Comments on: A Sobering Statistic http://www.thejetsblog.com/2008/10/22/a-sobering-statistic/ Ranting and Raving about the Gang Green Sat, 21 Nov 2009 06:57:22 -0500 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.6 hourly 1 By: Eddie DiGio http://www.thejetsblog.com/2008/10/22/a-sobering-statistic/comment-page-1/#comment-106350 Eddie DiGio Thu, 23 Oct 2008 20:51:17 +0000 http://www.thejetsblog.com/?p=6835#comment-106350 Najy, Yea man, they gotta figure something out over their because anything less than a playoff berth or lets say they go 10-6 and miss the playoffs bc denver or sd win the west with like an 8-8 or 9-7 record, Mangini and his staff, one that would never get an NFL job anywhere else, gotta go. I dont know how they can honestly look at the way they've performed and not think change needs to be made, or Mangini is such an ego maniac that he just wont make changes to spite the media and the fans who want him gone Najy,
Yea man, they gotta figure something out over their because anything less than a playoff berth or lets say they go 10-6 and miss the playoffs bc denver or sd win the west with like an 8-8 or 9-7 record, Mangini and his staff, one that would never get an NFL job anywhere else, gotta go. I dont know how they can honestly look at the way they’ve performed and not think change needs to be made, or Mangini is such an ego maniac that he just wont make changes to spite the media and the fans who want him gone

]]> By: Najy http://www.thejetsblog.com/2008/10/22/a-sobering-statistic/comment-page-1/#comment-106285 Najy Thu, 23 Oct 2008 14:12:15 +0000 http://www.thejetsblog.com/?p=6835#comment-106285 Eddie DiGio, Excellent point. I too last year thought the same exact thnig when they brought in Callahan. He is assistnat offensive coach; that is his title. He is not the offensive line coach. I def think he should start having more imput on the gameplan and "in-game" playcalling. Eddie DiGio,

Excellent point.

I too last year thought the same exact thnig when they brought in Callahan. He is assistnat offensive coach; that is his title. He is not the offensive line coach.

I def think he should start having more imput on the gameplan and “in-game” playcalling.

]]> By: Eddie DiGio http://www.thejetsblog.com/2008/10/22/a-sobering-statistic/comment-page-1/#comment-106273 Eddie DiGio Thu, 23 Oct 2008 09:36:07 +0000 http://www.thejetsblog.com/?p=6835#comment-106273 Im totally with whoever said give the play calling duties to Bill Callahan. I honestly think thats why they brought him in, if Schott is in over his head, which he clearly is, then Callahan should take over the plays. I loved that raiders offense that Super Bowl year, if that team didnt get old overnight he never loses his job, well with al davis u never know, i'll tell u one thing about crazy al, if the raiders had the players we have with their salaries, Brian "Lil Marty" Schottenhiemer wouldnt have made it past the bye week. Brian Schottenhiemer is a really good QB coach, he has the Schottenhiemer in him of calling plays not to lose, but we'll never win anything significant with him behind the offense Im totally with whoever said give the play calling duties to Bill Callahan. I honestly think thats why they brought him in, if Schott is in over his head, which he clearly is, then Callahan should take over the plays. I loved that raiders offense that Super Bowl year, if that team didnt get old overnight he never loses his job, well with al davis u never know, i’ll tell u one thing about crazy al, if the raiders had the players we have with their salaries, Brian “Lil Marty” Schottenhiemer wouldnt have made it past the bye week. Brian Schottenhiemer is a really good QB coach, he has the Schottenhiemer in him of calling plays not to lose, but we’ll never win anything significant with him behind the offense

]]> By: Bent http://www.thejetsblog.com/2008/10/22/a-sobering-statistic/comment-page-1/#comment-106263 Bent Wed, 22 Oct 2008 22:30:01 +0000 http://www.thejetsblog.com/?p=6835#comment-106263 "With Favre, you just have to take the good with the bad." Exactly...and there's more of both than there usually would be with Pennington back there. But we all knew that would be the case going in, so why is anyone surprised? Glad you cleared up that typo, Jim! “With Favre, you just have to take the good with the bad.”

Exactly…and there’s more of both than there usually would be with Pennington back there. But we all knew that would be the case going in, so why is anyone surprised?

Glad you cleared up that typo, Jim!

]]> By: jim http://www.thejetsblog.com/2008/10/22/a-sobering-statistic/comment-page-1/#comment-106262 jim Wed, 22 Oct 2008 22:25:10 +0000 http://www.thejetsblog.com/?p=6835#comment-106262 i meant missing a wide open keller....lol i meant missing a wide open keller….lol

]]> By: jim http://www.thejetsblog.com/2008/10/22/a-sobering-statistic/comment-page-1/#comment-106261 jim Wed, 22 Oct 2008 22:24:47 +0000 http://www.thejetsblog.com/?p=6835#comment-106261 again...i want someone to tell me which coach is to blame for chris baker falling down all by himself...or for favre kissing a wide open dustin keller on 3rd down...that tannenbaum's fault? mangini's? westhoff's? sutton's? give this crew the rest of the year...tuna wasn't tuna right away....bellycheat wasnt a winner until brady showed up.... please again…i want someone to tell me which coach is to blame for chris baker falling down all by himself…or for favre kissing a wide open dustin keller on 3rd down…that tannenbaum’s fault? mangini’s? westhoff’s? sutton’s?

give this crew the rest of the year…tuna wasn’t tuna right away….bellycheat wasnt a winner until brady showed up….

please

]]> By: SackDance99 http://www.thejetsblog.com/2008/10/22/a-sobering-statistic/comment-page-1/#comment-106258 SackDance99 Wed, 22 Oct 2008 22:19:26 +0000 http://www.thejetsblog.com/?p=6835#comment-106258 In OT, I actually agreed with one of the commentators who said something like "I am surprised the Jets did not continue with the hurry up offense that worked so well at the end of the 4th quarter." Maybe Mangini is too much of a control freak and won't let "Favre be Favre." I thought the Jets got a guy like Favre specifically for games that come down to the 4th quarter or OT and to improve redzone efficiency. Yes, Favre's last play last season was a bad INT in OT, but he also tossed a bomb to win a game in OT last season (I think it was the first play in OT). With Favre, you just have to take the good with the bad. In OT, I actually agreed with one of the commentators who said something like “I am surprised the Jets did not continue with the hurry up offense that worked so well at the end of the 4th quarter.” Maybe Mangini is too much of a control freak and won’t let “Favre be Favre.” I thought the Jets got a guy like Favre specifically for games that come down to the 4th quarter or OT and to improve redzone efficiency. Yes, Favre’s last play last season was a bad INT in OT, but he also tossed a bomb to win a game in OT last season (I think it was the first play in OT). With Favre, you just have to take the good with the bad.

]]> By: subwayfare http://www.thejetsblog.com/2008/10/22/a-sobering-statistic/comment-page-1/#comment-106257 subwayfare Wed, 22 Oct 2008 22:08:38 +0000 http://www.thejetsblog.com/?p=6835#comment-106257 A lot of good points have been brought out in the discussion above. I think the most succinct one is that adjustments weren't made soon enough. Either against Rob Ryan's response to the spread, or his stacking the box against the run later on. The thing that I find the most vexing is the lack of play-action. It seems so weird they wouldn't have tried something Favre's so good at. Maybe there's something we don't know. I do think the WRs got banged up by the press and didn't respond well. I mentioned in another thread that I wished we'd had a real burner out there at WR to scare the DBs off the line. Maybe that will be Clowney when he's finally healed up. A lot of good points have been brought out in the discussion above. I think the most succinct one is that adjustments weren’t made soon enough. Either against Rob Ryan’s response to the spread, or his stacking the box against the run later on. The thing that I find the most vexing is the lack of play-action. It seems so weird they wouldn’t have tried something Favre’s so good at. Maybe there’s something we don’t know. I do think the WRs got banged up by the press and didn’t respond well. I mentioned in another thread that I wished we’d had a real burner out there at WR to scare the DBs off the line. Maybe that will be Clowney when he’s finally healed up.

]]> By: Bent http://www.thejetsblog.com/2008/10/22/a-sobering-statistic/comment-page-1/#comment-106256 Bent Wed, 22 Oct 2008 21:52:18 +0000 http://www.thejetsblog.com/?p=6835#comment-106256 Isn't it just? He got too much of the credit when they won a few and now gets a lot of the blame for the loss. Many other factors have contributed to both (and most of our posters here have done a great job of discussing these at depth). I agree they were "cute", almost to the point of being stubborn in the first half. The spread looked sharp for half a drive, but when the drive stalled, they stuck with it too long and didn't run enough on first down although the run was clearly working. Then in OT, the opposite happened - they ran well on first down but then in the 2nd and 3 type situations they ran again, with no success and had to rely on third downs, which they had struggled with all day. So maybe there they actually could have done with being more cute and less smashmouth. Hindsight is always 20-20, huh? They tried several things, didn't make adjustments soon enough and the game felt like one of those games that no matter what happened, the Jets would lose. You live and learn... Isn’t it just? He got too much of the credit when they won a few and now gets a lot of the blame for the loss. Many other factors have contributed to both (and most of our posters here have done a great job of discussing these at depth).

I agree they were “cute”, almost to the point of being stubborn in the first half. The spread looked sharp for half a drive, but when the drive stalled, they stuck with it too long and didn’t run enough on first down although the run was clearly working. Then in OT, the opposite happened – they ran well on first down but then in the 2nd and 3 type situations they ran again, with no success and had to rely on third downs, which they had struggled with all day. So maybe there they actually could have done with being more cute and less smashmouth.

Hindsight is always 20-20, huh? They tried several things, didn’t make adjustments soon enough and the game felt like one of those games that no matter what happened, the Jets would lose. You live and learn…

]]> By: SackDance99 http://www.thejetsblog.com/2008/10/22/a-sobering-statistic/comment-page-1/#comment-106252 SackDance99 Wed, 22 Oct 2008 21:22:32 +0000 http://www.thejetsblog.com/?p=6835#comment-106252 Bent, it's the nature of the QB position that a disproportionate amount of the glory and blame goes his way. Last season, I thought "Pad Chennington" was given winning game plans and his players executed the plays, but he screwed them up. The only game that I felt that Favre under-performed the game plan was against Cincy. Against Miami and the Cards, his improv skills out-performed the game plan and I just don't think the Jets had good offensive game plans against the Pats or Raiders. (A game plan devised by Walsh, Lomabardi, Belichick wouldn't have worked against that fired up Chargers team). For instance, TJ picks up 39 yards in his first 2 runs of the third quarter's opening drive. So, I have a question for you, Najy, JAGG and anyone else. What would you call next? I bet a pitch to Leon, who inexplicably came in for TJ, would not be your choice. Why bring in Leon? Why not run TJ until he's stopped? If the "goal" is to establish the run, then frackin' establish it! As we all know, Leon fumbled a bad pitch by Favre and the Jets were all of a sudden in a 2nd and 22 hole. WHY???? That's the type of call that's just too cute. Plus, if Callahan steps in, why not fire Schott...maybe Callahan would actually run a guy who just averaged nearly 20 yards for his last 2 carries a third time in a row. Bent, it’s the nature of the QB position that a disproportionate amount of the glory and blame goes his way. Last season, I thought “Pad Chennington” was given winning game plans and his players executed the plays, but he screwed them up. The only game that I felt that Favre under-performed the game plan was against Cincy. Against Miami and the Cards, his improv skills out-performed the game plan and I just don’t think the Jets had good offensive game plans against the Pats or Raiders. (A game plan devised by Walsh, Lomabardi, Belichick wouldn’t have worked against that fired up Chargers team). For instance, TJ picks up 39 yards in his first 2 runs of the third quarter’s opening drive. So, I have a question for you, Najy, JAGG and anyone else. What would you call next? I bet a pitch to Leon, who inexplicably came in for TJ, would not be your choice. Why bring in Leon? Why not run TJ until he’s stopped? If the “goal” is to establish the run, then frackin’ establish it! As we all know, Leon fumbled a bad pitch by Favre and the Jets were all of a sudden in a 2nd and 22 hole. WHY???? That’s the type of call that’s just too cute. Plus, if Callahan steps in, why not fire Schott…maybe Callahan would actually run a guy who just averaged nearly 20 yards for his last 2 carries a third time in a row.

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