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		<title>By: Dean Barbella</title>
		<link>http://www.thejetsblog.com/2008/11/26/how-good-is-tannenbaum/#comment-111324</link>
		<dc:creator>Dean Barbella</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Nov 2008 19:53:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bent,

I appeciate the detailed explanation and recognize I&#039;ve got a lot to learn regarding the D-Rob and Vilma contracts and how the numbers relate to Jets dead cap space. Still, it&#039;s hard to understand how (why) it was better for Jets to sit on D-Rob and Vilma for the season?

Limited availability of NG&#039;s and ILB&#039;s shouldn&#039;t have prevented Jets from moving D-Rob and Vilma, because one thing Jets had no shortage of was holes to fill. 

No one expected the Jets to go to the Super Bowl. Why not play with Kassel and Pouha and land players in other positions (O-line, DB,s) or draft picks. I know Tannbaum pulled a &quot;Houdini,&quot; masterfully breaking the shackles to D-Rob&#039;s contract ... just days away from eating it. I just can&#039;t fathom how (why) he got himself into the desperate straights to begin with?

I&#039;ll have to understand more about the money side of the house to comprehend how (why) it was better to sit on Vilma and D-Rob for a wasted, injury-filled year.

From where I&#039;m sitting (admittedly ignorant) it still doesn&#039;t make sense?!

Fustrated in &#039;07 and Elated in &#039;08!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bent,</p>
<p>I appeciate the detailed explanation and recognize I&#8217;ve got a lot to learn regarding the D-Rob and Vilma contracts and how the numbers relate to Jets dead cap space. Still, it&#8217;s hard to understand how (why) it was better for Jets to sit on D-Rob and Vilma for the season?</p>
<p>Limited availability of NG&#8217;s and ILB&#8217;s shouldn&#8217;t have prevented Jets from moving D-Rob and Vilma, because one thing Jets had no shortage of was holes to fill. </p>
<p>No one expected the Jets to go to the Super Bowl. Why not play with Kassel and Pouha and land players in other positions (O-line, DB,s) or draft picks. I know Tannbaum pulled a &#8220;Houdini,&#8221; masterfully breaking the shackles to D-Rob&#8217;s contract &#8230; just days away from eating it. I just can&#8217;t fathom how (why) he got himself into the desperate straights to begin with?</p>
<p>I&#8217;ll have to understand more about the money side of the house to comprehend how (why) it was better to sit on Vilma and D-Rob for a wasted, injury-filled year.</p>
<p>From where I&#8217;m sitting (admittedly ignorant) it still doesn&#8217;t make sense?!</p>
<p>Fustrated in &#8217;07 and Elated in &#8217;08!</p>
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		<title>By: EricBleedsGreen</title>
		<link>http://www.thejetsblog.com/2008/11/26/how-good-is-tannenbaum/#comment-111321</link>
		<dc:creator>EricBleedsGreen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Nov 2008 18:32:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What is this 2010 no cap that I keep reading. Does this mean that come 2010 there will be no cap in football? if so how long will it last.

having this cap is what makes football the best sport by far!!

Thanks for the clarification.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What is this 2010 no cap that I keep reading. Does this mean that come 2010 there will be no cap in football? if so how long will it last.</p>
<p>having this cap is what makes football the best sport by far!!</p>
<p>Thanks for the clarification.</p>
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		<title>By: Harvlis</title>
		<link>http://www.thejetsblog.com/2008/11/26/how-good-is-tannenbaum/#comment-111313</link>
		<dc:creator>Harvlis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Nov 2008 16:41:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Being a Jet fan for so long, I had to see Tannenbaum&#039;s moves come together, before giving praise.  Well, almost everything he did has worked out.  He turned our laughing stock into a force.  It&#039;s a great feeling, when you can&#039;t wait for the next Sunday to come.  Thanks, Mike.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Being a Jet fan for so long, I had to see Tannenbaum&#8217;s moves come together, before giving praise.  Well, almost everything he did has worked out.  He turned our laughing stock into a force.  It&#8217;s a great feeling, when you can&#8217;t wait for the next Sunday to come.  Thanks, Mike.</p>
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		<title>By: Andrew Weiss</title>
		<link>http://www.thejetsblog.com/2008/11/26/how-good-is-tannenbaum/#comment-111301</link>
		<dc:creator>Andrew Weiss</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Nov 2008 14:21:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Remember, too that when Brett leaves it frees up almost thirteen million in cap space.  If you fill his spot with a guy like Ratliff, it opens up other opportunities.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Remember, too that when Brett leaves it frees up almost thirteen million in cap space.  If you fill his spot with a guy like Ratliff, it opens up other opportunities.</p>
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		<title>By: Bent</title>
		<link>http://www.thejetsblog.com/2008/11/26/how-good-is-tannenbaum/#comment-111292</link>
		<dc:creator>Bent</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Nov 2008 13:22:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dean:

Tannenbaum did not spend any money after 2006 because (a) the types of players they needed were unavailable and (b) they had very limited cap space.  I was saying throughout the offseason that year that we shouldn&#039;t expect too many signings, but that the cap would be in great shape for 2008 and they would spend then.  And they did, despite many people insisting they wouldn&#039;t because the front office was too cheap.  Tannenbaum was called an idiot for not even trying to sign Steinbach to play guard (when he signed for $49.5m over seven years and the Jets had just $2m of cap space).  A lot of this was due to the fact that the media misrespresented the amount of cap space the Jets had, so there was a perception that they had simply kept the money which was not true.

They have executed the plan exactly the way I would have done.  It&#039;s a shame that last year was such a sour one, but it hasn&#039;t hurt our chances this year.  Don&#039;t expect much spending next year, as most of the available money will be needed to re-sign our own.

In Tanny&#039;s defense, I was glad to see the back of Kendall because he was so disruptive.  It hurt them in the short term, sure, but I am glad they have Faneca instead now.  Note also that they may have sacrificed trade value by keeping Vilma and Robertson that extra year but they saved a ton of money in terms of the dead cap space that would have arisen if they got rid of both a year sooner (and anyway, if they kept Kendall and lost those two, they would surely have ended up 4-12 anyway with Kassel and Pouha starting!)

Rose: Note 2010 MAY BE uncapped.  Not necessarily.  All bets are off, but the Jets should be in an OK position either way.

Finally - DC Jets fan, Jets would give up their 2009 #4 in that scenario, but it&#039;s possible they could get nothing extra for Vilma or Robertson.  That&#039;s fine though.  Based on needs and cap space, they have more than enough picks.

If cheap solutions like Ratliff, Clowney, Caulcrick etc can emerge next year or in 2010, the cap situation will look a lot more rosey.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dean:</p>
<p>Tannenbaum did not spend any money after 2006 because (a) the types of players they needed were unavailable and (b) they had very limited cap space.  I was saying throughout the offseason that year that we shouldn&#8217;t expect too many signings, but that the cap would be in great shape for 2008 and they would spend then.  And they did, despite many people insisting they wouldn&#8217;t because the front office was too cheap.  Tannenbaum was called an idiot for not even trying to sign Steinbach to play guard (when he signed for $49.5m over seven years and the Jets had just $2m of cap space).  A lot of this was due to the fact that the media misrespresented the amount of cap space the Jets had, so there was a perception that they had simply kept the money which was not true.</p>
<p>They have executed the plan exactly the way I would have done.  It&#8217;s a shame that last year was such a sour one, but it hasn&#8217;t hurt our chances this year.  Don&#8217;t expect much spending next year, as most of the available money will be needed to re-sign our own.</p>
<p>In Tanny&#8217;s defense, I was glad to see the back of Kendall because he was so disruptive.  It hurt them in the short term, sure, but I am glad they have Faneca instead now.  Note also that they may have sacrificed trade value by keeping Vilma and Robertson that extra year but they saved a ton of money in terms of the dead cap space that would have arisen if they got rid of both a year sooner (and anyway, if they kept Kendall and lost those two, they would surely have ended up 4-12 anyway with Kassel and Pouha starting!)</p>
<p>Rose: Note 2010 MAY BE uncapped.  Not necessarily.  All bets are off, but the Jets should be in an OK position either way.</p>
<p>Finally &#8211; DC Jets fan, Jets would give up their 2009 #4 in that scenario, but it&#8217;s possible they could get nothing extra for Vilma or Robertson.  That&#8217;s fine though.  Based on needs and cap space, they have more than enough picks.</p>
<p>If cheap solutions like Ratliff, Clowney, Caulcrick etc can emerge next year or in 2010, the cap situation will look a lot more rosey.</p>
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		<title>By: dcjetsfan</title>
		<link>http://www.thejetsblog.com/2008/11/26/how-good-is-tannenbaum/#comment-111286</link>
		<dc:creator>dcjetsfan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Nov 2008 13:03:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For discussion sake....lets say - 
Pack get our #2 (although hope it is a #1)
We get a #3 for Vima (Saints would get our #4 in 2010)
We get a #4 for Kendall
We get #6 for D.Rob (not sure what the comp pick really is?)

2009 - 1,3,3,4,4,5,6,6,7
2010  - 1,2,3,5,6,7

I see ammo for Tanny to move around the 09 dratf and solidify/upgrade some pieces.  Unlike, the last several years, the need positions are not nearly as vast ......so that always works to a club&#039;s advantage.   

So far, the two best GM&#039;s seem to be in Gotham but Tanny gets the nod over Reese bc the Jets Roster required a completed overhaul.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For discussion sake&#8230;.lets say &#8211;<br />
Pack get our #2 (although hope it is a #1)<br />
We get a #3 for Vima (Saints would get our #4 in 2010)<br />
We get a #4 for Kendall<br />
We get #6 for D.Rob (not sure what the comp pick really is?)</p>
<p>2009 &#8211; 1,3,3,4,4,5,6,6,7<br />
2010  &#8211; 1,2,3,5,6,7</p>
<p>I see ammo for Tanny to move around the 09 dratf and solidify/upgrade some pieces.  Unlike, the last several years, the need positions are not nearly as vast &#8230;&#8230;so that always works to a club&#8217;s advantage.   </p>
<p>So far, the two best GM&#8217;s seem to be in Gotham but Tanny gets the nod over Reese bc the Jets Roster required a completed overhaul.</p>
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		<title>By: dcpackerfan</title>
		<link>http://www.thejetsblog.com/2008/11/26/how-good-is-tannenbaum/#comment-111284</link>
		<dc:creator>dcpackerfan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Nov 2008 12:30:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree that Tannbaum is a no brainer for exec of the year.  He made some brilliant moves, the last being bringing Brett to NY.  As a long time GB fan, it was clear to us that Brett did not want to come to NY.  It was nothing personal, but he wanted to stay in the NFC in a system he knew.  Thompson wanted him as far from GB as possible.  The ultimate irony is that Thompson won last year&#039;s award.  I don&#039;t think he will be a candidate this year.  There are still 5 games left, so let&#039;s not count our turkeys in advance, but it is looking good for the Jets!  Brett for MVP!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree that Tannbaum is a no brainer for exec of the year.  He made some brilliant moves, the last being bringing Brett to NY.  As a long time GB fan, it was clear to us that Brett did not want to come to NY.  It was nothing personal, but he wanted to stay in the NFC in a system he knew.  Thompson wanted him as far from GB as possible.  The ultimate irony is that Thompson won last year&#8217;s award.  I don&#8217;t think he will be a candidate this year.  There are still 5 games left, so let&#8217;s not count our turkeys in advance, but it is looking good for the Jets!  Brett for MVP!</p>
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		<title>By: Robert Mueller</title>
		<link>http://www.thejetsblog.com/2008/11/26/how-good-is-tannenbaum/#comment-111280</link>
		<dc:creator>Robert Mueller</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Nov 2008 10:31:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m thrilled with the Jets no end, but please be careful not to count your chickens.  As a Packer fan, I have seen a few of those supremely confident teams go down, heartbreakingly down.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m thrilled with the Jets no end, but please be careful not to count your chickens.  As a Packer fan, I have seen a few of those supremely confident teams go down, heartbreakingly down.</p>
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		<title>By: Scott</title>
		<link>http://www.thejetsblog.com/2008/11/26/how-good-is-tannenbaum/#comment-111275</link>
		<dc:creator>Scott</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Nov 2008 06:32:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I cant believe we gave into Baker this offseason. He has done nothing to deserve anything.

Find away to keep Leon Washington in Green and White and i will be a happy fan.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I cant believe we gave into Baker this offseason. He has done nothing to deserve anything.</p>
<p>Find away to keep Leon Washington in Green and White and i will be a happy fan.</p>
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		<title>By: droseatwork</title>
		<link>http://www.thejetsblog.com/2008/11/26/how-good-is-tannenbaum/#comment-111274</link>
		<dc:creator>droseatwork</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Nov 2008 05:46:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think we forget that 2010 will be uncapped and maybe Woody is willing to pony up some more to make sure his new stadium is filled. 

Just something to think about....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think we forget that 2010 will be uncapped and maybe Woody is willing to pony up some more to make sure his new stadium is filled. </p>
<p>Just something to think about&#8230;.</p>
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