Reminder: Jets Not Interested in Same Old Coaches
Posted on December 31st, 2008 by Bent
For those of you still touting a move for Holmgren, Schottenheimer Sr. or Parcells, in case you missed it, Rich Cimini reported the following yesterday:
The “old-school” coaches – Bill Parcells, Marty Schottenheimer and Mike Holmgren – aren’t on the Jets’ radar. The Jets sent a feeler to Holmgren, but he said he wasn’t interested.
Cowher being out of the running may change this, but I doubt it. The Jets, Browns and Lions will all interview Steve Spagnuolo on Saturday.
With Cowher and Holmgren both stating that they will likely coach again in 2010, this has a bit of a “Reggie Hodges being unavailable for 3 weeks” feel to it. Hey, maybe they could re-sign Mangini for next year only!
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Well this is what the Jets have been doing… Spurning the veteran coaches to hire fancy coordinators. Its worked out so well for them. Keep up the good work guys. :-)
I would be worried that Shanahan will not be able to improve our play on Defense. Although his offense is usually potent, especially the RBs, I think that the running game is the least of our concerns. It would be nice to see what Shanahan could do with LW and TJ but we need someone who can take, what I consider a talented defense, and turn it into a force to be reckoned with. With Cowher out of the picture, Spags or Rex Ryan would be great choices.
I read some other post and have to wonder WHY people are remotely interested in bringing Romeo Crennel here. I am convinced that he did nothing more than send players out on the field with Belichek’s weekly schemes.
Eric Boland is reporting that the earlier story saying Tannenbaum would move over to give Cowher the control he wanted were erroneous. Between having Mr. T as GM and Favre as the annointed QB of the fool owner, Mr. Cowher and any other experienced HC want no part of this circus. So Woody can take another flyer, the fourth, on a first time HC. Johnson will be the death of the Jets.
Here we go again. Can someone please tell me
why the Jets got rid of Mangini? The whole team,
(Farve) played like crap the final 5 games. Maybe he
was hurt, who knows. What i do know is that if they
think getting a coach is going to be easy, keep dreaming.
Just like when they got rid of Chad, lets see coach
get better with another team and we just get worse.
for the fans, i hope to high heaven that it works out;
as it is, i now have to cheer for the G-MEN.
navyvet – if the whole team played like crap, then shouldn’t the coach come under fire? Anyway, he was told he had to make the playoffs to keep his job and didn’t, that’s why he was fired. Maybe it was unfair, but they apparently outlined that criteria ages ago.
“Eric Boland is reporting that the earlier story saying Tannenbaum would move over to give Cowher the control he wanted were erroneous.”
Has any report NOT been erroneous so far? I’m half expecting to hear that the Jets never even fired Eric in the first place.
Navyvet, You must not be a Jets fan if you don’t know why they fired Mangini, and unless you have watched every snap for the last 3 years that he’s been our coach like I have, there is no way you can not understand why they fired Mangini.
I have a gut feeling that Brian Shottenheimer will be the next head coach of the NY Jets.
The Jets always hire coordinators that is our history for the past 30 years with the exception of Parcells and Kotite. Wow, hard to imagine them in the same sentence. We need an experienced head coach, and I would love Shanahan, he would bring a smart offensive gameplan every Sunday that would make our current OC irrelevant. In addition, reports are he is not looking for the type of control he had in Denver, so step two would be to hire a top flight DC that is a smart game planner as well. If Favre is back, we need a coach that can, like Holmgren, when he lobbies to run a play to have the credibility to tell him no. If we hope Clemens, Ratliff or Ainge have a future, we need a QB grommer and Shanahan moved Cutler along quickly, got more than anyone should have out of Griese or Plummer compared to their other QB landing spots.
Do you think they have a plan? Do the realize how a defensive switch negates our defensive “talent”? I hope we find a man like Tomlin who doesn’t do waht Mangini did and completetly shift the D. That being said Herm’s D couldn’t tackle anyway.
if lil shotty is the next head coach you can shut this site down….the overload of “kill me” posts will melt it anyway.
if we chose favre over cowher we need serious mental help
I am sorry that cowher took himself out of consideration.he would have been perfect for job. I don’t want big schott. Shanahan seems to be the best choice at this time.
Since Mangini firing, has anyone been crazy enough to mention Ditka for the job or is no one that insane?
This was the perfect fit for Cowher. NYC. Near his family. 3-4 defense. Good running game. Not a total rebuilding job. More of a retrofitting. A team he could win with immediately.
Considering Ditka would be insane.
There are reports from the NY Daily News that Lil Schott and Callahan are being interviewed for the position.
I’m surprise no one has said Jimmy Johnson.
Jimmy Johnson would also be insane.
Jetchick and Mad Dog Mo have suggested Ditka. Noone else has mentioned him until you KDB.
Again, I can see Schott or Callahan as one year placeholder / stop-gap / scapegoats until Cowher and Holmgren return to the coaching market in 2010. Almost like an interim coach, they could start the rebuilding process on behalf of those guys (maybe even with instructions from them).
I definitely don’t want Ditka.
What do folks thnk about Brian Billick?
He brings fire and knows how to win. Im becoming less intrigued by Shanahan as I would prefer to bring in a defensive minded guy and turn this defense into a force to be reckonned with.
I would rather have Billick than Shanny.
Let me apologize for calling for Mangini’s head on this blog. I thought Schott and Sutton would be canned too. I’m a little in disbelief that Schott is actually being considered for the HC job. If he gets it, what was the point of firing Mangini in the first place. Second, many of us presumed with the quickness of Mangini’s termination a successor must have been in place – guess not. Instead of looking forward to bringing most of the same winning personnel back next year, no HC and Favre really is making this built-to-win-now team look like it’s in turmoil.
I’d rather go with Spags or Rex Ryan while keeping Schottenheimer and/or Callahan to give some continuity to the offense. I’d actually also be more than ok with Marty Schottenheimer — I lived in San Diego during the Marty years and it was amazing to see how he totally turned that team around — AJ Smith definitely drafted well but that team no longer has the mental toughness it had when Marty was the coach (watch them with the Super Bowl this year now that I said that). Marty would overrule the stupid empty backfield plays on 3rd and 4th and less than a yard that Brian loves to call and restore a smashmouth identity to the team.
I actually think Marty is a great coach, playoff record not withstanding. I think more often than not it is the QB that determines whether or not you win in the playoffs, and to my mind Marty has mostly had the 2nd best QB on the field when he lost in the playoffs. He’s coached the immortal Bernie Kosar, Steve DeBerg, Elvis Grbacs of the world and gone up against Elway, Jim Kelly, Peyton Manning, and Tom Brady — the only possible exceptions to his having coached the inferior QB would be in 2005 against our Jets (although Brees back then was not nearly the QB he is now) and in 1994 when Montana lost to Jim Kelly’s Bills (although Montana did beat Elway the week before).
Even Cowher was a playoff disappointment until, guess what, Roethlisberger came to town. Jimmy Johnson, surprise, was a failure when he didn’t have Troy Aikman. Shanahan has been a failure without John Elway. Belichick (although he did a great job this year) was a failure until Brady came along. The only coaches that have been able to overcome not having a GREAT quarterback and win the Super Bowl in recent years have been coaches that have had the fortune of having an all-time great defense at the same time (Ravens and Bucs come to mind).
So in conclusion – I’d be happy with Big Schott, Spags, or Rex Ryan, maybe in that order…
I don’t want to hear about Ditka who is a dinosaur. I don’t want to hear about Shanahan who obviously knows nothing about defense.
JD: news reports said that Mangini was more involved in the play calling on both sides of the ball than coordinator’s generally prefer. In fact, one report said that someone within the Jets said that he was a control freak. Probably why they are considering keeping Schott.
Bilick, Rex, Spags, Daddy Schott.
Frank: Roethlisberger was held down when they went to the Super Bowl. Me managed the games in his first couple of years as the offense was run-first focused.
Otherwise I agree with your eval.
Frank, why do you want continuity of incompetence. Shott had the worst game plans of any coach I remember in the past 40+ years. There was no rhyme or reason to his calls once the opening script was exhausted.
As others have mentioned, firing Eric only makes sense if Shott and Sutton are let go too.
Eric’s problem was listening to them and not firing them himself. Letting him go and keeping them would be SOJ bass ackwards.
harlan
The more I think about it, the more I like Billick. He’s a good coach. He’s a 3-4 guy too. And hes got a ring. Sutton and Schott’s gotta go. Come on now, we still talking about those guys? Come on now.
And no more coordinators. This team doesn’t need a coach to lear on the job. For that they could have just kept Mangini.
Fassesl’s not the right personality. Shanahan is not really all that sane I don’t think. Please on coordinators.
Harlan Lachman and Igs: news reports said that Mangini was more involved in the play calling on both sides of the ball than coordinator’s generally prefer. In fact, one report stated that Jets insider confirmed that he was a control freak. Probably why they are considering keeping Schott.
I’m not against keeping Schott on as an OC with much better guidance – granted a new HC would want him. But not as a head coach. Like I keep saying, we’ve been through enough on the job training with these coaches. It’s time for someone who’s battle tested, strong with the fundamentals, and steady to take over the reigns of this franchise.
Harlan – Big Schott has a career 200-126-1 record — granted his postseason record is only 5-13. That being said, I’d rather MAKE the playoffs and lose there than not make the playoffs at all. I think Cowher would be better (although many people said the same things about Cowher as they do about Schottenheimer until he finally broke through in 06). I think Billick is reasonable although his defensive coordinators probably were carrying him in Baltimore and Culpepper + Moss carried him in Minnesota. But Big Schott’s career record speaks for itself, and certainly carries a lot more weight to me than your observation that his game planning is bad.
Shanahan is not a terrible choice either, but the team I envision is a hard-nosed, run the ball and stop the run kind of team — Shanahan hasn’t really coached a team that does the second part in a long time.
Frank – good point about Billick. But I’d counter by observing that one of the many problems with Mangini was that he didn’t respect or listen to his coordinators.
That’s hearsay, so far but it’s worth noting what Billick has done with good coordinators and what he does with the draft. The Ravens are still what they are because of him.