Game Recap: Have I Mentioned I Hate California?
It is axiomatic, in being a football fan, that the things you worry about in August come back to haunt you in September. Here’s my short list of summer anxieties: no run-stopping, backup nose tackle, check; David Barrett playing in a Jets uniform, check; no safety depth, check; a rookie corner starting, check; uncertain leadership on special teams, check; Coles a step slow and cranky, check; a quarterback hired for a variety of reasons, some well-intentioned, some mercenary, check; Brett Favre not knowing the offense, check; not enough practice time to establish any offensive rhythm, check. I expected to see the effects of all of these worries over the first few weeks. I’m glad we got them all out of the way so soon.
This was a tale of two games. The first half (the really bad one) started off like a dream. Imagine you’re seventeen and you’re playing a pickup game against a young, Lew Alcindor. You sink your first basket. Right then, at that moment, you have visions of playing in the NBA. Later, when you’re losing by twenty, you realize it probably isn’t going to be your day—but you had your moment.
David Barrett (or should I say the much maligned David Barrett) started off the game tonight with a bang. On the Chargers’ first series, he jumped a route, intercepted a ball and ran it into the end zone. Good for you, David. Jets up 7-0. OK, that’s the last of the highlights. What followed can best be described as ‘not so much.’ Interception, check; fumble, check; missed assignment by (that’s right) David Barrett and a touchdown to Chris Chambers, check. You don’t want me to go into details, do you?
So let’s skip over the first half that ended with the Chargers’ clinging to a tenuous 31-14 lead and move on to the notes and highlights. Note: Kris Jenkins left after the second series and did not return. My dog committed suicide. He really likes Kris Jenkins. Sione Pouha took over, but, as I have said before, he is not Kris Jenkins. Any semblance of a run-stopping defense dissolved as Philip Rivers picked apart the other ten guys. Have I mentioned that the new Jets have not yet faced a good quarterback who had years of experience in their offensive system? Well, now they have.
Another interesting thing happened in the first half. The Jets coach tried an onsides kick after we got close following a brilliant Leon Washington runback that covered 94 of the remaining 99 yards on the field. Favre threw it in the end zone on second down (I knew you’d ask) to make it 17-14 and Mangini went for the onsides kick. Even though it failed, I’ll take it. That’s the gambler Mangini of 2006. I liked that.
The ugly part of the game ended during the third quarter. Right after San Diego drove straight down the field and made it look easy bringin the score to a very manageable 38-14. Game over. Except it wasn’t. Actually, that’s when it became fun. For those of you who turned off the game by this time, tough luck.
The Jets gave the ball to Favre, and suddenly, they could move the ball against the patented Teddy Cottrell pre-vent de-fense. The result—a sustained drive that ended in a missed fourth and four at the SD 9. Oh so what. The game was out of reach anyway. It was fun to see a lot of passing and running.
Then, as if by a miracle, the defense held. The Chargers punted and we started another drive. This time, it was all shotgun, with an empty backfield and it worked. It even resulted in a touchdown. Only down by 18. Then, the Cane called for an onsides kick and Vernon Gholston recovered it (Yup, that’s right). Favre drove down the field again, mostly in a shotgun again. The Jets kicked a field goal.
Mangini decided to kick away and take their chances with the defense. A few short plays later, the moment came. Third and five, only down by two scores, eight and a half minutes to go, this play would decide their fate. Picture the drama. Except Philip Rivers thought it was his movie. He went to the line and saw that the Jets were going to blitz Kerry Rhodes. He audibled and…you know the rest.
Lowery is going to be a solid cover corner some day but he was overmatched on a go route to Vernon Jackson and the game was out of reach. Well not quite. Because then Cotchery caught the kickoff and ran it back to the San Diego 19. Two plays later, Favre put it in the end zone, again! Pretty cool, huh? What about another onsides kick? Sure! I enjoyed watching Jay Feely trying to make the recovery. It’s great when kickers think they’re football players, isn’t it? They didn’t make it, but it was fun.
I’m tired of saying this will take half a season. We’re 1-2 and that’s what we all said we’d sign up for. We are now entering the part of the season we have all been waiting for. Theoretically, the games should get easier from now on. Maybe Kris Jenkins isn’t badly hurt. Maybe Favre will develop some rhythm with his receivers. Maybe Mangini’s bye-week adjustments will be as successful as they were the last two years. Maybe Vernon Gholston will become a football player. As many have said, ‘who knows?’
Let’s see what happens.
109 Responses to Game Recap: Have I Mentioned I Hate California?
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vbsiena24 says:
wow I really should spellcheck. *There and *end
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JD says:
Who likes the 13-minutes-to-go-in-the-second-quarter-down-by-three-on-the-road-with-an-offense-that-can’t-move-the-ball-onside-kick? Jets -3 to -10 to -17. Game over – bad call.
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SackDance99 says:
the onsides kick was a bad call because wallace wright didn’t recover. other than that, it was a good call against the chargers, whose special teams weren’t good. the loss of jenkins was huge, as was TJ’s fumble. the cromartie pick was a joke…thanks for fighting for the ball LC. fall behind on the road to a good team and you get spanked. let’s beat AZ and go into the bye 2-2.
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Mike G says:
That’s it … we’re dead… the seasons over… I’m going up to the roof… anyone want to join me…
Ok… back to reality… It was nice to see us go to a desparation 5 wide receivers set… Why… because I think we really learned something there with Farve. Balls to the wall, let it fly Now lets work from there back instead of the other way around.
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PS… hopefully Farve got rid of the mental handcuffs he put on himself of not wanting to lose…
Go Jets…
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klecko71 says:
Simple logic on the onsides kick:
If you recover it, your on ur own 40…and if you get 7 pts on the drive, hardly a sure thing…u are up 21-17 mid 2nd quarter.
Not exactly a game changing play then.
If you dont recover it, you hand them your 40…a short field for the 2nd time in the game at that pt…and u risk going down 10 on the road in the 2nd qtr of a game u lead by 7 after 5 minutes.
SO…the risk….far outweighed the reward in that situation.
Its also a play u do if u are down 21-10 at that pt and need a spark, and u are a HUGE underdog in the game….aka “arent supposed to win”.
Our D was pretty wesk…losing jenkins seemed to be a bigger factor then one would think…
Oh and where was the flag on the coles pass / pick for TD…..those losers usually call any contact on recievers.
Must win next week….simple. 2-2 at the bye is fine with me as long as we look better doing it.
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GreenDuck says:
hard to wake up at 3:00 am ME time to watch us lose yet again, kick myself and than go to work
not panicking but still can’t lie to myself. those check marks are reality and are hard to fix at this point.
I can’t understand why we tend to overrate the Jets. really, we are still way back from becoming a decent team, let alone win our group or making it to the playoffs.
our End Zone is like a Free Zone. it seemed so easy for NE and the Charges to enter again and again with less drives than it takes our offense.
maybe we beat the cardinals, maybe. we should win at Bangles, OK, KC STL and that’s it.
let’s not forget that we are not the only one making progress and adjusting the system. those so called weak teams are also getting better.
three things in mind: let BF throw all day (as long that he gets more TD than INT…)
Coles not yet recovered. how about Leon at WR instead? (cotch, leon, stuck)
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TheGreenCastle says:
I’m pretty sure the thing that stood out about that Chambers TD was Revis and someone (lowery?) ran into each other right after the snap. So basically the one play Revis wasn’t glued to his hip, he scores a TD.
Which I think at least makes Revis look good. Other than that one time, I don’t remember hearing Chambers’ name…
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Ok checked the box… that was Chambers’ only catch. Revis is the man.
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SackDance99-
How can you say the onside kick was a good call; it just became a bad call because Wallace Wright muffed it? Like klecko71 says, the risk outweighed the reward. A REALLY GENIUS time to do it would have been after the Barrett pick-six. Then, if you recover, you have the chance to go up 14 in their house in the first quarter. Going for it with 13 minutes to go in the second quarter after it was only through the wiliness of #29 that the Jets had cut the lead to 3 was just dumb. What have we all been chattering on about for two weeks- field position. Kick it deep, let Sproles beat you.
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hank/naples says:
You saw last night why Green Bay refused to take Brett Farve back !!!
I wonder how many PSL’s Woody sold before last night, now there will be a massive fire sale !!!
Last nights commentating became nauseating after blowiing smoke up Farves butt after every pick or should be picks (5) !!!
Mangini SHOULD be FIRED for hipocrisy alone by blaming his receivers for not running crisp routes when Farve admitted for that “THE FIRST TIME IN HIS LIFE” he took the playbook home a couple of days ago. Wow, what a genius !!!!
Was it me or was it Memorex but I thought the offense looked crispier and with more life when Clemmens came in !!!
If, IF we can go 2-2 into the bye, maybe Farve will do Woody a favor and take the playbook home again and learn a few more plays !!!!
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Where are all of the Jet fan “coaches” that were screaming the following…Dont handcuff Favre! They run the O like we have Chad! He’s a HOF let him throw it all game!! Maybe Mangini and the coaches realized Favre and the WR’s are not ready. Instead everybody screams that we run too much. Let last night’s game be a wake-up to the “fans” to keep their mouth shut and wipe the wing sauce off your fingers and hope we can get to 2-2 for the Bye week…….By the way, nice call Weiss on Barrett. I believe you stated he would make a play
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hank/naples…
I thought the O looked crisp when Clemens came in until he missed Keller wide open in the endzone and decided to let Cromartie show his dunking skills after another pick on the goalpost.
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I am not going to kill the onside kick. I didnt like it but we have Westhoff on the sidelines for a reason. If he thought it was a good play then so be it.
Here’s the game plan to beat the Jets:
A) Hope the fans coach the team since they would have Favre throw the ball all game.
B) Hope Jenkins gets hurt so they can run at will up the middle.
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Here’s the game plan to beat the Jets:
D) Make sure Mangini is there to come up with a ‘game-specific’ gameplan.
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JustAGreenGuy says:
My only complaint about the onside kicks was that we didn’t do one after we got the field goal. I miss Nugent after watching Feely be dumb. I thought they coached a pretty good game I wasn’t even totally pissed at Schott. Favre shouldn’t have let go of the ball a couple of times tho. He could have had 5 ints.
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TimNC says:
I’m with JD and klecko7, onside kick at that point in the game = bad call regardless of the outcome. Before the season started, I had figured the Jets would be 1-2 at this point, and that record holds true. There are reasons to be upset with last nights performance, but it is far too early to press the panic button IMO.
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Stuckey is the real deal, KC is still KC, and it was nice to see Keller. Anyone hear anything about Jenkins?
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TruJetFan says:
The team looked out of control. The first half was a disaster. We ran with Thomas Jones 6 times in the half. Not acceptable. If we can’t run we are just as bad as last year. We are not going to win some looney shootout. We need to control a game and Jones has to run. We still need the running game to set up the passing game. This is not a different game just because we have a strong armed QB. Such a disappointment so far.
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subwayfare says:
The defense definitely suffered without Jenkins but getting behind against a very good team, desperate for a win, on the road, puts the unit in a very tough spot. Though Barrett may have blown the coverage on the Chambers play, he made a nice read on the INT and his other near pick and sack last week makes me think he’s got some potential at safety. Got to be better than Smith, who fell down (again) to leave the RB open for a TD. I was very impressed with Lowery in spite of the TD where he got caught looking back, giving the receiver better separation. The pass rush needed to create better angles, be it in the base or on blitzes. It was a tough day but that’s about as good an offense and as bad a situation as they’re going to see all year. Hopefully they go to school on the film.
As for the offense, I just have my doubts about Thomas Jones. It’s like they’re trying to use him like Curtis Martin but he’s more Curtis-lite. Tough and strong but just not quite as nimble or instinctive. Chatman’s pretty tough and probably gets a quicker jump to the hole. Would like to see him when he’s healthy. And I wouldn’t be afraid to let Leon take his shots out of the backfield, either.
At least the passing game made progress. Ironically, that was due to its disastrous beginning. A passing offense involves a great deal of choreography and Favre and company are about midway through training camp as far as getting in synch. There were flashes of possibilities, he spread the ball around, and that never-say-die, Favrian quality was on display. I’m sure that had a lot to do with Turner keeping a gimpy LT in the game as long as he did.
Lets hope Jenkins is okay and we can get a lead on AZ at home and play as desperate, back-to-the-wall as SD did last night. As I’ve said many times, I don’t know if Mangini is going to be a great coach or not. Too early to say. I do know that firing a coach midseason is just another term for “rebuilding.” At least he’s smart and organized and disciplined and hopefully will keep the team focused on AZ. If we get to the bye 2-2 there’s plenty of hope for the season. The Giants were 1-2 in the same spot last year.
Eli – 6TD/3INT
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JD and TIm….thanks for the props.
I didnt HATE the call…but it just wasnt necessary, it was clearly the wrong time to be a “gambler”. And the call didnt lose us the game….but hell it didnt make it easier!!!!
U had just silenced the crowd the best way possible after a pick 6 against us…a 90 yd return and a 2 play TD. Westoff must have seen something on tape all week….and mangini signed off on it…..
but to give them the 40 at that pt….wasnt worth the reward of us having the ball again.
very odd timing on that call…plain and simple.
Any word on jenkins??
I will be there sunday vs cards….gotta win it…like i said…2-2 is fine as long as we look better doing it.
and that includes suttons play calls…at what point does mangini make the calls like last year when he took over….our blitzes suck. gotta be more like the eagles…they have a lock down corner and they trust the rest of the guys to cover for 5 secs while 6-7 guys come after the QB.
gotta bring the heat in this league….
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Hank/Naples- I’m no Favre fan and would rather lose with Clemens, Ratliff or Ainge behind center, but can we quit the fire the coach talk until after the bye week? I thought they called a decent game. We all did see why you don’t let Favre just throw the ball around. The recievers could have ran better routes, but Favre shouldn’t have thrown the ball to an area where there wasn’t a Jet either. We should have ran for the 2pt conversion after we were moved to the 1ft line, but couldn’t give up the chance to practice in the redzone.
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mr.die-hard jets fan says:
WHAT JENKINS STATUS?? CAN SOMEONE PLEASE UPDATE US ON HIS STATUS. DO YOU UNDERSTAND THAT THE JETS ARE NOT MAKING THE PLAYOFFS WITHOUT HIM? I DON’T CARE ABOUT LAST NIGHTS GAME. I WANT TO KNOW ABOUT JENKINS
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jas says:
Good Morning gentlemen-
I thought we looked great.
But, as pointed out last night I am clueless and my head exploded twice (still can’t find 2 pieces after the second time) after I found out we had 5 kickers (and possibly a specialty holder), can’t get rid of the new guy for 3 weeks and the Raiders do the same things we do. Oh my God.
It’s shotty’s fault-no 4 kicker formation they practiced all week. What’s up with that.
I thought the “game specific” plan Mangini came up was quite good. Unfortunately it was for a Different game. Oh well, he’ll get to use on the correct week and won’t have to work as hard.
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Just a casual observation-if you switched the last two “game specific” plans we might have won both.
Oh boy, just found a piece of my head!
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Dave75 says:
put it behind us. Definitley some positives int hsi game. let’s beat Arizona and go into the bye week 2-2. Remember after the bye week in ’06 and how improved we were? Look at the Giants last year. it’s a long season fellas, things will turn around. Be patient
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Dave75 is right-it’s a long season. VERY,VERY, VERY,VERY,VERY, VERY, VERY, long.
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Klecko71-
The only thing I liked about the first onsides kick call was that it will make people stop talking about the runs at the goal line last week.
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No it won’t. I’ll never stop. It’s like my ex-wife. I’ll never stop.
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Andrew Weiss says:
vbsienna
Apologies to Vernon (Vincent) Jackson. I must have been so excited about Gholston making a play that I saw him everywhere. I’ll take a mulligan on the grammar. It was late.
subway
Chatman’s not hurt, he’s suspended. He and Clowney should both be in the lineup after the bye.
I agree that after the INT would have been a better spot for the onsides. I just applauded Mangini for taking the chance which I didn’t see a lot of last year. I thought they became way too predictable last year and, despite the two losses, I’m seeing a looser coaching style now, probably because of Favre.
Re: Clemens, his only mistake was not being a little more patient before launching it. It’s not enough to be a gunslinger, you’ve got to be a courageous gunslinger and wait for your opportunity. If he learns that from Favre, he could be a winner. He’s got the tools. -
Jason says:
Jones did not look good last night but then again we abandoned our run game early, and Leon only got a few draws behind center, I don’t understand why we are not getting the ball in his hands more with slants, scenes, Coles- he looked lost without Penny the first two weeks, but is starting to spark with Brett- JC looks good but, needs more help, hopefully Coles keeps his momentum- Brad Smith needs to get the ball more with one on one match ups, that cat is fast did anyone see him pass off Leon during that kickoff return he should be used as our deep threat guy I don’t think even Favre can over throw him, Stuckey, plays a lot like shall I say our boy Wayne Chrebet- get him in the game more- and for the love of god change fronts when Jenkins isn’t in the game- switch to 4-3 with a rotation between VG and BT at Dend mix it up the Jets have the talent to play 2 different defensive schemes this is a huge advantage… if we don’t we are toast without an anchor in the middle like Jenkins we don’t stand a chance, however we have the players for a nasty change of pace 4-3.
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OG Matt says:
While it is clear that Favre and receivers are not on same page all the time there is a bigger problem. OUR OFFENSIVE LINE IS TERRIBLE. The reason we cannot stretch the field and that we have so many short passes is that we cannot protect Favre. He has to get rid of the ball quickly. When he sits in the pocket and surveys the field he picks the defense apart. While it is a point of concern I am hopeful that they come together in next two weeks. Playing Arizona and the bye week should really help these guys gel and get things rolling. Oh and can someone lite a fire under D’Brick. He is playing like a little girl.
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jerry(sec308) says:
Jenkins status (from Cimini)
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Jenkins declined to discuss his injury, saying only that his “pride was hurt” that he wasn’t able to return. Asked for the prognosis, Jenkins said, “That’s the million-dollar question.”It would be very dumb to give out any clues, as Arizona’s game plan is dependent on this information.
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Our O-line is struggling, but on their behalf our play calling is predictable, no guessing here, run, run, pass, punt in the first two series, once we get behind- Pass, Pass, run, punt, sickening, but true.
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He had a hang nail.
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A small reminder. The Jets have six months to get ready for these early games. They know their schedule long in advance. They have been practicing and OTA’s for SIX months and this team looks like a pickup team. Get off of Favre-he’s top quality even with his faults. What about the rest of these guys looking lost.
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AND, how about those 3 runs in the Pats game.
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swizzle81 says:
The O-line actually played well last nite, against a blitz heavy SD defense, not sure what game you were watching. If your going to point at 1 O–lineman how about Woody who failed to recognize blitzes that resulted in 2 sacks. Jenkins cannot be out for along period of time, I would let him sit this game against Arizona, more passing than running, and hopefully have him return after the bye.
The Jets need to address the Safety position because Eric Smith is not the answer, I believe Barrett played the majority of the second half there. No pass rush killed the Jets last night, Rivers just simply dumped it off to his 2nd and 3rd checks. Hey LC how about going for the ball on the INT and stop bitchin to the ref, watching Cromartie go for the score, no effort at all on the play.
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Guys-
To be truthful I for don’t know exactly what’s wrong (other than 5 kickers), but simply put they looked lousy against Miami, lousy against NE and brutal against SD (a very good team by the way). If they don’t change that we have a verrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrry long season ahead of us. I can’t imagine this team against KC or OAK. Those games may just be a highlight reel of screw ups. -
We have 4 kickers, 5 specialists. We should have 3. We need alot of work. Jenkins is a huge part of this D and a huge human.
Favre was on the cover of Madden and his trade has escalators. If he is like this at midseason I’m all for pulling the plug.
I think Mangini needs to catch a break.
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Fait point w/ Woody and lack of recognition, but D Brick not sealing the inside more than once is concerning. Guys are making plays coming across his face to the inside. I know SD only had 3 sacks, but the o-line does not give Favre enough time to get the ball down the field. Coaching staff knows this and calls these 5 yd dump offs as a result. Its a viscious circle. Eric Smith is not what we need at all. You can’t trip on the goal line and allow the least potent weapon in SD offense catch a TD. He looks lost at times.
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DSmizzle says:
Damien Woody is a very round circle with 2 little stubs for arms. He is a-meat-a-ball-a!
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DD says:
Well like they say, it doesn’t rain in southern california…..
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Najy says:
We served the chargers 28 points on a silver plate. 3 turnovers that resulted in 21 points and a failed onside kick that resulted in 7 poionts. The TJ fumble was understandable because he was held up and they stripped the ball out of his hands. It was a good play by the Chargers.
The Cromarti int was a great play by Cromarti. Chansi Stuckey was wide open on that play and Brett missed him. LC should have made more effort after the int in chasing Cromarti down and making the tackel. But you cant take it away from him that he made a great play.
The second int was a mis read. Our Qb and receivers are not on the same page and it was evident last night. Favre should have had more than 2 picks but because he throws the ball so hard, its not easy for DB’s to catch the ball.
It is evident that Brett is still in training camp mode.
We desperately need Kris Jenkins. Jenkins was man handeling their center and pushing him around.
I saw Pouha with his back turned to the line of scrimmage almost every play he was in. The center was literally turning Pouha around and pushing him. He lines up 2 yards off the ball and gets blown off the line of scrimmage.
We lost to a good team, again!!
I have to question the game plan tho. I hope I am wrong, but i think that the coaching staff broke under pressure this week. It seemed that they listened to everyone on the outside who was yelling at them to let Bret Favre throw the ball 40+ times.
I said it yesterday before the game and Ill say it now before next week:
-the top priority should be establishing the line of scrimmage with Jones. Once the Jets can run the ball, we can start to take advantage of Brett Favre and his arm.
We have to be able to run the ball in order to be competitive and limit the mistakes made by Favre. Jones is a 20+ carries a game back. Give him the ball and let Leon get 8-10 touches a game through screens and draws and things like that.
RUN, RUN, and RUN some more. Cut the crap. We have a good O line. Once we start running the ball effectively and establish the line of scrimmage, it will help out in every phase of the game including pass blocking, clock management, more open receivers, etc.
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GreenGuy:
I’m a strong Mangini supporter and think is a great ” manager” and extremely loyal almost to a fault. Because of this he sheltering Farve by spreading the guilt over a group when he knows the offense is out of kelter because his QB has not 1) adjusted to his (Manginis/Schotts) offensive scheme and DOES NOT KNOW how to run it 2)learned enough of the playbook and 3) gelled with the offense enough to develope a cadence that is disciplined. Before you say it takes time, i’ll tell you that the season can very well be over by then.I could also give you more reasons as to why everything on offense starts with the QB and these guys that scream “FARVE IS THE TEAM AND THE TEAM IS FARVE” are totally lost and don’t know football. They are only frontrunners just like the Pats fans. No, I wont get on the bandwagon of the loser Jet fans that want him fired because that will really set us back 2-3 years instead of, I hope, only one year that will set us back with the Farve learning experiment !!!
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Well said Najy. i am more pissed that Mangini and Schotty let the media and fans dictate the gameplan. We should have run the ball down there throats. favre is not ready to control the game with his arm yet. Where are all of the Favre needs to throw all game fans today? There were out in full force last Monday
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Drew,
The reason I think they broke under pressure is because they were in shotgun from the half inch line for the 2 point conversion. Perhaps a simple Qb sneak on a quick count??? Instead we were in shot gun? That was really really dumb.
Everyone was complaining about airing it out and the coahces are dumb because they dont let Favre throw 40+ times a game. Well, they got what they wanted last night.
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Sean says:
Eric Smith should be cut. How do you trip over your own feet?
Without Jenkins the D suffers immensely. D could not get to Rivers. But considering their backs were to the wall all night again, I am not that disappointed. Stopped LT from running all over them.
OL did a very good job of picking up the blitzes but it seems that the WRs cant get open. THEIR INNABILITY TO GET OPEN IS A HUGE PROBLEM. Favre made a career out of throwing slant patterns and Coles made a career out of running them. Is there a reason we have not seen a slant between these two yet?
Should not have kicked the onside but I too will defer to Westhoff. HAVE TO TAKE THE 3 PTS instead of going for it with 5 left in the 3rd.
The refs were terrible. Cromar should have been called for interference. HOW did they miss the horse collar call on Coles? Gates had a full arm extended to keep Lowery from breaking up the TD. They truely were scared to call anything against SD.
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Najy. Good post. Except I dont think we have to run the ball to open up the pass bc I would prefer to go with a balanced attack. But I think that the O line has played well and that TJ should get 20 touches. It is not like last year when he was getting hit 3 yds deep on every play. They are creating holes. They ran the screens much better last night. Unfortunately TJ is like CMartin he does not see the holes on the screens that well.
We did hand them 28 pts and the D had their backs to the wall yet again.
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subwayfare, on September 23rd, 2008 at 9:44 am Said:
Klecko71-The only thing I liked about the first onsides kick call was that it will make people stop talking about the runs at the goal line last week.
jas, on September 23rd, 2008 at 9:46 am Said:
No it won’t. I’ll never stop. It’s like my ex-wife. I’ll never stop.great comeback JAS….lol at that one….
eric smith is quite lame…..i am sure he is on a short leash now.
and good calls by all…a good time for the kick might have been after the pick 6 by barett…but then if we didnt get it and SD tied it, we all would say “why not settle in and play D rather then risk handing them the 40 after we shocked them to start the game”.
SO..there are very few “good times” to do a surprise onsides”…when they work u look great, when they dont u look like an ass. HOWEVER, there are better times to do it then others…and at 17-14…it was clearly the wrong time.
ESPN live sportscenter says jenkins should be ok for next week….
cromar def interfered with coles…hand around a facemask hard to miss. but i didnt see the coles horsecollar…..but will trust u guys when u say it was a clear missed call. overall the refs did seem to be afraid to call a flag on SD…hmmm….SD 0-3…bad for the league???
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Fact is as bad a losses to Ne and SD were, we need to beat a average Arizona team to get to 2-2 and get 2 weeks to get the offense and Jenkins straight. Get back to running the ball with TJ and start hitting those slants they started to throw late in the game to open up the deep ball. We can go on a run if we win this Sunday. The AFC is up for grabs…even at 1-2
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Former Packers' Fan says:
Let’s face it, there was enough blame to go around after last night. Where was the pass rush?? Rivers was seldom rushed let alone sacked. Where was the offensive line?? Favre was sacked a few times and rushed often. This is especially troubling after considering the pro-bowlers and millionaires that now occupy those OL positions! Where was the officiating? Cromartie did everything but sodomize the Jets’ receiver to steal the ball on the pick!! Later a 1st and goal should have resulted when a Jets receiver was held in the end zone! The call was that the pass was uncatchable!! Of course it was- when the receiver is being held 10 yards away he couldn’t catch it!!!
Favre wasn’t perfect, he got away with a few potential picks. But, the second one had to be a miscue on the route. Whether it was Favre’s fault on not, only the Jets know. And, he didn’t hit the deck every time there was pressure like Aaron Rodgers did against the cowboys!
But, what we saw in the second half when Mangini and Shottenheimer gave the ball to Favre and let him do what he does best was sheer poetry. He shedded SD’s secondary. When are these “geniuses” going ot realize that you have to build your offense around your personnel, not expect your people to conform to your “brilliance”??!!
I realize that bringing Favre into the mix late changed things, but if the Jets want to win, they have to trust Favre’s leadership, not rely on Shottenheimer’s unproven system. I don’t agree that the Jets can’t adapt to the change. Yes, the receivers will need to adjust to start catching balls that hit them in the hands and the chest!!!! But, how difficult is pass blocking – no matter what the route??? Keep the pass rush off the quaterback – duh!!
Shottenheimer obviously doesn’t realize that if Favre opens things up early, then the holes will be there for Jones to rip off great gains. He is a strong powerful runner. He needs to utilized to his potential – not just be the “up the gut, 3rd and 2 workhorse.” And btw – when you’re going for a 2 point conversion from the “6 inch” line – that’s the time to give the ball to Jones!!
I think the Jets still have great potential. They did cut down on the penalties (unless it was just officials who were “mailing in” their game last night!). Favre has worked with young receivers before. They will learn to adapt to his methods and strategies. Jones will be a solid back all season. The defense will gel and get back to pre-season form.
In the end, the only thing the Jets really need is a new offensive coordinator – someone who is flexible enough to adapt at a moment’s notice to the game situation. A former player would do this better that a former head coach’s son!! Or, perhaps the Jets ownership should just clean house now? Can anyone in NY say, “Hello Mariucci!!”
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Ilan says:
I’m a little concerned about the lack of big play ability from the skill positions. Coles seems a step slow. Cotchery is more of a possession guy (10 catches last night is real good). Washington only sees the field for 15 plays a game on offense and teams know what’s coming when he’s in (the offense seems predictable). I’m truly wondering what Clowney can do when he returns. He showed in the preseason that he’s a burner. If Coles has really lost a step than maybe he shouldn’t see the field as much. He hasn’t exactly shown the best concentration or route running so far this season either.
O-Line
D’Brick got beat once for a sack. The real problem though was Woody. Now, I don’t know if it’s the protection calls at the line or what (that would be on Mangold or Favre). Twice he went to help Moore and let a blitzing OLB free on Favre. They have got to shore up the protection.
Defense
I don’t think the run d was as bad as people are making it out to be after Jenkins got hurt. Yeah it wasn’t amazing but it was acceptable. The bigger problem this game was that the Jets safeties had trouble in coverage. There were missed coverage assignments and the slot CB could not stay with the slot receiver. I think this will improve when Miller returns but who knows. The safety spot opposite Rhodes is still a big gapping hole. The d also had trouble with screen passes. This has been a problem all three weeks and should be addressed.
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Former Packers Fan,
Favre wasn’t great when he went into the shotgun because he’s Brett Favre. He was great because he helped put the Jets into a hole early and then picked on the Chargers underneath when they went into a prevent defense. Any QB in the league could have done that. The Chargers didn’t have a coverage player within 10 yards of the line of scrimmage.
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Bent says: “can someone lite a fire under D’Brick. He is playing like a little girl.”
He’ll never be a mauler, but Ferguson made one mistake yesterday (when the Jets were already down by 24). Otherwise, his pass protection was excellent and there was nothing wrong with his running game.
If he makes one mistake a game for the rest of his career, Brick will never be an elite player, but on a night when many of his teammates struggled, I felt Brick performed admirably. He is definitely improving technique-wise.
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The Ed(itor) says:
That is what good coaches are supposed to do. Get the best out of your players. Obviously Mangini and company did zero last night to raise the level of play. Actually with one exception, Westhof’s special teams were back.
With Favre at QB, I for one expected a lot more out of this team than what we are getting. We could have been 1-2 with KC and developing a QB. And just think in two years you’ll be paying for PSLs and seeing the same old crappy JETS playing. No enthusiasm, no spirit and no leadership.
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By the way, lot’s of national press were talking about the NFL evening things out when the officials give a game away the week before. This could have been the problem with the officials. But overall they got crushed and you really have to wonder what game Mangini was doing his “game specific” plan for. I still say this plan for the Pats and the Pats plan for this might have been better. you’ve really got to wonder about shotty and sutton.
and, what about the those 3 runs against the Pats.
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I thought the OL played pretty well. Although TJ was limited to 37 yards on 10 carries because we handed them 28 points, he was not routinely fighting to get out of the backfield as our RBs have been for the past several years. He had runs of 8, 7,7,6,4,3, 2, 1, 0. If they were not down immediately I think they could have established the running game and been successful.
CAN SOMEONE PLEASE COMMENT ON THE WRs: what is the problem? are they not getting open? Or are they and Favre not on the same page? I mean its sad to say but Pennington got them the ball more often
Favre has made a living out of throwing the slant and LC has made a living out of running it but yet it seems this play has disappeared from the game plan.
I feel like most of the time he has a lot of time to throw the ball but cant find anyone. WHAT IS IT?
D did not play that poorly considering they played with their backs to the wall again. Rivers did a great job audibling at the end of the game and pickin on Lowery.
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GHOLSTON: someone please teach this kid the Freeney spin move. I feel like every time he rushes from the end he drive the Tackle deep into the backfield and he never makes the move back inside when the QB steps up to get the sack. At least 3-4 times last night.
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I still think everyone is over reacting. Its takes time to build chemistry and get everyone on the same page. Offense is just not clicking yet and that has to be expected. I hope that some of you “Jets Fans” didnt expect Favre to come in here and be a mircale worker from day one.
The whole point of bring Favre in was to UPGRADE the Qb position and thats exactly what it was. The upside for this team is tremendous if we can all get on the same page. I think we will but I hope its not too late. Even if its too late, I just hope we can bring some respect and a “winning attitude” back to this organization.
The bottom line is no one can question that this team has heart. Year after year under Mangini, they play tough and never give up. Thats for sure. They play tough every game and have been blown out 1 time in the last three years and that was last year against Dallas. Aside from that, this team comes in and competes every week and they never seem to give.
My honest opinion, and take it for what is worth…. Its not coaching, its not players or personnel… Its having confidence and a winning attitude in the organization. Thats the hardest thing to develop is a winning attitude and a swagger. It can come in any play, it can be any week or any time. I just hope it happens soon.
If you guys remember, in 2006, we had very little talent and a first year rookie coach. We were struggling a bit up until the Cleveland game, which we lost but it seemed that the Jets got a swagger to them. They blitzed the hell out of Cleveland and lost on a B.S. call from the reff with Baker in the endzone.
But we lost that attitude. The winning attitude and confidence has dissappeared for some reason. Thats what we need back and this Sunday is a GUT CHECK game for our team.
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Najy doesnt Bryan Thomas’ statement last week and your statement that no one was motivated fly in the face of your above comment “they play tough every game”?
They also got blown out by the Pats in week 1 last year.
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Also JAX in 06. Last year’s game against the Pat’s involved a hurt QB I wouldn’t consider that as much of a blow out.
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Sean,
Good point. I am talking about the overall team never giving up. Last night, they could have folded the tent and got blown out alot worse but they competed. They compete every game in my opinion.
Sometimes they dont look motivated and emotionless but overall they play tough and compete every week under mangini.
Its usually a close game but the Jets seem to come up short.
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Najy, understood. But dont you see a trend then. Is Mangini getting the job done? I mean currently I dont feel like he is.
I love this team just like you guys do. I love having a tough hard nosed RB like TJ, a tough WR like Cotch, a solid O line. I love that the D is young and much improved and looks like it has the potential to be dominant. But then after these last two games I find myself becoming a pessimist (pretty natural feeling as a Jets fan) and now I am wondering. What happens when Favre is gone. Are Coles and Cotch good enough (two months ago I was raving about them)? The D line isnt getting any younger. When do we get the game breaking WR or RB? Just very frustrated.
Someone please answer my question above about the WRs.
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I still think the onsides kick was a good call. Wright should have had the ball and the Chargers were surprised. That’s life as an NFL coach. You take a chance and it fails and everyone calls for your head. You play it too conservatively and everyone calls for your head.
The TD pass after the onsides kick was a deep middle pass that was good for a 27 yard TD. If Rivers had thrown the same ball after a regular KO, it would’ve been a 50 yard TD…he was wide open. If it had worked (and it should have) maybe the Jets score again and play with a lead and make the 0-2 Chargers press. I liked the call.
If you want a bad onsides kick call, go back to 2006 when Mangini called an onsides kick at home to begin the 3rd quarter against the Colts. At home, it’s just a different dynamic and I’d never open the half with my opponent potentially in Jets territory. On the road against a team with awful special teams after a score? Why not.
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Sean,
The way I look at it, good teams are just good because of the organization. For example… Derrick Ward was cut by the Jets last year. Now, he is one of the better running backs on the Giants and is making big plays all over the field.
All of a sudden, no one cares about Jeremy Shockey because they have Kevin Boss. 2 years ago, no one knew anybody on their O line but now, its one of the best in the league.
Take a look at the Pats. Doesnt it seem weird that no matter who is playing and who is in uniform, they end up winning? Some one always steps up and performs for the Pats.
All the good teams have that. They bring up players, they coach them, and they compete.
I just dont feel that with the Jets.
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To answer Sean, the Jets’ WRs were drafted for Chad. They run great routes and are good YAC guys, but do not get deep, unless there’s some trickery (like play action). I think they’re better at getting separation than others here, but LC, Jericho and Stuckey are mostly possession guys. Also, they are not tall…all 3 are around 6-0, so they do not present any match up problems for CBs (that’s why I still have hope for Brad Smith, who is 6-2). Favre at his best usually had one burner (like Jennings) to open it up for his YAC WR (like Driver) and his TEs. If I were the Jets, I would trade for a speedy WR if Clowney won’t be back by Week 6.
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Sean,
A lot of us were pretty excited about Clowney in the preseason. He beat double coverage on go routes repeatedly. If we have a deep threat, it’s him. He’s back from injury after the bye.
Also, Stuckey is a bright light and he’s very young. This is his first year playing (he was IR last year). He’s had a TD pass in each of the first three games. That’s pretty remarkable.
Also, Favre was finding Keller yesterday. A good sign.
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Najy-
Nice stuff. i could not agree more. There is something missing. If we had beat up Miami (I still think we should have) and lost to NE by a point or two or snuck by (they were not that good that day) and then this at SD, well OK. But 3 games where they are just not crisp and confident-i just don’t know. For all you Brad Smith guys-forget about it. -
WozzyBear says:
After cutting a 10 point lead to 3 following a 94 yard kick return – on the road – in the 1st half, – against a team with an explosive offense – and a surprise onsides kick is supposedly an intelligent decision?
This, after New England worked with half a field the entire game in the previous week, it’s a good idea to give the Chargers a short field?
I couldn’t disagree with you more. The decision to try a surprise insides kick in the first half was AWFUL decision by “Mangenius.” Stupid. Stupid. Stupid.
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SackDance and Andrew: thanks for the replies. I know that Coles, Cotchery and Stuckey are not big and not that fast (Chansi is quicker than others) but their size has never been a problem. I do not doubt that we can win with them and I have never been a big Brad Smith fan because he is not a good route runner. He is big, has good hands (at least in practice) but is relatively slow and has never helped to open things up. I was very optimistic to see Coles and Cotchery running slants and crossing patterns and getting the ball with some room between them and the defenders as opposed to how they used to get the ball and get immediately brought down. We really have not seen much of this and yet it appears that Favre has plenty of time to throw. What is the missing ingredient? Is Favre not ready to hit them on timing patterns yet?
It is nice to see both Keller and Stuckey get involved. It will be even nicer if Clowney is the real deal bc he will be the guy that opens it up. I just feel like we have a good enough WR core to be more productive than we have been. Hopefully it is just a matter of Favre getting comfortable.
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Wozzy-i know some liked the kick, but personally i thought it was idiotic. But the good news is we held them to 49 and have 5 kickers. Oh my God.
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WozzyBear, it was “stupid” because it didn’t work, even though it should have, but Wright blew it. How is that a stupid decision? Also, how about the fact that the Chargers scored on a play that would’ve been a TD anywhere else on the field? It was a good, aggressive call on the road.
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Reprocity says:
Sean, Yes the WR were open but them not being on the same page killed our passing attack.
Schott is really bad with players: Leon 1 rush, And TJ at WR vs Comrite (SP), last week Leon vs Adalius Thomas, No Brad smith even faking the end around, TJ running sweeps. I’d love to hear an excuse for any of these?!?!?
Without Jenkins! 26 carries for 67 yrds = 2.6 yrds per carry for LT and sproles, 5 carries 38 yrds = 7.6 but take away his 21 yard run and it drops to 4.25. And this is bad run d how?
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Reprocity: I said it earlier. The run D was very good. The Defense played with their backs to the wall yet again. Chargers had good field position at least 3-4 times. Problem is that we could not stop the underneath passing and hold them for any 3 and outs. We forced them to work every series to 3 downs but they usually converted.
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The loss of Jenkins impacted our pass rush. Plus, they started gashing us in the 4th quarter for 4 yards a pop.
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This notion that it’s only a “bad” decision if it fails is absolutely absurd! You’re on the road. It’s the first half. You’ve scored 14 points off an INT and following a 94 yd kick return, both breaks in the game that do not occur every week, and you’ve trimmed a 10 point defecit to 3.
Common sense says you don’t press your luck and consider the risk/reward of the play. At that junction of the game, the risk vastly outweighed the reward.
There is a time and a place for a surprise onsides kick, and that was certainly not it. I’m flabbergasted at the number of people who are defending what was so obviously a horrendous coaching decision that lacked common sense.
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Anyone watch the post game interviews? First up Mangini “No it’s not that they are not on the same page, it’s just sometimes the wr and qb see the coverage different.” Which is exactly what “Not being on the same page” means! Then Farve says “Were just not on the same page.” I’m laughing my arse off at this point. Then Farve sarts talking about an injury which HAS to piss off Mangini! I like Farve just because he open and honest.
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Sean, I’m glad we agree on the Run D. This Defence is playing it’s heart out this season and the O is leaving out to dry every game and the Kickers are not helping us out either. How many drives have started in our territory this year?
Did Henry make it to the PS?
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WozzyBear,
Maybe he wasnt confident in the Defense without Jenkins and felt that he needed to compensate for the loss?
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llan,
What game were you watching? To lay the Jets 1st half deficit on Favre is disingenuous. Did he cause Jones’ fumble? Did he tell the offensive line to just let the pass rush get through to him? I think if you look at the tape again you will see two 1st half things that you have overlooked: 1st, – there were several drops by receivers. 2nd – the ball that Cromartie picked would have hit the Jets receiver right on the numbers if Cromartie didn’t have his body draped over his back, shoulders, and helmet. It was clear pass interference, even a Pop Warner referee could have gotten that right!
As far as any quarterback doing what Favre did in the second half, you make it sound like the SD defense took the second half off. Favre was consistent, but not perfect in the second half. But, pass after pass he marched the Jets down the field several times. He never threw deep because the Jets wide receivers just don’t have break away speed. Maybe you missed the one touchdown replay where the ESPN guys showed that Favre looked off 4 receivers until he found the 5th man open. Tell me how many other QBs have that field presence?
You must be a Chad fan!
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Najy -
Compensate for the defense with an onsides kick in the 2nd quarter?!? There was 13:50 left in the half! That’s an eternity.
And trying a surprise onsides kick puts your Jenkinsless defense at a DISADVANTAGE. When your D is hurting, you don’t run the risk of giving the ball to the Chargers at our the 40 yard line with a short field. Unless I’m oddly mistaken, the short field puts your defense right back against the wall.
There is simply no rationalizing this coaching decision. It was a blatantly stupid decision. Plain and simple.
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Former Packers Fan: you talk about the O line playing poorly and also talk about Favre checking down to his fifth option. Tell me how many offensive lines give you enough time to check down to your fifth option.
They did not let the pash rush through to him. In fact, I think they did a great job of picking up blitzes and keeping Favre upright. I feel like most of the time he dropped back he had a lot of time to throw the ball. Hence my earlier comments re the WRs.
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Packers Fan,
And how did Favre get the time to make five different reads?
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Plus, he didn’t throw the ball away once. Usually when you see pressure you get rid of the football. Plus, on blitz packages, it’s Favre’s job to find the receiver making the adjustment and also make o-line calls to account for extra rushers. If you’d been watching all 3 Jets games you’d see that hasn’t been happening all season.
I like Favre. He plays hard. Yesterday was one of his bad games. QBs deserve the praise when the team is going well and the blame when they play very poorly.
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Favre had plenty of time to throw the ball. the Bolts were blitzing 2 out of 3 downs and the Jets blocked it pretty well. Favre had even more time to throw near the goalline. The team is not in sync and it showed. It also gives some fans a chance to realize maybe Mangini and Schotty knew what they were doing not having him throw it 30x in weeks 1&2??
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I keep hearing that the Jets do not have a deep theat… The fact is Favre is a not a great deep ball thrower. He is a great slant and quick read thrower who can take advantage of the defense deep if it’s open. Guys like D Driver and A Freeman are the same players that Cotch and Coles are. Once this offense gets going they will hit those throws and then take shots deep.
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Drew: Hope you are correct bc that was my thought process exactly. I figured these are his types of receivers. Slants, crosses, curls. Figured the transition would be easier than anticipated.
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I have a question….
If Bill Cowher was coaching this team with the same personnel,(same exact players) would the results be any different?
I would like an honest opinion because I am torn right now as to what our problem of being so out of sync is.
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The Mangini haters will say yes. His supporters will say no. The truth of the matter is Cowher took 12 years to win the super bowl. We can pull the cord on Mangini, but I doubt Cowher would be dumb enough to leave retirement to deal with fickle fans like us. He will coach the Panthers or another small market team. Winning takes time but there can be exceptions.
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JustAGreenGuy,
Very true but where do we draw a line with whats logical and whats blind faith?
I am just playing devils advocate.
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I have been a Jet’s fan since before I had the ability of recognizable speech. My logical side says that my only complaint with Mangini is his inability to find a starting QB since taking the reigns. It is really easy for everyone to sit here and say what the Jets should do. The game plan was criticized, but the Chargers had the 31st rank defense. Looking at that number we should have looked like a juggernaut. Had a bad first half because of turnovers and everyone thinks it was horrible. Schott impressed me a couple times last night and I give Mangini a lot of credit because the team shows no signs of quit. That is hard to maintain when losing.
The sample size for this year is to small to fairly judge. We lost the two games we all thought we would lose. Hype built us up. Favre isn’t the savior. He is a stop gap. Week 8 I will have a better idea of how I feel as we all should.
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Plus it is a sport shouldn’t we have a little blind faith? None of us are marrying or working for any of these people just asking them to entertain us. Their decisions could only really effect us if we bet on them. I take football as personal as anybody but it is still just a game and the Jets are still a business. Changing managers every month doesn’t work why would it work with coaches. Ask Al Davis. Plus at least we aren’t teh Lions.
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JetRealist says:
While Cowher did take 12 years to win a superbowl, he make the playoffs his first 6 years or so.
The other thing is whether we would have the same players here now under him.
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JustAGreenGuy,
Here is my issue with this team. You are right, it is still early in the season and we all will have a better understanding later on in the year BUT….
Thus far in the Tangini era (2006,2007, and 3 games in 08), it is safe to say that the Jets have regressed since Mangini took over as head coach. I really dont think that is debateable because numbers speak for themselves.
I mean, how long does it take to build a team anyway? How many years till we start winning? This is the 3rd year and thus far, the Jets dont look much improved from last year despite having all the new faces.
I am contradicting myself a little bit with what I stated earlier but its hard not to question the direction that our team is heading in.
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I don’t believe they have regressed. Herm was nothing without Chad and Curtis. It isn’t easy to replace a hall of fame running back. If there is a difference it is missing Curtis
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Herm inherited a good team and made it weaker. Mangini inherited a bad team and at worst is keeping it bad.
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To me the defense looks incredible compared to last year. Same with the line. We still need offensive playmakers.
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When is it supposed to pay off?? When do we stop with excuses and start winning games?
Last year, it was Chad and his weak arm. Plus the wrong personnel on D and a bad O line. This year, the team needs time to “gel”. All these are valid excuses but when does it stop?
How come the good teams never have excuses and just win?
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It stops after this year. Mangini has been given a vote of confidence and that buys him next year too after that fire him. Favre is going to lead to him losing his job. His best chance was to find a QB of his own and go 8-8 this year.
If your good you don’t need excuse because people put faith in you and give you the benefit of teh doubt.
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I am just really frusturated so you are going to have to excuse me but I am just making some observations and I am trying to be as unbiased as possible.
All we here is that this team is working hard.
After a loss they are going to work on correcting things, etc when is all this work ever going to pay off? From hat we read, this is THE hardest working team in the history of the nfl…
When is this giong to pay off?
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john sec.125 says:
i agree with green guy. but i really believe that namath sold his soul to the devil so the jets could win that super bowl. and this team has and will be cursed for eternity cuz of it.
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Hopefully soon. I’ve already started looking into the 2009 draft (All about Beanie Wells), so wish I could give you a better answer. If we were to fire Mangini I just hope we bring in someone who continues the 3-4.
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John- I have been saying that for years. I’m blogged out today. Take it easy guys.
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Mangini has brought in more talent in 3 years than Herm did in 5! Herm use to rave about Cotchery then who did he start Curtis Conway! The master of the dropped pass untill McCarriens stole the pebble from his hand!
Bad Personel use on Offence means they are stuggling to find an identitiy!
Like I said before: “Schott is really bad with players: Leon 1 rush, And TJ at WR vs Comrite (SP) in the flat that almost went for another Pic 6, last week Leon vs Adalius Thomas, No Brad smith even faking the end around, TJ running sweeps. I’d love to hear an excuse for any of these?!?!?”
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llan,
Favre had time for the five reads because of the pace he initiated when they let him take the reigns. The pace of the 2nd half (mostly because of the score) was much quicker than the first half. The OL did play better in the second half. If you remember your previous comment, you were criticizing Favre’s 1st half performance. Compare the stats of sacks and rushes 1st half to 2nd half and you’ll see what I mean. When the offense opened up, the SD defense wasn’t as aggressive. Favre didn’t give them time to be as effective. I think it also pushed the OL to perform better. They knew they would be almost exclusively pass-blocking. They got into that frame of mind and went to work. But, as I said this was in the 2nd half not the first when Favre didn’t have the time as the sacks and rushes show.
As far as Favre throwing the ball away, come on! Brett always goes to the line expecting to make a reception. He hates to just throw the ball away. Even when he is about to be tackled he often tries to complete a pass. It didn’t work last night, but I have seen him make many a reception with that desperation underhanded toss to a back for a positive gain when he is on his way to the turf wearing a 300 lb. DT.
Yes, this attitude has lead to him holding the interception record as well. It is his Achilles heel. But, Babe Ruth also held strikeout records as well as homerun records. He knew he wasn’t being paid to punch a 1-2 pitch up the middle for a weak single.
Favre has always been an all or nothing kind of QB. In his case, most of the time it has worked. Some times it doesn’t. But, I have seldom seen him make truly foolish throws. He usually has a plan in mind when he lets go of the ball.
And, as far as Favre’s ability to go deep. Did you not see last year’s Monday night OT win against Denver? Or, how about the last Super Bowl the Packers won against the Pats? It is true that he is 38 and might not be able to air the ball out 70 yards in the air any more, but mark my words, once his receivers get used to his checkdowns at the line, there will be more excitement in the Meadowlands!
No, last night was not his best game ever, but come on – a 271 yard 3 TD performance is not something the Jets have seen regularly since Namath!
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i agree. Manigni has brought in more talent but the results have been the same thus far.
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JetRealist says:
I beg your pardon Former Packers’ Fan. We see that perfroance all the time, just form the opposition quarterback.
It’s Vincent Jackson FYI.
And thank you it’s nice to read an article from someone who isn’t panicking from a 1-2 start. Plenty of time left for the Jets to come together. This is some nice upside to this team and at least we got to watch some of it on offense toward the next of the game.