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	<title>Comments on: Mangini&#8217;s Presser 11/20/2008</title>
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	<description>Ranting and Raving about the Gang Green</description>
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		<title>By: Bent</title>
		<link>http://www.thejetsblog.com/2008/11/20/manginis-presser-11202008/#comment-110393</link>
		<dc:creator>Bent</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Nov 2008 16:39:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I actually agree with him that Keller still looks a bit stiff when running routes.  Could the best be yet to come?

Mike: I agree with you on Gholston.  The Rams have the luxury of being able to give Chris Long time because they are struggling.  If they were in the hunt and a veteran was capable of doing a better job, you wouldn&#039;t see him (and everybody knew Long was more NFL-ready, which is why he was drafted earlier).  I know which team I&#039;d rather be.  To nitpick: Leon didn&#039;t really &quot;turn it around&quot; after his first season.  He has a true weapon as a rookie and even had a couple of 100 yard games.  His productivity even went down in his second year, as he switched to being a full time return man.

Personally, I never had much faith in Hall because he kicked too low and had a few clutch ones blocked.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I actually agree with him that Keller still looks a bit stiff when running routes.  Could the best be yet to come?</p>
<p>Mike: I agree with you on Gholston.  The Rams have the luxury of being able to give Chris Long time because they are struggling.  If they were in the hunt and a veteran was capable of doing a better job, you wouldn&#8217;t see him (and everybody knew Long was more NFL-ready, which is why he was drafted earlier).  I know which team I&#8217;d rather be.  To nitpick: Leon didn&#8217;t really &#8220;turn it around&#8221; after his first season.  He has a true weapon as a rookie and even had a couple of 100 yard games.  His productivity even went down in his second year, as he switched to being a full time return man.</p>
<p>Personally, I never had much faith in Hall because he kicked too low and had a few clutch ones blocked.</p>
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		<title>By: sjfalcon2001</title>
		<link>http://www.thejetsblog.com/2008/11/20/manginis-presser-11202008/#comment-110343</link>
		<dc:creator>sjfalcon2001</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Nov 2008 05:07:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Gholston should be better after the next off season training camps.  Remember, he missed all the rookie camps and even some of the preseason camps.  If he doesn&#039;t develop next year, then I&#039;d say he&#039;s a bust.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gholston should be better after the next off season training camps.  Remember, he missed all the rookie camps and even some of the preseason camps.  If he doesn&#8217;t develop next year, then I&#8217;d say he&#8217;s a bust.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike</title>
		<link>http://www.thejetsblog.com/2008/11/20/manginis-presser-11202008/#comment-110333</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Nov 2008 02:00:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Folks, I&#039;m as big a Jets fan as anyone here and I have NO confidence in Nugent. Never have. Doesn&#039;t he remind you of John Hall? Really? Highly touted b/c he could hit the long FG&#039;s....but totally inconsistent. I keep having visions of Hall missing that FG against Detroit at the Meadowlands several years ago and think &quot;THAT COULD BE NUGENT&quot;. I don&#039;t know. Not that Feely is Vinatieri, but I definitely don&#039;t feel negative about him. As for Gholston...I&#039;d rather him not play until he&#039;s ready than to play and stink and have his career be done in 2 years. Maybe he&#039;ll turn it around like Leon W did after his first year. I still have hope for him. As for Mawae...classic &quot;I&#039;m glad he&#039;s on OUR team&quot; but hate him when he&#039;s not. I cannot wait for this game. Huge measuring stick.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Folks, I&#8217;m as big a Jets fan as anyone here and I have NO confidence in Nugent. Never have. Doesn&#8217;t he remind you of John Hall? Really? Highly touted b/c he could hit the long FG&#8217;s&#8230;.but totally inconsistent. I keep having visions of Hall missing that FG against Detroit at the Meadowlands several years ago and think &#8220;THAT COULD BE NUGENT&#8221;. I don&#8217;t know. Not that Feely is Vinatieri, but I definitely don&#8217;t feel negative about him. As for Gholston&#8230;I&#8217;d rather him not play until he&#8217;s ready than to play and stink and have his career be done in 2 years. Maybe he&#8217;ll turn it around like Leon W did after his first year. I still have hope for him. As for Mawae&#8230;classic &#8220;I&#8217;m glad he&#8217;s on OUR team&#8221; but hate him when he&#8217;s not. I cannot wait for this game. Huge measuring stick.</p>
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		<title>By: SackDance99</title>
		<link>http://www.thejetsblog.com/2008/11/20/manginis-presser-11202008/#comment-110325</link>
		<dc:creator>SackDance99</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Nov 2008 23:26:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Andrew,

He was not &quot;over the hill&quot; in 2005.  In fact, in the Jags game when Chad got injured and then Fiedler got injured, Chad had a scramble that almost resulted in a TD and who was leading the way downfield?  Mawae.  And. if Chad had simply followed him, he would&#039;ve scored.  Also, Sowell scored right up the middle behind Mawae and that&#039;s when Henderson and Stroud were beasts.  I saw no detioration in his skills.  He got injured.  Since he&#039;s returned healthy to the Titans, it&#039;s no surprise that their running game has taken off and he&#039;s having a great season by all accounts.  Kris better bring his A game, Mawae is very crafty, but he can be overwhelmed at the point of attack, but beware his downfield blocking; that&#039;s where he&#039;s best.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Andrew,</p>
<p>He was not &#8220;over the hill&#8221; in 2005.  In fact, in the Jags game when Chad got injured and then Fiedler got injured, Chad had a scramble that almost resulted in a TD and who was leading the way downfield?  Mawae.  And. if Chad had simply followed him, he would&#8217;ve scored.  Also, Sowell scored right up the middle behind Mawae and that&#8217;s when Henderson and Stroud were beasts.  I saw no detioration in his skills.  He got injured.  Since he&#8217;s returned healthy to the Titans, it&#8217;s no surprise that their running game has taken off and he&#8217;s having a great season by all accounts.  Kris better bring his A game, Mawae is very crafty, but he can be overwhelmed at the point of attack, but beware his downfield blocking; that&#8217;s where he&#8217;s best.</p>
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		<title>By: SackDance99</title>
		<link>http://www.thejetsblog.com/2008/11/20/manginis-presser-11202008/#comment-110324</link>
		<dc:creator>SackDance99</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Nov 2008 23:15:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Harlan and Pete 57,

Winston Hill was a bit before my time and I have a bias for centers.  Leaving Hill out (and his 8 Pro Bowl appearances, several in the AFL, are impressive and he was an LT), and I have no reason to dispute his greatness, the best Jets OL that I saw before Mawae was Marvin Powell.  And, while I saw Herman at the end of his career, I don&#039;t think he was better than Marvin.  But, with all due respect to Joe Fields, who was a very good center, Mawae was just much better.  Mawae is probably the greatest pulling center of all time.  He is a 6-time Pro Bowler (and, IMO, a lock for a 7th this season) and a 2-time All Pro (he also has a great chance to get his 3rd this year and he was 1st or 2nd team All-Pro 6 times).  All of his post-season honors to date were with the Jets.  He&#039;s a lock for the HOF and I hope he wears the green and white in Canton.  And, if it wasn&#039;t obvious, I stand by my claim that he&#039;s the best OL ever to wear a Jets uniform; but, I have no problem with people saying Hill was the best and I know a lot of old-timers think it&#039;s a travesty that he&#039;s not in the HOF.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Harlan and Pete 57,</p>
<p>Winston Hill was a bit before my time and I have a bias for centers.  Leaving Hill out (and his 8 Pro Bowl appearances, several in the AFL, are impressive and he was an LT), and I have no reason to dispute his greatness, the best Jets OL that I saw before Mawae was Marvin Powell.  And, while I saw Herman at the end of his career, I don&#8217;t think he was better than Marvin.  But, with all due respect to Joe Fields, who was a very good center, Mawae was just much better.  Mawae is probably the greatest pulling center of all time.  He is a 6-time Pro Bowler (and, IMO, a lock for a 7th this season) and a 2-time All Pro (he also has a great chance to get his 3rd this year and he was 1st or 2nd team All-Pro 6 times).  All of his post-season honors to date were with the Jets.  He&#8217;s a lock for the HOF and I hope he wears the green and white in Canton.  And, if it wasn&#8217;t obvious, I stand by my claim that he&#8217;s the best OL ever to wear a Jets uniform; but, I have no problem with people saying Hill was the best and I know a lot of old-timers think it&#8217;s a travesty that he&#8217;s not in the HOF.</p>
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		<title>By: billvv</title>
		<link>http://www.thejetsblog.com/2008/11/20/manginis-presser-11202008/#comment-110301</link>
		<dc:creator>billvv</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Nov 2008 21:19:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m hearing alot of &quot;throw him off the bus&quot; talk lately.  Keeping two kickers is really not an issue.  It&#039;s not like there is a guy we need we can&#039;t get unless somebody leaves.  Ty Law comes to mind and room was made.  EOS.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m hearing alot of &#8220;throw him off the bus&#8221; talk lately.  Keeping two kickers is really not an issue.  It&#8217;s not like there is a guy we need we can&#8217;t get unless somebody leaves.  Ty Law comes to mind and room was made.  EOS.</p>
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		<title>By: Andrew Weiss</title>
		<link>http://www.thejetsblog.com/2008/11/20/manginis-presser-11202008/#comment-110299</link>
		<dc:creator>Andrew Weiss</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Nov 2008 21:08:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Winston Hill, definitely!  Best I ever saw in the uniform.

Mawae was over-the-hill and injured in 2005 when he wasn&#039;t re-signed.  He&#039;s 37 and goes about 280.  He better bring a gun if he wants to stop Jenks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Winston Hill, definitely!  Best I ever saw in the uniform.</p>
<p>Mawae was over-the-hill and injured in 2005 when he wasn&#8217;t re-signed.  He&#8217;s 37 and goes about 280.  He better bring a gun if he wants to stop Jenks.</p>
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		<title>By: 18andOne</title>
		<link>http://www.thejetsblog.com/2008/11/20/manginis-presser-11202008/#comment-110298</link>
		<dc:creator>18andOne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Nov 2008 20:40:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Basset, good memory about Mawae!  Didn&#039;t he get fined for clubbing people with that cast?  In today&#039;s NFL he probably would have been suspened five games.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Basset, good memory about Mawae!  Didn&#8217;t he get fined for clubbing people with that cast?  In today&#8217;s NFL he probably would have been suspened five games.</p>
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		<title>By: JustAGreenGuy</title>
		<link>http://www.thejetsblog.com/2008/11/20/manginis-presser-11202008/#comment-110297</link>
		<dc:creator>JustAGreenGuy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Nov 2008 20:25:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jason- Weak leg? What mike Nugent do you know? I have never seen him be short on a kick of over 50 yards. I&#039;ve seen him hit the upright on a ball that would have been good for over 60. Is this just your opinion? Any factual basis?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jason- Weak leg? What mike Nugent do you know? I have never seen him be short on a kick of over 50 yards. I&#8217;ve seen him hit the upright on a ball that would have been good for over 60. Is this just your opinion? Any factual basis?</p>
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		<title>By: Jason</title>
		<link>http://www.thejetsblog.com/2008/11/20/manginis-presser-11202008/#comment-110296</link>
		<dc:creator>Jason</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Nov 2008 20:22:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Feely gives us a chance from 40+ yards, Nugent not so much, he has a weak leg, coaching staff wont even try him against the wind. What does that tell ya.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Feely gives us a chance from 40+ yards, Nugent not so much, he has a weak leg, coaching staff wont even try him against the wind. What does that tell ya.</p>
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