Comments on: Keeping Clowney http://www.thejetsblog.com/2008/08/19/keeping-clowney/ Ranting and Raving about the Gang Green Sun, 21 Mar 2010 13:52:10 -0400 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.1 hourly 1 By: subwayfare http://www.thejetsblog.com/2008/08/19/keeping-clowney/comment-page-1/#comment-96749 subwayfare Wed, 20 Aug 2008 03:16:45 +0000 http://www.thejetsblog.com/?p=4997#comment-96749 I broke my collar bone in high school. I wouldn't be so certain it's going to heal to NFL football strength in twelve weeks. Maybe with surgery, pins and whatever - in my day they just threw you in a sling bandaged to your body and hoped for the best - but those roster spots are valuable. Wouldn't surprise me to see him IR'd since he's only had a couple of good preseason games. Granted, he showed flashes in those two games, enough not to cut or expose him on the practice squad. IR, fresh start and deal next year would be my guess. I broke my collar bone in high school. I wouldn’t be so certain it’s going to heal to NFL football strength in twelve weeks. Maybe with surgery, pins and whatever – in my day they just threw you in a sling bandaged to your body and hoped for the best – but those roster spots are valuable. Wouldn’t surprise me to see him IR’d since he’s only had a couple of good preseason games. Granted, he showed flashes in those two games, enough not to cut or expose him on the practice squad. IR, fresh start and deal next year would be my guess.

]]> By: Moyvore http://www.thejetsblog.com/2008/08/19/keeping-clowney/comment-page-1/#comment-96742 Moyvore Wed, 20 Aug 2008 01:11:44 +0000 http://www.thejetsblog.com/?p=4997#comment-96742 Bolland reports today that: "The Jets signed 6-4, 225-pound receiver Larry Brackins, who spent the previous two seasons with the Philadelphia Soul of the AFL. Brackins, out of Pearl River CC (Miss.), was selected in the fifth round by the Buccaneers in 2005." Had (maybe still does) the same agent as Fauve according to Brackins' big 2005 Sporting News article. http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m1208/is_10_229/ai_n12937454/pg_1?tag=artBody;col1 No mention of his Wonderlic scores (it didn't have to). Ahem. I'm sure he compensates with great football smarts. (At this point in Training Camp, even practice squad is probably a big stretch. But, who knows...) Bolland reports today that:

“The Jets signed 6-4, 225-pound receiver Larry Brackins, who spent the previous two seasons with the Philadelphia Soul of the AFL. Brackins, out of Pearl River CC (Miss.), was selected in the fifth round by the Buccaneers in 2005.”

Had (maybe still does) the same agent as Fauve according to Brackins’ big 2005 Sporting News article.

http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m1208/is_10_229/ai_n12937454/pg_1?tag=artBody;col1

No mention of his Wonderlic scores (it didn’t have to).

Ahem. I’m sure he compensates with great football smarts.

(At this point in Training Camp, even practice squad is probably a big stretch. But, who knows…)

]]> By: Brandon "You're With Me"riweather http://www.thejetsblog.com/2008/08/19/keeping-clowney/comment-page-1/#comment-96740 Brandon "You're With Me"riweather Wed, 20 Aug 2008 00:47:01 +0000 http://www.thejetsblog.com/?p=4997#comment-96740 Bent - Cotchery was a WR before getting to the NFL though. To expect Smith to duplicate those numbers while he's learning how to play the position for the first time seems unrealistic. i don't disagree that he should make the team as a backup - i just have lower expectations. Bent –
Cotchery was a WR before getting to the NFL though. To expect Smith to duplicate those numbers while he’s learning how to play the position for the first time seems unrealistic.

i don’t disagree that he should make the team as a backup – i just have lower expectations.

]]> By: jvsvn http://www.thejetsblog.com/2008/08/19/keeping-clowney/comment-page-1/#comment-96731 jvsvn Tue, 19 Aug 2008 22:46:55 +0000 http://www.thejetsblog.com/?p=4997#comment-96731 Let's face it. Coles, Cotch, and Smith are locks. It seems that the other 2 spots are being fought out by Clowney, Stuckey, Wright and Henry. Something's got to give. Either Clowney on IR, Henry on the practice squad with any one of the four being cut outright. It's a particularly hard problem because Wright is such a demon on special teams. He's the only one of the 4 that has PROVEN value to the team, albeit not as a WR. With only 53 spots, there is only so much room for potential on the roster. If I had to guess, Henry starts the season on the practice squad. Assuming Clowney's injury isn't serious enough for the IR, I think Wright is vulnerable. The team needs to have some weapons that take advantage of Favre's skills. Stuckey and a healthy Clowney make Farced. However, that will be a very painful cut. Let’s face it. Coles, Cotch, and Smith are locks. It seems that the other 2 spots are being fought out by Clowney, Stuckey, Wright and Henry. Something’s got to give. Either Clowney on IR, Henry on the practice squad with any one of the four being cut outright. It’s a particularly hard problem because Wright is such a demon on special teams. He’s the only one of the 4 that has PROVEN value to the team, albeit not as a WR. With only 53 spots, there is only so much room for potential on the roster. If I had to guess, Henry starts the season on the practice squad. Assuming Clowney’s injury isn’t serious enough for the IR, I think Wright is vulnerable. The team needs to have some weapons that take advantage of Favre’s skills. Stuckey and a healthy Clowney make Farced. However, that will be a very painful cut.

]]> By: Bent http://www.thejetsblog.com/2008/08/19/keeping-clowney/comment-page-1/#comment-96728 Bent Tue, 19 Aug 2008 22:22:06 +0000 http://www.thejetsblog.com/?p=4997#comment-96728 I've posted this before several times on Brad Smith: “…it is not out of the question for Smith to put up excellent numbers this year… Year 1 - 9-61 Year 2 - 32-325-2TD Year 3 - ??? Compare with Cotchery’s numbers: Year 1 - 6-60 Year 2 - 19-251 Year 3 - 82-961-6TD “ If Smith can even do half of what Cotchery did in year three that would justify a back-up WR spot. He just needs to cut out the drops and make a few more impact plays, which is more likely now that the Jets have increased playmaking ability. Still, right now, he's probably on the bubble. I’ve posted this before several times on Brad Smith:

“…it is not out of the question for Smith to put up excellent numbers this year…

Year 1 – 9-61
Year 2 – 32-325-2TD
Year 3 – ???

Compare with Cotchery’s numbers:

Year 1 – 6-60
Year 2 – 19-251
Year 3 – 82-961-6TD “

If Smith can even do half of what Cotchery did in year three that would justify a back-up WR spot. He just needs to cut out the drops and make a few more impact plays, which is more likely now that the Jets have increased playmaking ability. Still, right now, he’s probably on the bubble.

]]> By: SackDance99 http://www.thejetsblog.com/2008/08/19/keeping-clowney/comment-page-1/#comment-96727 SackDance99 Tue, 19 Aug 2008 22:15:58 +0000 http://www.thejetsblog.com/?p=4997#comment-96727 Only his doctors and the Jets staff know how long he'll be out. If, as Brandon speculates, he's out half a season, then he should be placed on IR. No matter how promising he is, having a player take up a valuable roster spot for 1/2 the season is nuts. If he's out until the October 12th game (after the bye and missing just 4 games), then it's a harder decision. Favre could use a zone buster and Clowney looks like a bona fide deep threat. If there's any doubt, IR him. On a related note, why no love for Brad Smith? He's a special teams demon and a dynamic open field runner...that was a nice reverse against the Redskins. I like his size and open field ability...I actually like him more than I like Stuckey, but I know I'm probably in the minority here. I think he gives the team greater flexibility because Stuckey has to play the slot when he's in, but Smith could be outside with Coles or Keller (depending on the defense) in the slot. Only his doctors and the Jets staff know how long he’ll be out. If, as Brandon speculates, he’s out half a season, then he should be placed on IR. No matter how promising he is, having a player take up a valuable roster spot for 1/2 the season is nuts. If he’s out until the October 12th game (after the bye and missing just 4 games), then it’s a harder decision. Favre could use a zone buster and Clowney looks like a bona fide deep threat. If there’s any doubt, IR him.

On a related note, why no love for Brad Smith? He’s a special teams demon and a dynamic open field runner…that was a nice reverse against the Redskins. I like his size and open field ability…I actually like him more than I like Stuckey, but I know I’m probably in the minority here. I think he gives the team greater flexibility because Stuckey has to play the slot when he’s in, but Smith could be outside with Coles or Keller (depending on the defense) in the slot.

]]> By: Bent http://www.thejetsblog.com/2008/08/19/keeping-clowney/comment-page-1/#comment-96726 Bent Tue, 19 Aug 2008 22:11:25 +0000 http://www.thejetsblog.com/?p=4997#comment-96726 Actually he ran a 4.35! That's what Clowney is - a raw guy with track speed who is improving his receiving skills. Yes, so far he looks good and hopefully he continues to do so. I am just saying that it's a difficult decision to cut a Wright, Ball or Henry just so you can keep him based on two games. In Green Bay, he couldn't hold onto the ball (and it was a weakness at VT too), so it is good that he has improved that aspect of his game, as it means the Jets might have got great value. The only thing I have heard him do wrong in camp is to run a bad route, leading to a pick. And he probably is (was) the only legit deep threat on the team. By all means stash him on IR or whatever, but the guy is only signed up to the end of the season, so they're still probably going to have to compete with other teams to re-sign him, so that doesn't really "protect" him, does it? (He's on a one year "futures" contract, like Ratliff). Actually he ran a 4.35! That’s what Clowney is – a raw guy with track speed who is improving his receiving skills. Yes, so far he looks good and hopefully he continues to do so. I am just saying that it’s a difficult decision to cut a Wright, Ball or Henry just so you can keep him based on two games.

In Green Bay, he couldn’t hold onto the ball (and it was a weakness at VT too), so it is good that he has improved that aspect of his game, as it means the Jets might have got great value. The only thing I have heard him do wrong in camp is to run a bad route, leading to a pick. And he probably is (was) the only legit deep threat on the team.

By all means stash him on IR or whatever, but the guy is only signed up to the end of the season, so they’re still probably going to have to compete with other teams to re-sign him, so that doesn’t really “protect” him, does it?

(He’s on a one year “futures” contract, like Ratliff).

]]> By: Brandon "You're With Me"riweather http://www.thejetsblog.com/2008/08/19/keeping-clowney/comment-page-1/#comment-96724 Brandon "You're With Me"riweather Tue, 19 Aug 2008 21:52:39 +0000 http://www.thejetsblog.com/?p=4997#comment-96724 Exactly what I thought. That said, I don't see how we can let him eat up a roster spot for half the year while injured, when he's shown you nothing but 2 good PRESEASON games playing against 2ND and 3RD stringers. He'll should go on IR. Exactly what I thought. That said, I don’t see how we can let him eat up a roster spot for half the year while injured, when he’s shown you nothing but 2 good PRESEASON games playing against 2ND and 3RD stringers.

He’ll should go on IR.

]]> By: HOZ THE JET http://www.thejetsblog.com/2008/08/19/keeping-clowney/comment-page-1/#comment-96721 HOZ THE JET Tue, 19 Aug 2008 21:42:53 +0000 http://www.thejetsblog.com/?p=4997#comment-96721 clowney is better than stuckey hands down. clowney is better than stuckey hands down.

]]> By: Andrew Weiss http://www.thejetsblog.com/2008/08/19/keeping-clowney/comment-page-1/#comment-96716 Andrew Weiss Tue, 19 Aug 2008 21:36:38 +0000 http://www.thejetsblog.com/?p=4997#comment-96716 Bent, Keller had a drop too. I haven't seen Clowney drop any in practice. His hands are not suspect from what I've seen. Clowney outran a safety and corner twice, in game 1. Admittedly, these guys were second and third stringers but he beat double coverage. Until the start of last night's Giant game, Clowney was leading the preseason NFL in receiving. Having seen all these guys, Clowney looks like a legitimate deep threat. Something we haven't had since Moss was traded. Stuckey and Smith are excellent receivers but I don't see the kind of speed that scares corners. They might well replace Coles and Cotchery but a deep threat is a different animal. BTW, he ran the 40 in 4.37 at the combine. Bent,

Keller had a drop too. I haven’t seen Clowney drop any in practice. His hands are not suspect from what I’ve seen.

Clowney outran a safety and corner twice, in game 1. Admittedly, these guys were second and third stringers but he beat double coverage. Until the start of last night’s Giant game, Clowney was leading the preseason NFL in receiving.

Having seen all these guys, Clowney looks like a legitimate deep threat. Something we haven’t had since Moss was traded. Stuckey and Smith are excellent receivers but I don’t see the kind of speed that scares corners. They might well replace Coles and Cotchery but a deep threat is a different animal. BTW, he ran the 40 in 4.37 at the combine.

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