Week 9 Ups and Downs
Re-instating an old post we haven’t done so far this year … here’s a look at who’s up and who’s down from the Jets 26-17 victory over the Bills.
Add your ups and downs in the comments:
Up
Kris Jenkins — Led the defense with three QB hits and two sacks. Was the disruption that helped cause the Elam interception.
Thomas Jones — Rushed the ball only 12 times, but ran it well at a 5.8 YPC clip. He also was an instrumental check down late in the game for Favre.
Jerricho Cotchery — Had six catches on the day but was a big part of Favre’s ability to move the chains in the air.
Leon Washington — His returns, a heads up play to field a kick while standing out of bounds and a huge 40 yard catch and run during the first drive outweighed his inconsistent running.
Brett Favre — Yes, he threw only one INT and no TDs, but he for the most part played the scheme that his coaches wanted to, and he didn’t turn the ball over more than that one time. This might have been the first time Favre overcame real adversity to play smart and win in a Jets uniform.
Abram Elam — Elam defense two passes and scored the go-ahead points for the Jets on a 92 yard interception and return for score.
Reggie Hodges — Only punted once for 46 yards, but it was his clutch placement on the last field goal that cemented it for the Jets.
Darrelle Revis — Forced a huge fumble of Trent Edwards early in the game to set up a first and goal for the Jets and stuck with Lee Evans most of the day, who was limited to just four catches for 41 yards.
Down
Dwight Lowery — Was called for another passer interference penalty, and had another rough day at the office for the rookie. Lowery was eventually benched in the second quarter for David Barrett. Lowery’s going to face some adversity, so see how he responds to it now.
Brad Smith — One rush and no catches for Brad Smith. Smith was credited with two special teams tackles.
45 Responses to Week 9 Ups and Downs
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TOON2388 says:
call in Lowery was a joke – and of course Simms backs up the Refs – do announcers now get fined if they criticize officials?
and they never showed a replay on the personal foul called on Thomas
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kc. says:
bbesides LOWERY being called for a WEAK pass interference,he DID have a FORCED FUMBLE to his credit along with 4 tackles. Cody Spencer had a VERY NICE takle on a kick return late in the game that stopped them from having GOOD field position. ACTUALLY,FAVRE DID turn the ball over ONCE and as everyone knows was for a touchdown,but OTHER than that played a VERY SOLID/EFFICIENT game. Jenkins is an absolute BEAST!! and REVIS is probably top 3 corners in the LEAGUE!
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Keith says:
What do you mean Favre didn’t turn the ball over? He threw and INT that went for a TD.
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StuytownKC says:
Kerry Rhodes deserves some credit for that last-second pass deflection over Lee Evans’ shoulder which would have been an easy TD catch.
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billvv says:
The post made that clear. The idea was to express that the coaches wanted to keep down the turnovers, and, for Favre, that was relatively free of turnovers! Well managed, I think was the phrase mostly used ( a reference to CP no doubt!).
I do think what is missing here is that short passes were what was available and SHOULD be what was taken. Call it what you like. That’s how you sustain drives and score points. I’m only sorry they could only get four field goals for all that work. I’d like to see that changed in the near future.
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SackDance99 says:
I have a couple of honorable mentions:
Kerry Rhodes-HUGE break up of a certain TD pass to Evans
Shaun Ellis-the resurgence continues, the Bills lost the LOS and Jenkins gets the most credit, but Ellis was in the Buffalo backfield all day
Alan Faneca-watch TJ’s great 4th quarter run, but this time watch Faneca take out Bills like a bowling ball
Mangold/Moore-Marcus who? Wasn’t Stroud the Bills’ answer to Jenkins? I don’t think so.
Tony Richardson-superb blocking and even a crucial run for a first down
Eric Barton-with Harris out, we needed an LB to step up…Barton was the man.
The Brick-another solid game and improved run-blocking…little by little, Brick’s getting out of my doghouse.
Sutton/Schotty-Hard to quibble with either game plan. I still think Favre needs to throw, at least, one bomb per game, but the ball control, clock-eating offense was what the Jets needed on the road, especially to rest their defense after the Bills ran 27 straight plays for -7 points. If the Jets do anything this year, that stretch by the defense will be the turning point.
Down:
Dustin Keller-that was a big drop on the first drive–you’re the pass-catching TE, if you can’t do that, it’s pine time
Vernon Gholston-I kept on hearing how the Jets needed to draft VG to keep him from the Pats because he’s a beast who terrorizes QBs…he’s becoming a liability on special teams…maybe BB is laughing at how he forced the Jets to draft the classic “looks like Tarzan, hits like Jane” player. So far, he’s the most disappointing 1st round pick by the Jets since Bryan Thomas. Let’s hope he can turn things around like BT.
David Bowens-I guess I’m being too harsh here, but he had an awful first series and still has a long way to go in the passing game, but he was generally good against the run.
Drew Coleman-he’s just not good; he’s a liability out there.
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Roman says:
Let’s not forget Calvin Pace. The man is a beast and has been a great free agent pickup.
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Chase says:
I think that Schott had an improved gameplan. But, I still don’t like the play call on Favre’s interception. When you are up by two scores with the ball in the fourth quarter, relatively deep in your opponents territory, and you have a running back that has been averaging a good ypc against their D, AND a defense that has been stopping Buffalo all day, then why the heck would you throw the ball on first down? That just amazes me. If it was 3rd and 6, then fine; I’ll take a pass. But on first down? I just think that is poor play calling. Although, I do credit him for making the adjustment on the next drive (running on first down), and killing some clock. Hopefully that is a lesson well learned.
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momshead says:
Is there anyone out there that thinks that Drew Coleman should be playing the nickel or dime? He’s like a chicken with his head cut off.
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I really the play calling the first quarter. Looked Chad-like. Middle screens and very conservative. Then opened up later. Played to Win the Game!!!
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Brandon "You're With Me"riweather says:
I’m sorry, but Favre was NOT “Up” – unless being bad, but less bad, qualifies. His TD to the wrong team (again) could have potentially cost us the season. Luckily, the DEFENSE was up to the challenge in this one.
to quote denny green – He is what we thought he is!!!!
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Doug from Long Valley says:
I’m on vacation this week so I won’t see the game until I return.
I meet a guy today with a Buffalo Bills sweat shirt on. I say “you picked the wrong day to wear that shirt”. He says “Our Offensive Coordinator called a lousy game… You guys are lucky we don’t know how to coach”. I laughed to myself and said “it’s the same with every fan the day after a loss”. Let’s go Jets
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swizzle81 says:
Drew Coleman is horrendous and shouldnt even be on the team, definitely a liability out there.
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Harvlis says:
Chase, good point. I felt the same way. Why Favre forces it, when he is in trouble is a mystery, with his experience.
The running game is the key to our Offense. We have a running game but, we don’t know how to use it. We did a better job against the Bills but, we are just scratching the surface. When we have Richardson in the backfield – we can run or pass. He is the key. If we give Favre time, and he gets his confidence back, he will not be forcing the ball as much. It all starts with the run. The opposing defense can’t come with all-out pressure because, Thomas Jones would make them pay. As a result, they sit back a little and Favre can pick them apart. Run, Run, Run, Run, Run. Then throw a bomb. Go Jets!
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Thomas Jones played nice. The Jets need to continue to get him the ball. He’s been one of the few backs not slowed by age.
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The anti-Favre crowd won’t stop. I saw Eli Manning and Jay Cutler throw horrendous pick 6′s right to defensive players yesterday. Yet, Favre was bumped and Greer makes a great twisting INT (with no help from J. Co to try to break it up because even J. Co. thought he could catch it) and he gets flamed. It was only a bad pass because Favre was bumped, if not Favre had J. Co for a big gain, which was what J. Co thought. Tough crowd.
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dcpackerfan says:
I think Favre is still an Up since he managed the game well and did a fabulous drive in the 4th Quarter that ate up most of the clock. That was a real veteran play. I know that the INTs are painful, but what happened to his protection? He was sacked badly.
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md says:
Tony Richardson. In some ways that quick dive to him on 4th and 1 was my favorite call of the game. It was the perfect combination of surprise and fundamental.
He’s been making blocks all year long. That man is ‘solid, solid as a rock.’ He isn’t spectacular but he is a leader by example, and emblematic of the type of players that make a real team. -
Joe B. says:
“What happened to his protection”?! The O-Line did everything but tuck him in and read him a bedtime story yesterday. The interception was the only play that he got hit on all day.
And will everyone please stop giving all of the credit for the Jets’ final drive to Favre? Jesus. Yes, he did his part, but the bulk of the credit should go to TJ and the O-Line for running the ball so effectively over and over again.
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sack –
are you trying to make the case that favre is outplaying eli this year? eli has thrown only 5 picks this season and his team is leading his conference in wins, so lets not compare the two.
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Sackdance,
Don’t get too down on Keller quite yet. He certainly should have made that catch on the quick slant, but he came back with a good catch later. I think he’s a player, but I agree he’s got to get better.
KC, yeah, Cody Spencer got my attention. He really covered some ground, hit, and wrapped it up on two plays that I saw. It made me want to see him get some real time. -
Eddie DiGio says:
Sackdizzle,
Dont even get me started on Drew Coleman. I dont think its possible to be picked on more by an offense than Drew Coleman was/has been this year. He is constantly on the ground or chasing a reciever from behind. After awhile I actually just laugh at it, because you cant even make stuff like that up…. -
Frank says:
In the end, Favre lead us to a win as the QB. When Trent Dilfer lead Baltimore to the Super Bowl, did anyone care that his stats were sub par? Favre puts his teams in 2 position to win almost every week and this is the guy that is going to try to get us in the playoffs. He came here cause he realized the Jets have some talent and needed some leadership and comeback ability for the QB position. Lets hope he can have continued success this next week and beyond. Alot of people are way to critical of him cause he is turnover crazy. Thank god he doesnt go to the Herm Edwards school of playing not to lose mentality
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PA Jetsfan says:
Two additional thoughts:
UP:
I thought the middle of the D was solid, even without Harris. Barton played up (7 tackles, 1 assist), and Spencer (2 tackles) and Bowens (4 tackles, 1 sack) both seemed to do well.DOWN:
Feely. Even though he made 4 field goals – he missed a 37 yarder. We have to get better in the red zone, and our kicking game has to become more dependable. -
Brandon, my point was that even good QBs sometimes fall victim to pick 6s and it’s what happened that says more about the QB than the pick 6 itself. The Eli and Cutler INTs were mistakes from the moment they left their hands and they were untouched. Favre’s INT was altered and if it had been a foot higher would’ve resulted in a catch. You are also throwing out Favre’s game and the fact that his passing was 2/3 of the offense in a tremendous win because of an INT that if Favre had been untouched would’ve been a completion.
And, I will compare Eli and Brett any day of the week. Pending what happens tonight, the Jets could be tied for the second best record in the AFC, Favre has a higher completion %, more TDs, thrown for more yards and has more deep passes completed than Eli. Eli’s QB Rating is barely better than Favre’s (89.7 to 87.8) and Eli has had the benefit of 5 years in the same offense, a better OL and a better running game. Yes, if you have a hatred of INTs, then Eli is, so far, having a better season. But, if you equate record with QB success, then Eli takes a backseat to Kerry Collins. Also, I hate grand pronouncements of so and so is having a better season than so and so. There’s a lot of football left and if Favre has a great game against the Rams and Eli has a poor game against the Eagles, then I could start saying Favre is better and it still wouldn’t mean anything until the season is over.
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john r says:
to TOON2388
how do you call lowry a bust when he was/is a low pick and is in the 1st half of his rookie season.
i hate sport fans that make statements without any real factsalso the front 3 played out of there heads this week, and besides that 1 pass farve played well. the deep stuff wasnt there so he went short and sweet
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Sack -
Yes, even good qb’s having good seasons throw pick 6′s. how many times a year do they do it though? seriously – i don’t know where to find that info, but i’m sure it’s nowhere near what we’ve seen out of favre so far this year.
And, I don’t just have a hatred of INT’s. I have a hatred of stupid decisions. this includes throwing into double coverage, holding the ball too long, and yes, throwing TD’s to the wrong team.
Was favre better this week? without question. was he good? no. He threw 1 TD – to the wrong team – and as far as favre leading the team to victory with that last drive – they rushed 9 times and he completed 5 passes. lets give credit where credit is due (rb’s). they won this game in spite of favre.
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I wouldn’t say they won the game in spite of Favre. That was more the case in the Kansas City game. Favre made the completions he had to make, made one bad mistake and got the hell out of the way the rest of the time. He played slightly better than average, IMO. I’m with you though, as I outlined above, about not praising him for a drive that was carried by TJ and the O-Line.
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Mehl56 says:
Favre makes our running game that mutch better just by stepping on the field- so he does deserve the credit!!!
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Fonzie says:
Hey sack,
Dont compare Eli to FARVE. THey both are mentioned in the same breath because they each have won a super bowl and Eli is better because he showed how much control he had during that game versus the Patriots. Farve needed to be UNDER CONTROL by Mike Holmgren in that Superbowl year. Eli is younger and has a better chance of being more successful than FARVE was and smash FARVE’s records. Sack my friend I cannot believe you because your argument is not solid.
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See, there you guys go again!!! says:
Brandon:
Tell it like it is. You are 100% right and the proof is in the gameplan. We will see the same ball control, run first pass second basic mistake free (I hope) football till the playoffs. Gone is the dysfunctional offense with the gunslinger mentality. Mangini will do everything he can to not “let Farve be Farve” and control him. No doubt farve can make all the throws but those to the enemy can sap a teams positive energy.
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Brandon, I don’t know who you think is a good QB, but I guarantee that whoever it is, he has thrown a pick 6. And, I understand that nobody likes INTs, but “stupid” plays? Holding on to the ball too long? I know that you’re a Favre-hater, but I can’t recall Favre holding on to a ball too long with the Jets. And, the bottom line is that Favre had 2/3 of the offense and that last drive, as great as it was, was only 3 points. Favre was pretty important for the rest of the scoring output.
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Fonz,
“Eli is younger and has a better chance of being more successful than FARVE was and smash FARVE’s records”Are u actually serious with that. Slow your role man its starting to come together!!! Schott has a grip on reality and Favre is throwing the ball with his eyes open!!! STOP HATIN!!!
You have Favre-ette’s syndrome, random outbursts of Brett Bashing!!! “GO JETS MINUS FAVRE” “FAVRE WORSHIPERS” “FAVRE SUCKS”… take a pill bro -
ridinmywave says:
sackdance,
i can actually recall a couple times when the guy has held the ball too long, ecspecially yesterday when he didnt see coles streaking across the back of the end zone, which is why you saw coles go ballistic when he threw it away, im not a favre hater by any means, i actually like the guy’s savvy, and he gives this team “character”….but truth is truth, he’s had numerous m,iscues this year, probably some that cost us a game, but we should have expected this, its a new system, they will click, iron out the wrinkles and look forward to “statement” second half. jenkins and revis for mvp! go jets!…ya dig
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Hey Fonzie:
THERES NO WAY ELI CAN SMASH FARVES RECORDS……. At the rate he is going he would have to play ’till he is 90 yrs old to get 300 (and counting) INT’s.
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Sack -
“Brandon, I don’t know who you think is a good QB, but I guarantee that whoever it is, he has thrown a pick 6.”
you either misread or didn’t read my post, so allow me to copy/paste..
Yes, even good qb’s having good seasons throw pick 6’s. how many times a year do they do it though? seriously – i don’t know where to find that info, but i’m sure it’s nowhere near what we’ve seen out of favre so far this year.
It’s been clear since the day the favre trade was talked about that you were a favre apologist, excusing his high INT totals because of a bad offensive line in GB. During those same conversations, I pointed out that the high INT total was due to bad decision making, and you wanted no part of it. Well, the proof is staring you in the face now. The guy makes HORRIBLE decisions with the ball – and all you can do is make excuses.
As for favre’s importance for the scoring output….
The Defense put 10 points on the board themselves, the opening drive was COMPLETELY due to Leon, and as the last drive was the rb’s.Favre gets credit for putting 10 points on the board (for the jets, 17 overall)
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subwayfare says:
First, let me say that I think Favre makes some outrageous decisions! Sometimes he throws up balls that are just ridiculous! It’s hard to believe any pro QB in his right mind would even consider such a throw!
But the thing is, I have had these exact same thoughts about both interceptions and TDs thrown by Favre. It’s no surprise to me that the guy is such a polarizing figure. People have very different levels of risk/reward tolerance and varying reactions to mistakes.
I’ve been in a pool for fifteen years and have had to pick every Packer game against the spread over that period. I would always think, “Well, Favre will likely throw at least one interception for a TD so there’s 7 right there, but will he throw 2 no one expected him to make to cover it?” In his prime the answer was often yes. 21st century Favre made the pick a little tougher.
There’s no doubt the Jets could use the slightly more controlled 2007 version but I worry about those that want to totally handcuff him. I just think there will come a time in the next 8, and hopefully 9, 10, 11…, games when the Jets will need the cannon to fire and you won’t want it mothballed.
It’s a big coaching challenge. Mangini’s got his work cut out for him. I’m hopeful he will rise to the occasion.
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Pete57 says:
That pick against the Bills was not a “horrible” one. He had J-CO in single coverage and he had a step on his man. Favre was hit as he threw the ball which took something off of it. It happens. J-Co could’ve done a better job defending. Favre has thrown some bad balls this year, but that one wasn’t in that category.
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Brandon, besides being a Pats fan (I’ve been on the Pats blog and you’re there), which decreases your credibility on a Jets fan site, your alleged proof of “horrible” decisions are solely the INTS. Favre also boasts a completion % of 68.4…so, there’s lots of smart decisions there. Also, he’s only suffered 1 losing season, more good decisions. He throws INTs, and some dumb ones, but as Peyton Manning says, every INT has a story and many of Favre’s INTs are made because he believes in his WRs to make plays. And, I only excused Favre’s high INT total for 2005, which was his ONLY losing season with the Packers. How can you legitimately say that Favre is not a great QB? How do you discount his great 2007 season? I’m not making excuses, I’m pointing out something you just don’t see. Yes, I know your favorite QB, Tom Brady, is better, but Favre is pretty good and at 5-3 the Jets have a good shot to unseat your Pats for the AFC East crown.
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Hey Sack,
Is this what you’ve come to? name calling? If I was a pats blog regular, would I be posting with the same name in both places? Do you comment on CNN.com as “Sackdance”? don’t be a d-bag.
-”how can you legitimately say that Favre is not a great QB?”
- WAS a great qb. WAS. His physical abilities have deteriorated to the point where they no longer compensate for his poor decision making-Until they begin keeping track statistically of how many stupid throws a QB makes that go into double or triple coverage, or how often he holds the ball too long, I’ll point to the INT’s – and to your own damn eyes – as evidence of his poor play.
If you don’t think he makes bad decisions with the ball, then you don’t watch the games. Perhaps you follow the jets only through the box scores?
— And don’t give me his completion percentage as evidence of his great decisions. He throws a TON of short passes. He ranks 19th in YPA, and 15th, by the way, in QB rating.
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Brandon, Favre gets credit for 26 points! Wanna know why? Cause he plays for the Jets and they had 26 points. They won the game and played solid and won the game. We could have been like NE and lost 18-15. But we won so who cares who gets the points. Except for fantasy football purposes. Why are being critical of every single decision? Players make errors. A player like Favre leads his team down the field and gets points for his team after his miscue
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CANT WAIT TO SEE THE JETS PLAY VS THE PATS IN A COUPLE OF WEEKS. ITS GOING TO BE A VERY INTERESTING GAME!!!!
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pete, you must farves lawyer or something, yes it was a terrible pick for more reasons than one, he knew the scenario we where in, we shouldnt even have been throwing on 1st down in the first place with score, farve had a WIDE OPEN chansi stuckey in the middle but has a terrible habbit of checking under and then checking over(looking shallow then looking deep) any football analyst can tell you its the other way around….just run the damn play!..and definately dont do that when your under pressure, when you know tyour about to get hit why in the hell would you take it upon yourself to throw across your body to the other side of the field with the thought that it would be accurate. jc couldnt have done ANYTHING about that, he was WELL covered, a qb’s job is to recognize the field, not 15 blind faith passes a game.
The PI on Lowery was a weak call a veteran would get more respect on.
Though Cotch had better numbers, LC had some very key catches.