Comments on: Reminder: Jets Not Interested in Same Old Coaches

By: Igs

Igs — Wed, 31 Dec 2008 17:42:56 +0000

Frank – good point about Billick. But I’d counter by observing that one of the many problems with Mangini was that he didn’t respect or listen to his coordinators.

That’s hearsay, so far but it’s worth noting what Billick has done with good coordinators and what he does with the draft. The Ravens are still what they are because of him.

By: Frank

Frank — Wed, 31 Dec 2008 17:23:53 +0000

Harlan – Big Schott has a career 200-126-1 record — granted his postseason record is only 5-13. That being said, I’d rather MAKE the playoffs and lose there than not make the playoffs at all. I think Cowher would be better (although many people said the same things about Cowher as they do about Schottenheimer until he finally broke through in 06). I think Billick is reasonable although his defensive coordinators probably were carrying him in Baltimore and Culpepper + Moss carried him in Minnesota. But Big Schott’s career record speaks for itself, and certainly carries a lot more weight to me than your observation that his game planning is bad.

Shanahan is not a terrible choice either, but the team I envision is a hard-nosed, run the ball and stop the run kind of team — Shanahan hasn’t really coached a team that does the second part in a long time.

By: Igs

Igs — Wed, 31 Dec 2008 16:47:53 +0000

I’m not against keeping Schott on as an OC with much better guidance – granted a new HC would want him. But not as a head coach. Like I keep saying, we’ve been through enough on the job training with these coaches. It’s time for someone who’s battle tested, strong with the fundamentals, and steady to take over the reigns of this franchise.

By: Sean

Sean — Wed, 31 Dec 2008 16:31:08 +0000

Harlan Lachman and Igs: news reports said that Mangini was more involved in the play calling on both sides of the ball than coordinator’s generally prefer. In fact, one report stated that Jets insider confirmed that he was a control freak. Probably why they are considering keeping Schott.

By: Igs

Igs — Wed, 31 Dec 2008 16:24:25 +0000

The more I think about it, the more I like Billick. He’s a good coach. He’s a 3-4 guy too. And hes got a ring. Sutton and Schott’s gotta go. Come on now, we still talking about those guys? Come on now.

And no more coordinators. This team doesn’t need a coach to lear on the job. For that they could have just kept Mangini.

Fassesl’s not the right personality. Shanahan is not really all that sane I don’t think. Please on coordinators.

By: Harlan Lachman

Harlan Lachman — Wed, 31 Dec 2008 16:16:06 +0000

Frank, why do you want continuity of incompetence. Shott had the worst game plans of any coach I remember in the past 40+ years. There was no rhyme or reason to his calls once the opening script was exhausted.

As others have mentioned, firing Eric only makes sense if Shott and Sutton are let go too.

Eric’s problem was listening to them and not firing them himself. Letting him go and keeping them would be SOJ bass ackwards.

harlan

By: Sean

Sean — Wed, 31 Dec 2008 16:01:54 +0000

Frank: Roethlisberger was held down when they went to the Super Bowl. Me managed the games in his first couple of years as the offense was run-first focused.

Otherwise I agree with your eval.

By: Sean

Sean — Wed, 31 Dec 2008 16:00:17 +0000

JD: news reports said that Mangini was more involved in the play calling on both sides of the ball than coordinator’s generally prefer. In fact, one report said that someone within the Jets said that he was a control freak. Probably why they are considering keeping Schott.

Bilick, Rex, Spags, Daddy Schott.

By: Frank

Frank — Wed, 31 Dec 2008 15:54:55 +0000

I’d rather go with Spags or Rex Ryan while keeping Schottenheimer and/or Callahan to give some continuity to the offense. I’d actually also be more than ok with Marty Schottenheimer — I lived in San Diego during the Marty years and it was amazing to see how he totally turned that team around — AJ Smith definitely drafted well but that team no longer has the mental toughness it had when Marty was the coach (watch them with the Super Bowl this year now that I said that). Marty would overrule the stupid empty backfield plays on 3rd and 4th and less than a yard that Brian loves to call and restore a smashmouth identity to the team.

I actually think Marty is a great coach, playoff record not withstanding. I think more often than not it is the QB that determines whether or not you win in the playoffs, and to my mind Marty has mostly had the 2nd best QB on the field when he lost in the playoffs. He’s coached the immortal Bernie Kosar, Steve DeBerg, Elvis Grbacs of the world and gone up against Elway, Jim Kelly, Peyton Manning, and Tom Brady — the only possible exceptions to his having coached the inferior QB would be in 2005 against our Jets (although Brees back then was not nearly the QB he is now) and in 1994 when Montana lost to Jim Kelly’s Bills (although Montana did beat Elway the week before).

Even Cowher was a playoff disappointment until, guess what, Roethlisberger came to town. Jimmy Johnson, surprise, was a failure when he didn’t have Troy Aikman. Shanahan has been a failure without John Elway. Belichick (although he did a great job this year) was a failure until Brady came along. The only coaches that have been able to overcome not having a GREAT quarterback and win the Super Bowl in recent years have been coaches that have had the fortune of having an all-time great defense at the same time (Ravens and Bucs come to mind).

So in conclusion – I’d be happy with Big Schott, Spags, or Rex Ryan, maybe in that order…
I don’t want to hear about Ditka who is a dinosaur. I don’t want to hear about Shanahan who obviously knows nothing about defense.

By: JD

JD — Wed, 31 Dec 2008 15:54:27 +0000

Let me apologize for calling for Mangini’s head on this blog. I thought Schott and Sutton would be canned too. I’m a little in disbelief that Schott is actually being considered for the HC job. If he gets it, what was the point of firing Mangini in the first place. Second, many of us presumed with the quickness of Mangini’s termination a successor must have been in place – guess not. Instead of looking forward to bringing most of the same winning personnel back next year, no HC and Favre really is making this built-to-win-now team look like it’s in turmoil.