Gamethread: Jets at Chargers 9/22/2008
Who: Jets at Chargers (-9)
When: 8:30PM ET
Where: Qualcomm Stadium, San Diego CA
TV: ESPN
Radio: ESPN 1050, WABC 770, Westwood One Network
Webstream?: Justin.tv
Weather: Cloudy – 64° F
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The Jets travel Week 3 to play a wounded Chargers team, a team that lost their first two games by a combined three points. The Jets will have to do their best to contain the Chargers big plays, and try to keep the ball moving against the team. One thing is for sure, the team can score points and is automatic from the Red Zone.
Storylines to consider today …
Jets Run Offense v. Chargers Run Defense - After last week’s ‘incident’ no one wants to hear it, and everyone’s talking about the passing game and how the Chargers are susceptible to it, but the running game is going to be as or more important to the Jets winning this game. If the Jets can get ahead and grind it will be key to keeping the Chargers Offense off the field. If the Jets can run the ball and wear down the defense, that will work to the Jets favor as well. San Diego has been worse when teams run the ball to the left side of the offensive formation, but with D’Brick, it’s not exactly a strength for the Jets so keep an eye on where the team looks to run it and see if they pull Brandon Moore or use a FB/TE to help create some space.
Jets Pass Offense v. Chargers Pass Defense - You’ve heard the phrase ‘make hay while the sun shines?’ Well, let’s just hope the sun is still shining. The Chargers have struggled in creating pressure on the quarterback, only notching two sacks in two games. This has exposed the secondary, and people are learning how to play around last year’s breakout player, Antonio Rodgers-Cromartie. The Jets would be wise to run Favre’s favorite pass — the slant — as much as they can on this defense.
Jets Run Defense v. Chargers Run Offense – Predictive scoring systems don’t seem to care that LaDanian Tomlinson might be limited in this game, and last week Darren Sproles underscored that point. Whoever the Chargers line up behind QB Philip Rivers, they are going to have a game-changer in their backfield. LaDanian can still be dangerous up the middle, but look for Sproles to try and work the edges more. The Chargers will break some big plays, but the linebackers and secondary needs to be ready to step up and limit the damage. With a good passing and running game in place, this will be the first real test of the young season for the Jets up the middle of their defense. Let’s hope that David Harris buckles his chinstrap extra tight for tonight.
Jets Pass Defense v. Chargers Pass Offense – Betta ask somebodayyyy!! Philip ‘Marmalard‘ Rivers will try to embarrass the brothers of Delta House tonight … but no more. Tonight the Jets secondary is going to stand up and metaphorically ask … “was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor?” In all seriousness, this game could be the national coming out party for this secondary … Rhodes and Revis … you guys ready? Vincent Jackson and Chris Chambers will do some damage on the edges, but as the season has shown us, it’s going to be the Tight Ends and Running Backs that tear apart this defense, and the Chargers have the weapons to use. Look for Justin Miller to bolster the lagging play at the nickel, if he can go. The biggest receiving thret is still Antonio Gates when plays break down. The Jets would be wise to assign Rhodes to him as much as they can and pit one athlete versus another.
Somewhere in the distance … Phil Collins ‘In the Air Tonight’ is playing … enjoy the game and we’ll be back later with a recap!
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The only story line that is important is whether the Jets have time to add more kickers before the game.
Jets just signed a specialty HOLDER and have to cut another guy!
Special teams is the important thing for the Jets. Will it be their achilles heel for the 3rd straight week??? Stay tuned!
god, i had a mild heartattack, when that hit happened
Anyone else worried we are going to get run over tonite?
Zach- go to the jets release WR Marcus Henry posts. that should answer your question.
Mark my words..the jets will try a trick play tonight…maybe a flea flicker ..maybe a reverse where brad smith throws a pass…somekind of trick play (more than just your run of the mill reverse)
Who did the jets cut to add the flea?
You want a toe? I can get you toe.
Guys :
Don’t worry about mangini nor the CS Wory about Farve. ..HE MUST EARN HIS 13 MILLION TONITE !!!!.
JESUS…………. I mean SD Is 31st in Passing Defense for crying OUT LOUD !!!!!!!
I think it will be Hodges throwing a pass from punt formation.
What do you mean he is injured??? Didn’t we just sign him?? Is he a LIRR employee??
Scratch that. How about Jones or Washington throwing a pass. Better yet how about Mr T throwing a TD pass with a bum toe.
the ed-the flea will throw the pass. we cut Mangold to put him on the roster.
can the flea kick?
chatzy not working
DEFENSE!!!!!!!!!!!!
Coleman is terrible covering the slot. Jets need Miller back. If he can do more than just return it’s covering the slot.
SD QB has many INTs in his arm tonight. Revis wll get one tonight!! Cant wait to see him run it back….OH Oh Brett almost threw one himself. Lets minimize the plays again ….
Sd is running the same play from right to left all day. Underneath the coverage.
Damnit when is Favre going to chuck it downfield a whole quarter and they have not thrown a bomb
Great game so far. Coles really wanted that ball.
Let’s see at this rate it will be 40-7 chargers and MANGINI MUST GO!!!
A NIGHTMARE SO FAR. BUT IT’S EARLY!!! NOT BRETT FAULT. LC NEEDS TO BE MORE AGRESSIVE!
WASHINGTON IS THE MAN!!!
RUN IT 4 TIMES!!!! NOT THREE!!
LC waking up!!! No celebrations. Where’s Testeverde? Its going ot be one of those games!!!
Great return by Washington. And a passing TD!!!! See Mangini can learn from his mistakes!!!!
I agree not Brett’s fault. Jones had ball ripped out and Coles didn’t want the pass. Good to see him get TD.
But will JETS D show up.
WAY TO PUT THE DEFENSE’S BACK AGAINST THE WALL WESTOFF…THAT’S JUST $#@#^%$ GREAT
THE D IS FINE. WE NEED PRESSURE. THEY ARE RUNNING THE SAME PLAY FROM RIGHT TO LEFT!! WE NEED TO STOP THAT ASAP!!!
GOOD TRY WESTOFF. IT WAS CLOSE. CB BLITZ FROM THE LEFT IS WHAT WE NEED TO STOP THAT CROSSING PATTERN.
I blame mangini for all mistakes
Man don’t tell me Jenkins is hurt This could really affect the game.
rabble rabble rabble! mangini must go! rabble rabble!
Do the Jets ever blitz? Does Bob Sutton know you are allowed to do it?
Sutton sucks they needed to get rid of him 2 years ago.
its not going to be easy not knowing many plays.
I hate it when im right!!!
COMUNICATION BREAKDOWN!!!!!!
Come On Favre get the plays down.
THAT WAS BRETTS FAULT!!!
This is going to be painful
I do blame Mangini for that onside kick. Westhoff is a smart coach. But the Jets had just cut the game to 3 points thanks to Leon Washington and with our malfunctioning offense you take the chance of giving the chargers a short field with 13 minutes to go in the second quarter?
The Ed(itor):
Don’t disappear at the end of the game like your Idol Johnny Styne !!
WE NEED A BLITZ SOON.
One time, blitz please!!
where’s the flea?
EVERY DOWN WE SHOULD BLITZ. WE NEED TO CLOG IT UP AGAINS LT.
WERE GETTING WIPPED…..THIS SUCKS
BYE BYE MANGINI!!!!
NO Jenkins no chance!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! this team is a DISGRACE
Down by 3; or down by 17? Mangini should have nixed the onside kick!
WASHINGTON IS UNBELIEVABLE.
FAVRES got to stop pressing the ball in there!!!!! LOOK at Rivers he just finding the open man, NOW!
Couldn’t post before this due to computer problems. We need to stop the run sometime soon. We are WAYYY too exposed without Jenkins. No penetration and noone coming off their blocks to make the play when they rush.
And what is with the onside kick? I understand the concept, but that is poor timing. We’re still down, our offense had shown no rhythm and we run a gadget play that gives the Chargers the ball inside our own 50.
Favre is clearly not in sync with this offense and this might have been a very bad move by the Jets, but I also know we were sure to lose this game with Pennington. At least on paper, Favre gives us more of a chance (if he’s not chucking it to the defense).
Maybe Mangini knew what he was doing by not having Favre throw the ball all game. Idiot fans
Sutton!!!
That’s what a blitz does!!!!
Use it.
At least our punt was short yardage
Where are all you Mangini fans now! Let’s face it, MANGINI SUCKS!!! MANGINI MUST GO!!
Can any of you maniac fans tell me how Mangini sucks based on this game?? You dummies wanted Fvare the throw before he knew the offense. Well here you go. 2 pics leading to 14 plus another that Cromartie dropped. Most of you fans suck!!
You don’t need that many plays if you execute them. Nice to see the CS had the boys ready to play.
WE NEED A LONG BALL AND BLITZ. WE STILL HAVE TIME!.
ITS THE CURSE OF LEON HESS!!!!!!!!!!!
The entire team looks like garbage, with the exception of Leon Washington.
Drew ….you are the real idiot. If the gans are the idiots and Mangini listens to the fans, then what makes Magini? Worst than idiot?
Drew:
I just told you how Mangini sucks; by allowing Mike Westhoff to go for the onside kick taking any momentum the Jets got from trusty #29 and turning it into a 17 point deficit at halftime.
can we please run a slant??????!!!!!!?????????
“Stop handcuffing Favre!” “Open it up!” “What do you mean he’s still learning the offense?” “Just throw it downfield” “Mangini’s holding Favre back.” “He knows enough of the plays!” “What’s Mangini doing handing the ball off all the time?” “Let Favre loose!”
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The good news is that anyone with any actual knowledge of the game of football understands that this is to be expected. If the CS judiciously brings Favre along as he absorbs more of the playbook and his receivers’ tendencies, the offense should improve and expand as the season goes along.
I imagined the D could hold the fort till that happens but Kris Jenkins going to the locker room worries me.
Everybody sceamed Mangini coached not to lose. Ni guts no glory crap……He takes chances and you guys kill him. That my friends makes you all idiots.
And if they execute, you all would think it was a great call. Building on the momentum of the TD.
Favre…. will take you all to the SuperBowl. Miss Johny Styne will drive you there.
It looks like subwayfare has some brains….Finally a fan who understands the game of football.
Drew :
You cant take these knuckeheads seriously. They love to hold hands and spit in a circle , you know what that is called, don’t you?
I can’t believe some fans on this blog are eating the BS of these Y.O.’s Farve worshipers !!!!
Drew you are a real idiot…you picked the wrong person….don’t you know that subwayfare is never right!
HOPDFULLY JENKINS WILL COME BACK TO STOP THE RUN. IF NOT THAT COULD BE THE GAME. RUN QUALS FIRST DOWNS EQUALS TIME OF POSSESION.
We are getting crushed…we need turnovers.
Its just funny seeing the Jets do what all these morons wanted and it is backfiring. You guys are on the sofa eating wings and not on the sidelines for a reason
I realize it’s a work in progress and the offense should get much better as the season moves along and everyone get familar with each other. This isn’t baseball. Where you can stick a player in there and get immediate results. This is the ultimate team game. I’m disappointed in the defense. Can we mount a paas rush. Blitz once in awhile.
that onside kick was idiotic.
i like mangini and don’t mind so much that he’s not demonstrative, but he doesn’t ever look confident.
Youre right Nikolas. Your complaints of Mangini makes sense?? You have been a clown since day 1 why would I expect that to change when you’re proven wrong again.
Wow… let’s hope the second half is better than the first and that Favre won’t get picked… yet again. Mangini should be plenty worried about his job security right about now. And seriously… where’s Vinny? (spoke too soon, the Chargers just scored again.)
Without Jenkins, they have nothing to stop the run.
Drew:
I want guts and glory; but not with 13 minutes to go in the second quarter. Bad timing; bad call. All of you (including subwayfare and hank/naples and kc) can prattle on about criticizing the head coaching is clueless-ness but a loss is a loss is a loss.
They’re giving up 50 if not 60 tonight. Defense is brutal.
With Jenkins out this is going to get ugly quickly
this is poor.
THE WAY THIS GAME IS TURNING OUT THE ONSIDE KICK WA A GOOD IDEA.
MANGINI SAW THINGS THAT HE DIDNT LIKE I KNEW HE NEEDED THE BALL. WE WEREN’T STOPPING THE RUN OR THE PASS. AT THIS POINT NO JENKINS NO STOPPING THE FIRST DOWNS.
Informed, intelligent criticism of coaching and management is always valid. I’ve just not seen much of that here.
Other than 2 plays by Barrett early, this defense hasn’t made one play.
MONDAYNITE MIRACLE PART II……..THE JETS ARE DEFINATELY WINNING THIS ONE
same old Jets. no sustained offensive possessions and the D is already gassed.
IS IT ME BUT THERE SEEMS TO BE A LACK OF TEAM SPEED ON OFFENSE.
Pretty simple story thus far. You can’t turn the ball over against good teams and expect to be competitive. Three Jet turnovers have led to 21 Charger points. That doesn’t factor in the ill-advised onside kick that led to another SD touchdown.
That last drive indicated the importance of Jenkins to our defense. Can we get a little pressure on Rivers please?!?
HE NEEDS TO CHANGE HIS NUMBER TO 10 AND START DINKING AND DUNKING!!!
yeah, this is bad. We just look weak.
deep slant?!?!?
Deep in. my bad
anyone venting on mangini for the jets’ horrible performance thusfar is truly an idiot. i understand the tendency to criticize a coach when the team is doing poorly, but at a certain point the players just have to perform. end of story. did mangini turn the ball over three times, setting up three easy touchdowns? um, no, he did not. that would be favre and thomas jones. take favre off the pedestal, its time to criticize the ones who are actually not doing their jobs. mangini is a scapegoat for the idiots.
subwayfare:
It’s not about what you see here: it’s about what we’re seeing on the field.
The Chargers are going to throw the sink at Favre being up by this much. He might get hurt in this game.
THERE IS ONE DINK!! NOW WE NEED A DUNK.
Why call that play with a finite amount of space?! Let the Wr’s and Keller run in open space, not fight for jump balls.
HOW SMART IS BRETT? WOULD IT HAD BEEN EASIER TO TEACH THE OTHER 52 PLAYERS ALL THE GREEN BAY PLAYS.
where was this in the first half?
Favre’s arm might fall off after this game.He’ll have to throw it 60+ to get back into this game
WE NEED AT LEAST A FIELD GOAL.. TIME FOR A TRICK PLAY!!
Jose the Jet:
Yes.
Favre should have stayed retired.
does mangini coach or just stand there and look sad?
TEN AND IN WITH THE RUNNING BACK COMING AROUND FOR A FLEA FLICKER.. HEY! WORKS IN THE STREETS!!
Why waste a TO down by 20+ in the 3rd quarter on 3rd and 19?? Strange!!
GO FOR IT!!!
That’s why…….4 & 2 Nice
SCREEN PLAY IS JUST AS GOOD..
My fellow Jet fans… We are a team without an identity. Are we a great defensive team? NO Are we a great Offensive team? NO Are we a great Special Teams team? NO
We don’t have what it takes to hang with the AFC East let alone any other team. I cannot blame Favre in fact I feel terribly sorry for the man. This all falls on Tannenbaum and Mangini trying to fix a sinking ship with bandages rather than just buying a new boat. Woody needs to get Bill Cowher in the worst possible way next year.
SCREEN PLAY IS JUST AS GOOD.. I’VE BEEN ASKING FOR SCREEN PLAYS SINCE MIAMI! ITS ABOUT TIME!!
We should use the old direct snap to the RB while Favre is lined up as a WR……It worked for the Dolphins
Bill Cowher? Howabout Les Miles.
AH. KELLER IS A ROOKIE!! NOT HIS FAULT EITHER.
Im glad we jettisoned Pennington for this ass clown
Has anyone seen C Baker??
Third and long. Will we see a blitz?
THEY SHOULD HAVE OPENED IT UP AND RUN IT W/ WASHINGTON OR JONES UP THE MIDDLE
Im going to refuse to talk to the media in protest
Im crying in the rain right now so noone can see my tears.
Eric Smith is an awful safety. Does he ever make a play?
FIRST TIME WE BLITZ. VERY PREDICTABLE BLITZ. CHARGES WERE READY. THE BLITZ IS SUPPOSE TO BE A SURPRISE..
At least the bye is early this year. Seriously.
We blitz and they throw a screen…. Anymore bright ideas??
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kd bart, on September 22nd, 2008 at 10:40 pm Said:
Eric Smith is an awful safety. Does he ever make a play?
Gholsten made a tackle!!!!!!!
GOOD BLITZ!!
Come on, let’s let one of the 4 kickers do something!
CONGRADULATION VERNON GHOLSTON ON YOUR FIRST TACKLE IN THE NFL…TOOK YOU 3 GAMES BUT YOU DID IT…..
No idea why they didnt just run it for a first down.
EARLY HAIL MARYS. GOTTA PRAY EARLY!!
John I- congratulations on your spelling bee victory…
Suprise they finally threw a flag on the Chargers. Nice make up for blowing the game last week
Can we score 25 and hold them to zero int he 4th?
24 PTS IN ONE QUARTER. CRAZIER THINGS HAVE HAPPENED.
Pat Leahy:
Good one.
HEY WITH THIS NIGHTMARE OF A GAME MY SPEACH IS EVEN STARTING TO SLUR
TAKING TOO MUCH TIME TO SCORE.
ON SIDE KICKKS!!!
DID HE CHAGE HIS JERSEY TO NUMBER 10?
IF EVER TYPES “MONDAYNITE MIRACLE” WE WILL WIN
I GUESS NOT
GOODNITE
THAT DIDNT AND DID MAKE SENSE. SHOULD’VE THROWN A FADE PATTERN TO A TE.
Well that one worked.
Now that’s the time/situation for an onside kick.
THATS ONE!! I THINK FEELY CAN DO THAT ALL DAY.
LETS SEE IF THAT WAS THE RIGHT SITUATION. LET SEE WHAT THE DEFENSE WILL DO.
Jose- the D has been on the field too much. They are gonna run all over us.
Ball game.
DNT UNDERSTAND. Y NOT ANOTHER ONSIDE?
hopefully Jenkins is not seriously hurt
TE DEFENSE HAVENT BEEN STOPPING NO ONE AND NOT ANOTHER ONSIDE?
Hopefully Jenkins’ injury is not crazy serious.
Defense definitely grades out as an F across the board tonight. Terrible all around after the first few plays.
Somebody better ask Mangini about his decision to go for that that onside kick down by 3 with 13 minutes to go in the second quarter. The game was lost after that.
This team can return kicks.
EVEN IF ITS NOT SUCCESSFUL YOU SHORTEN THE FIELD. ITS EASIER TO PLAY DEFENSE W/ A SHORTER FIELD..
NOW RUN THE BALL!!!!
kd bart- factor in losing jenkins and the time of posession and its not ebtirely their fault.
JD- its the chicago game all over again.
cheese mac- entirely, idiot.
Stop blaming Mangini, how bout blaming Wright for not catching the onsides kick earlier. This D doesnt lokk the same without Jenkins in the middle
another one that doesnt make sense. one quarter of a yard!!
Nope. Can’t stop the run without him.
I feel like I’ve been illegally touched just by sitting through this fiasco.
45-29 nothing changes 4-12 is the record i foresee. maybe 5-11 then next year no qb and we will be 1 and aww forget it i am going to bed.
ALMOST!!! ANOTHER ONSIDE. THE MNF ANOUNCERS ARE THE WORSE. THE DUDE FROM PARDEN THE INTERUPTION DOES NOT STOP SAYING STUPID THINGS.
it could be worse………Madden but at least he is amusing
omg. they were on the 1/4 yd line and didn’t run to make the 2pts? am i the only one that thinks that this was absolutely INSANE TO CALL A PASS PLAY!!???!???
if they ran we all be Throw the damn ball. but yeah i would of punched it up the middle
Clemens for the final two minutes.
well it looks about over………..
wait i should of wrote that at half time
kd you got your wish
get some glue on kellers hands
C’mon swizzle81. The Jets went from -3 to -10 to -17 after the ill-advised onside kick. It is MANGINI’S FAULT. BTW, crsp77, very funny. At least some people don’t apologize for this head coaching, but have some fun at its expense.
GAME OVER
mangini look like joe lewis just gave him a gut check..
I saw Clemens putting his helmet on during the sideline skirmish so I knew he was going in.
Must beat Arizona next week to get out of the first quarter 2-2. Knew this would be a tough one. An 0-2 team that feels they should be 2-0 on the road was going to be tough,
THEY NEED TO BRING BACK MADDEN. HE MADE SENSE.
yeah to both kd and jose
I’D TAKE 2-2 AFTER NEXT WEEK. ARIZONA HAS A GOOD DEFENSE.
yeah i would like to see 2-2. after next week…
whats the deal with the jets not getting hte calls for pass int. they are clearly pass int but no flags
happened at the pats game too
Jets D was pathetic tonite, safety play was awful again, Smith and Rhodes are not having a good year so far. Lowery got beat several times tonite. Few positives, return game looked good, and Stuckey will be a great target inside the red zone.
Jets WR have been getting mugged all year.
All you Mangini apologists, you were right Mangini is a genius. He tricked SD into the lead so we could have a practice with a no backfield set. Thereby giving Favre a chance to play in game type conditions……..Or maybe he does @#$%ing suck and everyone who thinks he is awesome owes everyone witha brain an apology. This just in GHOLSTON waived then resigned for more money!!!! LOL!!!! Gonna be along season
Did the Jets even touch Rivers tonight?
bigpat- no way the jets were getting any calls tonight after the chargers got jobbed last week.
as for the game- same old Jets: Time of possession tells the story. Absolutely no sustained offensive drives+Defense on the field for far too long = opposing offenses going wild.
Vernon Gholston is a MONSTER ! WOW.
James in TN:
You got that right; btw, did anyone see #4 hobbling off from the sideline after the game – so sad we waste such a prodigious talent in the only year we’ll have him for.
GREENBLOOD- read this site every once in a while, ok?
i hope this Jenkins injury isn’t serious, this would be devastating after them running us over, mangini will prob. keep his injury hidden………aka Jon vilma
Simple logic on the onsides kick:
If you recover it, your on ur own 40…and if you get 7 pts on the drive, hardly a sure thing…u are up 21-17 mid 2nd quarter.
Not exactly a game changing play then.
If you dont recover it, you hand them your 40…a short field for the 2nd time in the game at that pt…and u risk going down 10 on the road in the 2nd qtr of a game u lead by 7 after 5 minutes.
SO…the risk….far outweighed the reward in that situation.
Its also a play u do if u are down 21-10 at that pt and need a spark, and u are a HUGE underdog in the game….aka “arent supposed to win”.
Our D was pretty wesk…losing jenkins seemed to be a bigger factor then one would think…
Oh and where was the flag on the coles pass / pick for TD…..those losers usually call any contact on recievers.
Must win next week….simple. 2-2 at the bye is fine with me as long as we look better doing it.
Kudos to all the New York fans who pushed so hard for the Favre trade. Pennington would have had this team 3-0. Plain and simple.
You guys are a bunch of idiots, and you’ll never be happy. And you’ll never understand how to build a good football team. Ever. Congratulations on our continuing misery. It’s all your fault.
Look carefully at the photo. We lost because because we had to play LT, Rivers, and Drew Brees. Seems a bit unfair, but may explain his 400 yards (200 in each game?). Suspect Farve sprained his ankle throwing off the wrong foot so many times. Plus every picture I see of him, I imagine he’s thinking: ‘If I leave now, I can be home in three hours and never think about football again.’ Hard also not to think that Pennington designed a lot of the plays that whipped the Pats, and maybe he was the positive influence two years in opening up the formations? Certainly not happening now. Brad Smith? Jets are playing street ball (”everyone out for a pass…”). Without the run and without D, street ball is fun, but loses a lot of games. Maybe I am wrong, but I keep thinking also that these Jets look very sloppy and poorly coached: 12 men on the field, or 10, or unable to run it in from the 3 inch line. Plus the roster management is a joke. 4 QBs, no kickers, about 100 WRs.