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		<title>By: The Jets May Be Willing to Alter Their Stance on Tannenbaum if It Will Get Them Cowher &#124; 1buckbid.com Blog</title>
		<link>http://www.thejetsblog.com/2008/12/30/buzz-like-sands-through-the-hourglass/#comment-118873</link>
		<dc:creator>The Jets May Be Willing to Alter Their Stance on Tannenbaum if It Will Get Them Cowher &#124; 1buckbid.com Blog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Dec 2008 08:29:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] course, as TJB noted (and I&#8217;m actually of the belief that a &#8220;high ranking Jets official&#8221; might really [...]</description>
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		<title>By: jetchick</title>
		<link>http://www.thejetsblog.com/2008/12/30/buzz-like-sands-through-the-hourglass/#comment-118758</link>
		<dc:creator>jetchick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Dec 2008 01:06:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Brett threw 9 interceptions and 2 TD&#039;s in the last 5 games. He is the reason we are not in the playoffs. Sure Mangini is a dull, lackluster, monotone, Belichick wanna be scapegoat, and Snotty a brain dead space cowboy with not a clue, and Sutton is well...just stupid, limited, uninspired and working for the other team, and Big Jenkins got tired. and Hollywood Rhodes took the season off, and Leon was under used....but Brett stunk the joint up and cost us the playoffs. 

And Tranny failed to draft a franchise QB when he had a shot at Cutler, and Ryan and Flaco. He handed Chad to an arch rival and is not anything more then a lawyer/accountant back stabber who with the Big Woody and a worship of money destroyed our team.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Brett threw 9 interceptions and 2 TD&#8217;s in the last 5 games. He is the reason we are not in the playoffs. Sure Mangini is a dull, lackluster, monotone, Belichick wanna be scapegoat, and Snotty a brain dead space cowboy with not a clue, and Sutton is well&#8230;just stupid, limited, uninspired and working for the other team, and Big Jenkins got tired. and Hollywood Rhodes took the season off, and Leon was under used&#8230;.but Brett stunk the joint up and cost us the playoffs. </p>
<p>And Tranny failed to draft a franchise QB when he had a shot at Cutler, and Ryan and Flaco. He handed Chad to an arch rival and is not anything more then a lawyer/accountant back stabber who with the Big Woody and a worship of money destroyed our team.</p>
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		<title>By: jetchick</title>
		<link>http://www.thejetsblog.com/2008/12/30/buzz-like-sands-through-the-hourglass/#comment-118755</link>
		<dc:creator>jetchick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Dec 2008 00:53:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And as long as I am back....what is with all the Coles bashing? Was he not our number one receiver, and if he caught the 22 interception Brett served up....well he might have made the pro bowl. Sure he dropped a few....so did the rest of the team. Face it the guys with the best hands played conerback for the other team.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And as long as I am back&#8230;.what is with all the Coles bashing? Was he not our number one receiver, and if he caught the 22 interception Brett served up&#8230;.well he might have made the pro bowl. Sure he dropped a few&#8230;.so did the rest of the team. Face it the guys with the best hands played conerback for the other team.</p>
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		<title>By: jetchick</title>
		<link>http://www.thejetsblog.com/2008/12/30/buzz-like-sands-through-the-hourglass/#comment-118752</link>
		<dc:creator>jetchick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Dec 2008 00:50:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>OK enough already, and thank you Basset for letting me back on.

I say we go after Jimmy Johnson. After all he can always use hairspray on Brett&#039;s arm to stiffen it up and force him to hand the ball off to LW or TJ.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OK enough already, and thank you Basset for letting me back on.</p>
<p>I say we go after Jimmy Johnson. After all he can always use hairspray on Brett&#8217;s arm to stiffen it up and force him to hand the ball off to LW or TJ.</p>
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		<title>By: Bent</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bent</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Dec 2008 00:08:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You already pretty much acknowledged that KC was miscast in the Chad-oriented offense, but may have been OK in a west coast scheme - would that be fair to say, Sack?

If you&#039;re willing to accept that Favre may have a good year next year if the offense is set up in such a way that it suits him better, are you prepared to rethink your comments about KC being a dead loss too?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You already pretty much acknowledged that KC was miscast in the Chad-oriented offense, but may have been OK in a west coast scheme &#8211; would that be fair to say, Sack?</p>
<p>If you&#8217;re willing to accept that Favre may have a good year next year if the offense is set up in such a way that it suits him better, are you prepared to rethink your comments about KC being a dead loss too?</p>
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		<title>By: Brandon "You're With Me"riweather</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brandon "You're With Me"riweather</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Dec 2008 23:49:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sack,

so based on that rationale (chad likelihood of getting injured), the favre trade DID set the franchise back by preventing the Jets from seeing what they have in KC/Ratliff? (tying back to our previous discussion)

It took you a couple of days and a few different posts, but eventually you came around.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sack,</p>
<p>so based on that rationale (chad likelihood of getting injured), the favre trade DID set the franchise back by preventing the Jets from seeing what they have in KC/Ratliff? (tying back to our previous discussion)</p>
<p>It took you a couple of days and a few different posts, but eventually you came around.</p>
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		<title>By: Moyvore</title>
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		<dc:creator>Moyvore</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Dec 2008 23:49:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Cimini: &quot;...In the end, Johnson, suddenly acting like a football guy, caved to the media and fan pressure. If he truly believed in Mangini as much as he said he did, if he was considering a long-term extension only five weeks ago, he would&#039;ve come out late in the season (maybe after the Seattle loss) and given Mangini a vote of confidence. It wouldn&#039;t have stopped the fans from spewing their bile, but it would&#039;ve stopped the speculation. 

On Sunday night, after the Miami loss, a visibly upset Johnson told a few reporters he was going to take some time to make a decision, that it wasn&#039;t going to be a heat-of-the-moment call. A little while later, like maybe an hour or two, he decided to fire Mangini. If that&#039;s not heat-of-the-moment, what is?&quot;

http://www.nydailynews.com/blogs/jets/2008/12/hey-woody-wheres-the-plan.html#comments

Very true.  Johnson not only repudiated his word on this critical occasion, but also his committment to the type of program that Belichick had brought to New England....which Mangini was trying to replicate here.  

Problem.  Belichick had Scott Pioli idenifying the players, Mangini mostly had Terry Bradway.  (With Tannenbaum to do the contracts and cap work.)

Second problem.  According to Cimini, Johnson also decided to inject himself into talent evaluation:

&quot;Mangini never wanted Favre, it was learned yesterday, but he welcomed the future Hall of Famer and tried to make it work. I don&#039;t think GM Mike Tannenbaum wanted him, either, but Johnson, trying to market his new stadium, was infatuated with Favre and essentially told Tannenbaum, &quot;Go get him.&quot; So he did, adding a last-minute wild card and changing the way they played offense.

But, hey, they sold tons of &quot;4&quot; jerseys.

In the end, Favre cost Mangini his job, throwing nine interceptions in the final five games. You name me a coach that could overcome that many mistakes.&quot;

According to this AP report,  Pioli has a meeting with  Randy Lerner tomorrow...but the new Ceveland owner is meeting with Mangini today in New York.

http://www.usatoday.com/sports/football/nfl/browns/2008-12-30-interviews_N.htm

So, Lerner, not Johnson, may have the best chance to try to replicate the Patriot&#039;s model...with either Mangini or Josh McDaniels (also scheduled for an interview).

Of course, only Belichick has the track record of genius.  Not just for his 3 superbowl rings and unbelievable consecutive winning streak.  I&#039;m talking about his work as the defensive cordinator for the Giants.

The only time Parcells ever got to the Super Bowl was when Belichick was behind the scene scheming to defeat high powered offenses. 

(Mangini certainly learned at his knee, but you also need the personnel --talent and brains-- to properly execute complicated schemes.)

The pity of all of this is that Johnson rejected his  chance back in January of 2000 to bring Belichick back on board after Belichick lost his lawsuit to take the New England job.

According to at least one published report, Belichick asked if he could have his job back...but was rebuffed, with the lame excuse that the Jets were in contract negotiations with Al (9-7)Groh.  

When Leon Hess was paying Belichick a  million dollar bonus to stay as defensive coordinator with a contract guarantee that he would succeed Parcells, this wasn&#039;t because he was in love with Belichick&#039;s personality.  Leon knew what Belichick had done with the Giants.

It strikes me that if Woody Johnson was a student of the game instead of a Dan Snyder or Jerry Jones wannabe, he would have shown the patience he claimed he had to build the team into a quality product.

After his recent firing, Romeo Crennel had this pertinent observation:

“As it turned out, we were both held accountable, both Phil and myself for our record and we’re both out of a job and that’s the bottom line,” Crennel told the Cleveland Plain Dealer. “Whatever the reasons are, no one really cares. It’s just like on Sunday — did you win or lose? That you’re playing with the fourth quarterback doesn’t matter. We’re both accountable and we have to answer for that.”

Giving credit to Cimani&#039;s report, Mangini didn&#039;t want Fauve, but tried to make the best of it.

Would a (relatively) healthy Chad put up the same numbers for the Jets under Schott Jr as under Dan Henning?  It&#039;s probably more likely than trying to insert Mr. Cannon Arm in a successful way into an offense he didn&#039;t understand and didn&#039;t like.

With Chad&#039;s completion numbers, the Jets would easily have  made the playoffs.

There are a lot of culprits at whom fingers can be pointed to explain this season.  IMO, by far the biggest is Woody Johnson.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cimini: &#8220;&#8230;In the end, Johnson, suddenly acting like a football guy, caved to the media and fan pressure. If he truly believed in Mangini as much as he said he did, if he was considering a long-term extension only five weeks ago, he would&#8217;ve come out late in the season (maybe after the Seattle loss) and given Mangini a vote of confidence. It wouldn&#8217;t have stopped the fans from spewing their bile, but it would&#8217;ve stopped the speculation. </p>
<p>On Sunday night, after the Miami loss, a visibly upset Johnson told a few reporters he was going to take some time to make a decision, that it wasn&#8217;t going to be a heat-of-the-moment call. A little while later, like maybe an hour or two, he decided to fire Mangini. If that&#8217;s not heat-of-the-moment, what is?&#8221;</p>
<p><a href="http://www.nydailynews.com/blogs/jets/2008/12/hey-woody-wheres-the-plan.html#comments" rel="nofollow">http://www.nydailynews.com/blogs/jets/2008/12/hey-woody-wheres-the-plan.html#comments</a></p>
<p>Very true.  Johnson not only repudiated his word on this critical occasion, but also his committment to the type of program that Belichick had brought to New England&#8230;.which Mangini was trying to replicate here.  </p>
<p>Problem.  Belichick had Scott Pioli idenifying the players, Mangini mostly had Terry Bradway.  (With Tannenbaum to do the contracts and cap work.)</p>
<p>Second problem.  According to Cimini, Johnson also decided to inject himself into talent evaluation:</p>
<p>&#8220;Mangini never wanted Favre, it was learned yesterday, but he welcomed the future Hall of Famer and tried to make it work. I don&#8217;t think GM Mike Tannenbaum wanted him, either, but Johnson, trying to market his new stadium, was infatuated with Favre and essentially told Tannenbaum, &#8220;Go get him.&#8221; So he did, adding a last-minute wild card and changing the way they played offense.</p>
<p>But, hey, they sold tons of &#8220;4&#8243; jerseys.</p>
<p>In the end, Favre cost Mangini his job, throwing nine interceptions in the final five games. You name me a coach that could overcome that many mistakes.&#8221;</p>
<p>According to this AP report,  Pioli has a meeting with  Randy Lerner tomorrow&#8230;but the new Ceveland owner is meeting with Mangini today in New York.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.usatoday.com/sports/football/nfl/browns/2008-12-30-interviews_N.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.usatoday.com/sports/football/nfl/browns/2008-12-30-interviews_N.htm</a></p>
<p>So, Lerner, not Johnson, may have the best chance to try to replicate the Patriot&#8217;s model&#8230;with either Mangini or Josh McDaniels (also scheduled for an interview).</p>
<p>Of course, only Belichick has the track record of genius.  Not just for his 3 superbowl rings and unbelievable consecutive winning streak.  I&#8217;m talking about his work as the defensive cordinator for the Giants.</p>
<p>The only time Parcells ever got to the Super Bowl was when Belichick was behind the scene scheming to defeat high powered offenses. </p>
<p>(Mangini certainly learned at his knee, but you also need the personnel &#8211;talent and brains&#8211; to properly execute complicated schemes.)</p>
<p>The pity of all of this is that Johnson rejected his  chance back in January of 2000 to bring Belichick back on board after Belichick lost his lawsuit to take the New England job.</p>
<p>According to at least one published report, Belichick asked if he could have his job back&#8230;but was rebuffed, with the lame excuse that the Jets were in contract negotiations with Al (9-7)Groh.  </p>
<p>When Leon Hess was paying Belichick a  million dollar bonus to stay as defensive coordinator with a contract guarantee that he would succeed Parcells, this wasn&#8217;t because he was in love with Belichick&#8217;s personality.  Leon knew what Belichick had done with the Giants.</p>
<p>It strikes me that if Woody Johnson was a student of the game instead of a Dan Snyder or Jerry Jones wannabe, he would have shown the patience he claimed he had to build the team into a quality product.</p>
<p>After his recent firing, Romeo Crennel had this pertinent observation:</p>
<p>“As it turned out, we were both held accountable, both Phil and myself for our record and we’re both out of a job and that’s the bottom line,” Crennel told the Cleveland Plain Dealer. “Whatever the reasons are, no one really cares. It’s just like on Sunday — did you win or lose? That you’re playing with the fourth quarterback doesn’t matter. We’re both accountable and we have to answer for that.”</p>
<p>Giving credit to Cimani&#8217;s report, Mangini didn&#8217;t want Fauve, but tried to make the best of it.</p>
<p>Would a (relatively) healthy Chad put up the same numbers for the Jets under Schott Jr as under Dan Henning?  It&#8217;s probably more likely than trying to insert Mr. Cannon Arm in a successful way into an offense he didn&#8217;t understand and didn&#8217;t like.</p>
<p>With Chad&#8217;s completion numbers, the Jets would easily have  made the playoffs.</p>
<p>There are a lot of culprits at whom fingers can be pointed to explain this season.  IMO, by far the biggest is Woody Johnson.</p>
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		<title>By: SackDance99</title>
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		<dc:creator>SackDance99</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Dec 2008 23:34:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I meant &quot;Bledsoe won the game.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I meant &#8220;Bledsoe won the game.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: SackDance99</title>
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		<dc:creator>SackDance99</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Dec 2008 23:33:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>seanmac, kordell was a ticking time bomb in &#039;01.  And, okay, Brady was knocked out and won the game, but my point was that Kordell was not in Brady&#039;s (or Bledsoe&#039;s) class; yet, the Stellers under Cowher and without LeBeau nearly went to the Super Bowl.  BTW, Brady had more TDs, a higher completion percentage and higher QB rating than Kordell in &#039;01.  I guess there&#039;s some FO metric that you&#039;re citing, but from a football perspective, Brady was better, even as a first-year starter.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>seanmac, kordell was a ticking time bomb in &#8217;01.  And, okay, Brady was knocked out and won the game, but my point was that Kordell was not in Brady&#8217;s (or Bledsoe&#8217;s) class; yet, the Stellers under Cowher and without LeBeau nearly went to the Super Bowl.  BTW, Brady had more TDs, a higher completion percentage and higher QB rating than Kordell in &#8217;01.  I guess there&#8217;s some FO metric that you&#8217;re citing, but from a football perspective, Brady was better, even as a first-year starter.</p>
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		<title>By: seanmac31</title>
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		<dc:creator>seanmac31</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Dec 2008 23:24:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In 2001, Kordell Stewart was a better player than Tom Brady.  (And in any event, it was Drew Bledsoe who won that game.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In 2001, Kordell Stewart was a better player than Tom Brady.  (And in any event, it was Drew Bledsoe who won that game.)</p>
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