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	<title>Comments on: Clarification: Peter King Still Knows You Hate Your Team And Applies Even Worse Logic</title>
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		<title>By: cbiscuit</title>
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		<dc:creator>cbiscuit</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Aug 2008 13:41:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Interesting that King draws the comparison to the Knicks, seeing how they are owned by Jimmy Dolan and Cablevision - the most outspoken opponents of the West side stadium project.   The fact that many Jets fans perpetually commute long times and distances to support their team is unique in the NFL and should not be ignored.

A more basic fact than the above is that most informed fans just don&#039;t drink the Kool Aid and blindly follow.  That&#039;s not what they do in Cincinnati (where King got his start) and they don&#039;t do it in NY.  Bringing Favre in is a great PR move and potential upgrade to this team - but everyone knows it&#039;s not a long term solution.  Fans will rightly wait and see how this works out.  Expecting every Jets fan in NY to drop what they&#039;re doing to watch Favre take 15 snaps in what amounts to a scrimmage is naive.  Criticizing these fans is ignorant.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting that King draws the comparison to the Knicks, seeing how they are owned by Jimmy Dolan and Cablevision &#8211; the most outspoken opponents of the West side stadium project.   The fact that many Jets fans perpetually commute long times and distances to support their team is unique in the NFL and should not be ignored.</p>
<p>A more basic fact than the above is that most informed fans just don&#8217;t drink the Kool Aid and blindly follow.  That&#8217;s not what they do in Cincinnati (where King got his start) and they don&#8217;t do it in NY.  Bringing Favre in is a great PR move and potential upgrade to this team &#8211; but everyone knows it&#8217;s not a long term solution.  Fans will rightly wait and see how this works out.  Expecting every Jets fan in NY to drop what they&#8217;re doing to watch Favre take 15 snaps in what amounts to a scrimmage is naive.  Criticizing these fans is ignorant.</p>
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		<title>By: James in TN</title>
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		<dc:creator>James in TN</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Aug 2008 08:48:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Jets need their own stadium , but where they play will have to do.  Peter Queen is a joke BTW.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Jets need their own stadium , but where they play will have to do.  Peter Queen is a joke BTW.</p>
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		<title>By: Bassett</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bassett</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Aug 2008 02:49:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ed(itor)

Sadly, now that he&#039;s on the web, it&#039;s free.  Also no matter how much he drives fans crazy, his connections league-wide are some of the best ... which makes it a love/hate must read.</description>
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<p>Sadly, now that he&#8217;s on the web, it&#8217;s free.  Also no matter how much he drives fans crazy, his connections league-wide are some of the best &#8230; which makes it a love/hate must read.</p>
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		<title>By: nelson17</title>
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		<dc:creator>nelson17</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Aug 2008 02:33:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was at the Jets/Giants preseason game (Free tickets) last year and it was a Giants home game and the stadium was pretty empty. The only reason the stadium was packed was it was the 1st home game since the SB victory. Maybe im wrong but Brett Favre hasnt won a SB with the Jets, so maybe when he does I will go to the preseason game and pay $80 a ticket</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was at the Jets/Giants preseason game (Free tickets) last year and it was a Giants home game and the stadium was pretty empty. The only reason the stadium was packed was it was the 1st home game since the SB victory. Maybe im wrong but Brett Favre hasnt won a SB with the Jets, so maybe when he does I will go to the preseason game and pay $80 a ticket</p>
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		<title>By: Brandon "You're With Me"riweather</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brandon "You're With Me"riweather</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Aug 2008 02:25:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I can&#039;t wait for the redux of this article when the new Giants Stadium opens:

&quot;Jets fans are the worst fans in the NFL.  If you&#039;re not willing to get a second mortgage to pay for your PSL and watch brett favre for another season, then you hate football.&quot;

peter king should die of gonorrhea and rot in hell</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I can&#8217;t wait for the redux of this article when the new Giants Stadium opens:</p>
<p>&#8220;Jets fans are the worst fans in the NFL.  If you&#8217;re not willing to get a second mortgage to pay for your PSL and watch brett favre for another season, then you hate football.&#8221;</p>
<p>peter king should die of gonorrhea and rot in hell</p>
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		<title>By: J2B</title>
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		<dc:creator>J2B</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Aug 2008 01:38:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve had season tix since &#039;99 and i&#039;ve never been to ONE preseason game.  Most years i couldn&#039;t even give away the tix.  This year i gave them to someone i work with who had to give up his season tix.  it was never even a thought in my mind to attend.  September 14 is Favre&#039;s real debut</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve had season tix since &#8216;99 and i&#8217;ve never been to ONE preseason game.  Most years i couldn&#8217;t even give away the tix.  This year i gave them to someone i work with who had to give up his season tix.  it was never even a thought in my mind to attend.  September 14 is Favre&#8217;s real debut</p>
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		<title>By: SackDance99</title>
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		<dc:creator>SackDance99</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Aug 2008 21:55:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mike G, I agree with Bob Wichusen, who on the highlights said the stadium was &quot;half to two-thirds full&quot; and, IMO, at least as full as it was last night for the Giants.  Like I said, a phenomenal turnout for a summer Saturday night.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mike G, I agree with Bob Wichusen, who on the highlights said the stadium was &#8220;half to two-thirds full&#8221; and, IMO, at least as full as it was last night for the Giants.  Like I said, a phenomenal turnout for a summer Saturday night.</p>
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		<title>By: Dave Heinz</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dave Heinz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Aug 2008 21:44:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think Peter Queen is not taking to account that Jets-Giants is next week, and it&#039;s a Jets home game, so Jets season ticket holders get it.  If folks have planned to go to a preseason game, then that&#039;s gonna be the one to see.  PLUS, you&#039;ll get to see much more of Favre, considering the starters play the most in the 3rd preseason game.

Honestly, I didn&#039;t drop my groceries and log on to stub hub the second Favre got traded.  Week 2 is the real test.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think Peter Queen is not taking to account that Jets-Giants is next week, and it&#8217;s a Jets home game, so Jets season ticket holders get it.  If folks have planned to go to a preseason game, then that&#8217;s gonna be the one to see.  PLUS, you&#8217;ll get to see much more of Favre, considering the starters play the most in the 3rd preseason game.</p>
<p>Honestly, I didn&#8217;t drop my groceries and log on to stub hub the second Favre got traded.  Week 2 is the real test.</p>
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		<title>By: SackDance99</title>
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		<dc:creator>SackDance99</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Aug 2008 21:41:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There&#039;s a lot of factors King overlooked.  First, when the Jets moved to the Meadowlands thousands of Shea Stadium season ticket holders refused to buy tickets to see the Jets play in the enemy&#039;s stadium.  Someone like dcpackerfan wouldn&#039;t understand the old AFL-NFL rivalry and how much older Jets fans hated the Giants.  So, those season tickets were snapped out by Giants fans, who were unable to get Giants season tickets, but wanted to see NFL football, NFL fans, especially old AFL fans, and ticket brokers.  I estimate that 1/3 of all &quot;Jets season ticket holders&quot; are not Jets fans.  In context, a 60% filled stadium for a meaningless pre-season game on a summer weekend was a phenomenal turnout.

Second, the Knicks are THE NYC team and have been for years.  There&#039;s no divided loyalty.  And, MSG seats 19,763; Giants Stadium seats 80,242. 

Third, I thought there were more Jets fans at Saturday&#039;s game than Giants fans at last night&#039;s Browns game.  Look at the Giants-Browns highlights, there were tons of empty seats in the lower level and the upper levels looked pretty empty.

Fourth, King failed to mention the 10,000 fans at Favre&#039;s first practice at training camp or the 5,000-8,500 that have been showing up mid-week.  That&#039;s pretty good fan devotion.

I was at Saturday&#039;s game an it was the most crowded non-Giants pre-season game I&#039;ve been to since the Jets forced us to buy pre-seaon tickets around 10 years ago.  As other fans have noted, King failed to put the Jets attendance into any sort of perspective.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There&#8217;s a lot of factors King overlooked.  First, when the Jets moved to the Meadowlands thousands of Shea Stadium season ticket holders refused to buy tickets to see the Jets play in the enemy&#8217;s stadium.  Someone like dcpackerfan wouldn&#8217;t understand the old AFL-NFL rivalry and how much older Jets fans hated the Giants.  So, those season tickets were snapped out by Giants fans, who were unable to get Giants season tickets, but wanted to see NFL football, NFL fans, especially old AFL fans, and ticket brokers.  I estimate that 1/3 of all &#8220;Jets season ticket holders&#8221; are not Jets fans.  In context, a 60% filled stadium for a meaningless pre-season game on a summer weekend was a phenomenal turnout.</p>
<p>Second, the Knicks are THE NYC team and have been for years.  There&#8217;s no divided loyalty.  And, MSG seats 19,763; Giants Stadium seats 80,242. </p>
<p>Third, I thought there were more Jets fans at Saturday&#8217;s game than Giants fans at last night&#8217;s Browns game.  Look at the Giants-Browns highlights, there were tons of empty seats in the lower level and the upper levels looked pretty empty.</p>
<p>Fourth, King failed to mention the 10,000 fans at Favre&#8217;s first practice at training camp or the 5,000-8,500 that have been showing up mid-week.  That&#8217;s pretty good fan devotion.</p>
<p>I was at Saturday&#8217;s game an it was the most crowded non-Giants pre-season game I&#8217;ve been to since the Jets forced us to buy pre-seaon tickets around 10 years ago.  As other fans have noted, King failed to put the Jets attendance into any sort of perspective.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike G</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike G</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Aug 2008 21:40:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Peter King is right.  It was embarassing how few jet fans were at the game.  Did you see the Giants game last night?  not a seat was empty.  I was at the je tgame saturday night, and it was empty.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Peter King is right.  It was embarassing how few jet fans were at the game.  Did you see the Giants game last night?  not a seat was empty.  I was at the je tgame saturday night, and it was empty.</p>
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