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	<title>Comments on: JMattera&#8217;s Gridiron Grudges &#8211; Week 12</title>
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		<title>By: Bent</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bent</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Nov 2008 09:54:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with all of you, was just giving a optimistic big picture view.

One nitpick Eddie: he didn&#039;t have a whole training camp to make progress, because he came in late.  Toss in a position change, no Senior year in college and a lack of HS football experience and you have a recipe for a slow start.

The comment that the guys who are actually playing should be the ones we are focusing on kind of sums up my point.  Let&#039;s stop worrying about VG, since he was never likely to contribute much this year.

Either he will become good eventually, or he won&#039;t and neither can be ruled out based on what we have seen so far.  Hopefully it will be the former.  Either way, that won&#039;t affect Sunday or the Jets playoff push this season.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with all of you, was just giving a optimistic big picture view.</p>
<p>One nitpick Eddie: he didn&#8217;t have a whole training camp to make progress, because he came in late.  Toss in a position change, no Senior year in college and a lack of HS football experience and you have a recipe for a slow start.</p>
<p>The comment that the guys who are actually playing should be the ones we are focusing on kind of sums up my point.  Let&#8217;s stop worrying about VG, since he was never likely to contribute much this year.</p>
<p>Either he will become good eventually, or he won&#8217;t and neither can be ruled out based on what we have seen so far.  Hopefully it will be the former.  Either way, that won&#8217;t affect Sunday or the Jets playoff push this season.</p>
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		<title>By: Eddie DiGio</title>
		<link>http://www.thejetsblog.com/2008/11/21/jmatteras-gridiron-grudges-week-12/comment-page-1/#comment-110533</link>
		<dc:creator>Eddie DiGio</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Nov 2008 05:18:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bent
Gholston is a physical specimen yes. His combine was out of this world and he did set the sack record at a school with a history of turning out big time defensive players. However his performance does not warrant the coaching staff to think of him as anything more than an afterthought and a project. He had a whole training camp to make progress and start to be in the right spots. He has done nothing up to this point. The tools are there but a light has to go on upstairs or a fire has to be started under his behind. Im not saying one day he wont strike fear into the hearts of QB&#039;s and Tackles all over the league. I would just like the coaching staff to focus on more ways to free up Pace, BT and Shaun Ellis. Those guys have been busting people up all season and are the guys we should be focusing on.
I think we are talking about two different things but I will tell you that you help run a great site and your input is well respected</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bent<br />
Gholston is a physical specimen yes. His combine was out of this world and he did set the sack record at a school with a history of turning out big time defensive players. However his performance does not warrant the coaching staff to think of him as anything more than an afterthought and a project. He had a whole training camp to make progress and start to be in the right spots. He has done nothing up to this point. The tools are there but a light has to go on upstairs or a fire has to be started under his behind. Im not saying one day he wont strike fear into the hearts of QB&#8217;s and Tackles all over the league. I would just like the coaching staff to focus on more ways to free up Pace, BT and Shaun Ellis. Those guys have been busting people up all season and are the guys we should be focusing on.<br />
I think we are talking about two different things but I will tell you that you help run a great site and your input is well respected</p>
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		<title>By: burf</title>
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		<dc:creator>burf</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Nov 2008 21:39:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>On O, I&#039;d like to see Keller, Leon, and Brad Smith on the field at the same time... for once, especially on first downs, when a pass rush might be less than on 3rd down.  Each of these guys is a playmaker, and in their own way will present matchup problems... but together, it could provide some interesting outcomes for us.
On D, obviously, our focus should be on the run, to force Collins to win it.  I&#039;d actually like to see some 4-3, which could help generate more passrush, without the usual blitz.
And maybe even get Gholston some reps, since people like him so much ;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>On O, I&#8217;d like to see Keller, Leon, and Brad Smith on the field at the same time&#8230; for once, especially on first downs, when a pass rush might be less than on 3rd down.  Each of these guys is a playmaker, and in their own way will present matchup problems&#8230; but together, it could provide some interesting outcomes for us.<br />
On D, obviously, our focus should be on the run, to force Collins to win it.  I&#8217;d actually like to see some 4-3, which could help generate more passrush, without the usual blitz.<br />
And maybe even get Gholston some reps, since people like him so much ;)</p>
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		<title>By: SackDance99</title>
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		<dc:creator>SackDance99</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Nov 2008 18:04:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was never a fan of the Gholston pick.  He took up football in his teen years (never underestimate the benefit of youth football) and was begged by his HS football coach to play because he was a bodybuilder.  To me, he plays football like a guy who is very strong and fast, but he&#039;s not a football player.  Now, in just his 5th year as a defensive football player (ironically, he was all-state as an OG!?!), he&#039;s trying to make the leap into the premier position in the 3-4 -- weakside OLB -- after playing DE at OSU.  I just don&#039;t know if he can do it.  I guess given his measurables, he was worth the try.  But, I wouldn&#039;t expect anything from him until 2010 and that&#039;s only if he really wants to play football.  It&#039;s also too early to experiment with him, but given his success as an OG and DE, maybe he should pack on 20-30 lbs. and try the DL.  But, he probably would be more of a 4-3 DE and actually has a similar skill set and measurables to Justin Tuck (who is an inch taller and 10 lbs heavier).  To me, he seems lost at LB.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was never a fan of the Gholston pick.  He took up football in his teen years (never underestimate the benefit of youth football) and was begged by his HS football coach to play because he was a bodybuilder.  To me, he plays football like a guy who is very strong and fast, but he&#8217;s not a football player.  Now, in just his 5th year as a defensive football player (ironically, he was all-state as an OG!?!), he&#8217;s trying to make the leap into the premier position in the 3-4 &#8212; weakside OLB &#8212; after playing DE at OSU.  I just don&#8217;t know if he can do it.  I guess given his measurables, he was worth the try.  But, I wouldn&#8217;t expect anything from him until 2010 and that&#8217;s only if he really wants to play football.  It&#8217;s also too early to experiment with him, but given his success as an OG and DE, maybe he should pack on 20-30 lbs. and try the DL.  But, he probably would be more of a 4-3 DE and actually has a similar skill set and measurables to Justin Tuck (who is an inch taller and 10 lbs heavier).  To me, he seems lost at LB.</p>
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		<title>By: kc.</title>
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		<dc:creator>kc.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Nov 2008 14:24:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bent...THAT is why YOU run this site!GREAT post.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bent&#8230;THAT is why YOU run this site!GREAT post.</p>
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		<title>By: James in TN</title>
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		<dc:creator>James in TN</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Nov 2008 13:01:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Gholston is having problems with the NFL because he was a big fish in a small pond.  The Big Ten is a Big Joke.  Every year that the BCS puts them in the title game, they get their a$$ handed to them by the SEC.  Just a thought but drafting from a tough conference as opposed to drafting from a weak conference does help in the development process.  However, I think Ainge will have company on the steroid list when VG is busted.  And believe me VG is a bust.  Keller and Lowery so far the best of our 2008 draft.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gholston is having problems with the NFL because he was a big fish in a small pond.  The Big Ten is a Big Joke.  Every year that the BCS puts them in the title game, they get their a$$ handed to them by the SEC.  Just a thought but drafting from a tough conference as opposed to drafting from a weak conference does help in the development process.  However, I think Ainge will have company on the steroid list when VG is busted.  And believe me VG is a bust.  Keller and Lowery so far the best of our 2008 draft.</p>
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		<title>By: Bent</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bent</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Nov 2008 10:39:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think third down is the key on this game and Haynesworth will typically sometimes line up as a DE in such situations.

I think he might go after Faneca, who is a tremendous run blocker but has made a few mistakes in pass protection, but he can probably give any of our linemen problems one-on-one, so the key is that the protection must be adequate to give help.  This is partly on Favre (who must call the protection at the line), although the preparation by Callahan will be critical.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think third down is the key on this game and Haynesworth will typically sometimes line up as a DE in such situations.</p>
<p>I think he might go after Faneca, who is a tremendous run blocker but has made a few mistakes in pass protection, but he can probably give any of our linemen problems one-on-one, so the key is that the protection must be adequate to give help.  This is partly on Favre (who must call the protection at the line), although the preparation by Callahan will be critical.</p>
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		<title>By: Bent</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bent</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Nov 2008 10:35:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If Gholston had stayed at OSU this year, he probably would have 15-20 sacks, without developing any of the skills he needs to be a successful NFL player, because his speed and power would be too much for any Big Ten lineman to handle.  This would make him a consensus top three pick, maybe even a number one candidate.

So, next year, some team would be drafting him with a bigger contract than that which the Jets have given him this year, and he would be just as raw.  At least the Jets are getting a guy that has worked at his NFL skills and knows what it takes to play in the league.

3-4 OLB is his best NFL position, according to many experts.  He might struggle with gap control as a 4-3 lineman.  3-4 lineman, as noted above, is not an option.  3-4 DE&#039;s are typically 290-300 and VG is in the 260&#039;s, but more importantly, it doesn&#039;t suit his skillset.  

As I posted in the offseason, I only really expected him to be used in a situational pass rusher role this year with a more expanded role next season.  The trouble with that is that the offense knows what&#039;s coming, which makes it really easy for them to pick him up and this, coupled with the fact that he has not refined any pass rushing moves, limits his effectiveness in that role.  Even so, he did have a couple of pressures and near-sacks in limited action earlier in the year, so wasn&#039;t a complete loss.  

The Jets instead used him more in a conventional 3-4 OLB role in some games and he showed some promise, albeit without statistical productivity, in that role, which was a bit unexpected.  He has been contributing well on special teams (apart from the missed tackle in Buffalo), which is important for his development.

As noted, when in a playoff race, reps for the new guy are a luxury that can&#039;t be afforded.

And all the calls for him to get reps in garbage time might make sense, but if VG is on a heavily incentive based contract (which he is), then some meaningless sacks could prove to be expensive on next year&#039;s cap (where they are already up against it, especially if they keep winning).  Instead, I&#039;d expect to see him unleashed in meaningful action, when he&#039;s ready, which may or may not be until next year.

I don&#039;t see any hate, just frustration, which is understandable because the media gave everybody unrealistic expectations (to the point where I was told I was not a Jets fan because I said I&#039;d take the under when someone predicted he&#039;d have six sacks).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If Gholston had stayed at OSU this year, he probably would have 15-20 sacks, without developing any of the skills he needs to be a successful NFL player, because his speed and power would be too much for any Big Ten lineman to handle.  This would make him a consensus top three pick, maybe even a number one candidate.</p>
<p>So, next year, some team would be drafting him with a bigger contract than that which the Jets have given him this year, and he would be just as raw.  At least the Jets are getting a guy that has worked at his NFL skills and knows what it takes to play in the league.</p>
<p>3-4 OLB is his best NFL position, according to many experts.  He might struggle with gap control as a 4-3 lineman.  3-4 lineman, as noted above, is not an option.  3-4 DE&#8217;s are typically 290-300 and VG is in the 260&#8217;s, but more importantly, it doesn&#8217;t suit his skillset.  </p>
<p>As I posted in the offseason, I only really expected him to be used in a situational pass rusher role this year with a more expanded role next season.  The trouble with that is that the offense knows what&#8217;s coming, which makes it really easy for them to pick him up and this, coupled with the fact that he has not refined any pass rushing moves, limits his effectiveness in that role.  Even so, he did have a couple of pressures and near-sacks in limited action earlier in the year, so wasn&#8217;t a complete loss.  </p>
<p>The Jets instead used him more in a conventional 3-4 OLB role in some games and he showed some promise, albeit without statistical productivity, in that role, which was a bit unexpected.  He has been contributing well on special teams (apart from the missed tackle in Buffalo), which is important for his development.</p>
<p>As noted, when in a playoff race, reps for the new guy are a luxury that can&#8217;t be afforded.</p>
<p>And all the calls for him to get reps in garbage time might make sense, but if VG is on a heavily incentive based contract (which he is), then some meaningless sacks could prove to be expensive on next year&#8217;s cap (where they are already up against it, especially if they keep winning).  Instead, I&#8217;d expect to see him unleashed in meaningful action, when he&#8217;s ready, which may or may not be until next year.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t see any hate, just frustration, which is understandable because the media gave everybody unrealistic expectations (to the point where I was told I was not a Jets fan because I said I&#8217;d take the under when someone predicted he&#8217;d have six sacks).</p>
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		<title>By: CRIMSON-SE7EN</title>
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		<dc:creator>CRIMSON-SE7EN</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Nov 2008 09:42:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It was interesting to read comments on V. Gholston. Man, alot of haters! Yes, its frustrating to see a top 6 pick not contributing unlike the Patriots young stud in Jerod Mayo,but don&#039;t give up on him just yet there is a reason &quot;many teams&quot; would of loved to get V.G. (including the Patriots) in the first round. He will be a great player when his time comes. No doubt in my mind. As for this game on Sunday,all I have to say is...Make Kerry Collins beat us! He has no weapons other than Chris Johnson. Gage,Scaife,and Lendale...please! Jets 31 Titans 17</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It was interesting to read comments on V. Gholston. Man, alot of haters! Yes, its frustrating to see a top 6 pick not contributing unlike the Patriots young stud in Jerod Mayo,but don&#8217;t give up on him just yet there is a reason &#8220;many teams&#8221; would of loved to get V.G. (including the Patriots) in the first round. He will be a great player when his time comes. No doubt in my mind. As for this game on Sunday,all I have to say is&#8230;Make Kerry Collins beat us! He has no weapons other than Chris Johnson. Gage,Scaife,and Lendale&#8230;please! Jets 31 Titans 17</p>
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		<title>By: Eddie DiGio</title>
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		<dc:creator>Eddie DiGio</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Nov 2008 06:14:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i dont hate gholston, I just think that he should have been at Ohio State this year instead of the NFL. In retrospect I think that he should get a limited number of oppurtunities at end of 3rd and long when we have 4 rushers... For the Favre haters, listen to Mangini on Mike&#039;d up today. Listen to that interview and tell me how much he &quot;controls&quot; Favre. This is a partnership guys, these two are in it together. What you are seeing is the happy medium starting to work and it&#039;s just lovely

Fonzie&#039;s Chad Pennington Fact 
Chad Pennington challenged Lance Armstrong to a testicle contest. Chad won by 5</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i dont hate gholston, I just think that he should have been at Ohio State this year instead of the NFL. In retrospect I think that he should get a limited number of oppurtunities at end of 3rd and long when we have 4 rushers&#8230; For the Favre haters, listen to Mangini on Mike&#8217;d up today. Listen to that interview and tell me how much he &#8220;controls&#8221; Favre. This is a partnership guys, these two are in it together. What you are seeing is the happy medium starting to work and it&#8217;s just lovely</p>
<p>Fonzie&#8217;s Chad Pennington Fact<br />
Chad Pennington challenged Lance Armstrong to a testicle contest. Chad won by 5</p>
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