcpackerfan wouldn’t understand the old AFL-NFL rivalry and how much older Jets fans hated the Giants. So, those season tickets were snapped out by Giants fans, who were unable to get Giants season tickets, but wanted to see NFL football, NFL fans, especially old AFL fans, and ticket brokers. I estimate that 1/3 of all “Jets season ticket holders” are not Jets fans. In context, a 60% filled stadium for a meaningless pre-season game on a summer weekend was a phenomenal turnout.
Second, the Knicks are THE NYC team and have been for years. There’s no divided loyalty. And, MSG seats 19,763; Giants Stadium seats 80,242.
Third, I thought there were more Jets fans at Saturday’s game than Giants fans at last night’s Browns game. Look at the Giants-Browns highlights, there were tons of empty seats in the lower level and the upper levels looked pretty empty.
Fourth, King failed to mention the 10,000 fans at Favre’s first practice at training camp or the 5,000-8,500 that have been showing up mid-week. That’s pretty good fan devotion.
I was at Saturday’s game an it was the most crowded non-Giants pre-season game I’ve been to since the Jets forced us to buy pre-seaon tickets around 10 years ago. As other fans have noted, King failed to put the Jets attendance into any sort of perspective.
I think Peter Queen is not taking to account that Jets-Giants is next week, and it’s a Jets home game, so Jets season ticket holders get it. If folks have planned to go to a preseason game, then that’s gonna be the one to see. PLUS, you’ll get to see much more of Favre, considering the starters play the most in the 3rd preseason game.
Honestly, I didn’t drop my groceries and log on to stub hub the second Favre got traded. Week 2 is the real test.
Mike G, I agree with Bob Wichusen, who on the highlights said the stadium was “half to two-thirds full” and, IMO, at least as full as it was last night for the Giants. Like I said, a phenomenal turnout for a summer Saturday night.
I’ve had season tix since ‘99 and i’ve never been to ONE preseason game. Most years i couldn’t even give away the tix. This year i gave them to someone i work with who had to give up his season tix. it was never even a thought in my mind to attend. September 14 is Favre’s real debut
I can’t wait for the redux of this article when the new Giants Stadium opens:
“Jets fans are the worst fans in the NFL. If you’re not willing to get a second mortgage to pay for your PSL and watch brett favre for another season, then you hate football.”
peter king should die of gonorrhea and rot in hell
I was at the Jets/Giants preseason game (Free tickets) last year and it was a Giants home game and the stadium was pretty empty. The only reason the stadium was packed was it was the 1st home game since the SB victory. Maybe im wrong but Brett Favre hasnt won a SB with the Jets, so maybe when he does I will go to the preseason game and pay $80 a ticket
Ed(itor)
Sadly, now that he’s on the web, it’s free. Also no matter how much he drives fans crazy, his connections league-wide are some of the best … which makes it a love/hate must read.
The Jets need their own stadium , but where they play will have to do. Peter Queen is a joke BTW.
Interesting that King draws the comparison to the Knicks, seeing how they are owned by Jimmy Dolan and Cablevision – the most outspoken opponents of the West side stadium project. The fact that many Jets fans perpetually commute long times and distances to support their team is unique in the NFL and should not be ignored.
A more basic fact than the above is that most informed fans just don’t drink the Kool Aid and blindly follow. That’s not what they do in Cincinnati (where King got his start) and they don’t do it in NY. Bringing Favre in is a great PR move and potential upgrade to this team – but everyone knows it’s not a long term solution. Fans will rightly wait and see how this works out. Expecting every Jets fan in NY to drop what they’re doing to watch Favre take 15 snaps in what amounts to a scrimmage is naive. Criticizing these fans is ignorant.