Thomas Jones Talks About Favre
Posted on December 31st, 2008 by Bassett
Thomas Jones talks on New York’s HOT97 to Angie Martinez about Brett Favre and the interception issue …
“The reality is, you throw interceptions … [other players] are pissed off.” — Thomas Jones
Thanks to commenter Najy for finding this.
I wish “Mister Cee” would shut the hell up and let Thomas talk…
You listen to Thomas Jones, you listen to Kerry Rhodes, you listen to Kris Jenkins, you listen to Coles, and so on and so on, and it becomes clear that there was a lot of resentment in that locker room toward Favre.
So maybe we shouldn’t be criticizing Mangini for letting the team unravel over the last five games. Maybe we should give him credit for holding them together through the first 11. Because he’s dealing with an offense that has to be ripped up and reconstructed a week before the season starts, a prima donna quarterback who won’t put in any effort in pre-game preparation, and a lot of disgruntled feelings among the rest of the team.
I felt bad for Mangini when he was fired, but getting out of this mess is probably going to be the best thing that ever happened to him. Maybe Bellichick was right, warning him not to take a job with the dysfunctional Jets.
Careful TJ, you might get forced to run a lap by coach Mang…oh, yeah, I forgot.
Fred App,
I think that players on the Jets were tired of hearing about Favre. Now that I look back, I think it was a bad move naming Favre captain because he hadnt dont anything for the team.
Like I have been saying all along, I wonder how much pressure was put on Mangini to “let Favre be Favre”..
Thanks to Najy and TJ:
That’s the way to tell it like it is TJ. You have supported what I have said all along, that he would not fit in Manginis mold and ultimately affect the teams chemistry. The fact that we were scripted, got away from our strength, and changed our offensive philosophy because of him, added tremendously to our dysfunctional offense. Take into account all the INTs and anyone can see why our defense collapsed in the last 5 games.
here, here.
Favre has got to go. Especially considering the cap space he eats.
I’m stealing this from others, but how many coaches would be able to win 10 games with a qb who throws 22 int’s.
I’d be curious to look at playoff teams last 3-5 years, but I’m too lazy. The one that comes to mind is the Bears team that made that went to the SB a couple years ago.
Simpletons.
Couldn’t Favre and Mangini both been problems? Why does it have to be either or?
2 weeks ago in Seattle, with our season on the line, our defense got 0 sacks and allowed a bad running back to gain 116 yards behind an offensive line filled with 5 backups who had never even played together before.
Disgraceful.
Mangini lost his job with that effort.
i know. hear, hear for any grammar nazis out there.
Btw Favre had the same 1/1 TD to INT ratio here that Chad did under Mangini. We got out of Favre exactly what we got out of Chad under this clueless coaching staff..
Najy;
Wether we realize it or not I firmly believe the ownership is tuned in to fans opinions (means $$$$) and expressing ” get ridd of noodle arm” or “let Farve be Farve” or “fire Mangini” filtered through the media loud and clear and achieved the desired results. I promise you that Woodypecker has his big ear to the ground.
Couple that to the fact that the guy knows all about band-aids but squat about football.
should a coach lose a job based on 1 game?
maybe mangini was more at fault, maybe he wasn’t. the HC definitely has more responsibilty, but the games I watched could well have been a W with a halfway decent qb performance. plus its realistic to expect mangini, considering his age would improve in the job.
the point is not letting mangini go out of frustration, or slow psl response, but to get someone in who will be better and not have the team regress as constituted. nobody knows that.
but if mangini is gone, then likewise favre should be judged on his performance.
love dealing with people in my work who over simplify and simultaneously call others simpletons.
Let’s see:
2007-Eli Manning-20 INTs
2000-Banks/Dilfer-19 INTs
1983-Plunkett/Wilson-24 INTs
1980-Plunkett/Pastorini-23 INTs
1979-Bradshaw-25 INTs
1978-Bradshaw-20 INTs
1970-Unitas/Morral-22 INTs
1969-Dawson/Livingston/Lee-20 INTs
Yeah, you just can’t win the Super Bowl with QBs that throw lots of INTs in a season. I thought Favre’s performance against the Fins was awful, but he threw 10 INTs in the 9 wins and 12 in the 7 losses, 3 of which were in the final loss. If Favre threw 0 INTs in the wins and went 22 TDs to 12 INTs, would that make any difference other than in his QB Rating? I thought the only game that Favre’s INTs cost the Jets a victory was against the Fins because of the pick 6. A healthy Favre with a real off-season and training camp and there will be fewer INTs and more wins. And, by the way, 9-7 is a winning season and really wasn’t too bad for a guy who basically stepped off the street to be the QB.
SackDance99,
The only shot in hell Favre has of coming back to the Jets is if he is committed 100%. Anything less is unacceptable.
Sackdance: You’ve defeated your own argument. In the last 25 years, you found three (THREE!) teams that won a Super Bowl with a quarterback throwing 20 or more interceptions. In other words, the odds of winning a Super Bowl with an interception-prone quarterback are about 12 percent. So, yes, it’s possible. But far from likely.
Sack dance?/ The problem is he only threw 2 TDS during that 9 INT run. I would have taken 9 TDS with the INTS. He was a unstoppable trainwreck
It’s becomming more obvious that Farve was Woody’s idea AND AS USUAL WHEN EGOMANIAC OWNERS start telling professional football managers what to do it turns to $H**. Woody needs to learn from this incident of medling and get the out of the kitchen. Ask Farve to retire and move on.
Not only that, those teams with QBs that threw 20 or more INTs all had lock down defenses.
Crazy seeing another Drew posting exactly what i’m thinking. Crazy!!!!
OK, so maybe it’s unlikely that any coach can win a SB with a QB that throws 22 ints unless they have an awesome D, but Sack was responding to the question “who else could WIN TEN GAMES with a QB that throws 22 picks?” In that respect, I think the point has been well made.
PS – Vinny threw 25 in 2000 and Al Groh coached them to 9-7!
We released the 2008 nfl mvp.
I wonder how many coaches can win a super bowl without an awesome D when your offense is ranked 21st in scoring
(and yes, I’m referring to Chad)
Careful TJ, you might get forced to run a lap by coach Mang…oh, yeah, I forgot. -Bent
CORRECTION:
Careful TJ, you might get forced to run a lap by coach Favre
Favre is 40 years-old.
He is not the answer at QB.
We wasted one season with him, do we need to waste another?
I was against the trade, because it wasn’t like we were a QB away from being contenders… we still had a bunch of holes, and a general lack of depth.
I’d have preferred playing Chad, Clemens, or Ratliffe, to trading a decent pick, forcing a total offensive makeover, upsetting team chemistry, etc, to a 39-yr-old publicity machine, which is all Woody wanted.
The same thing’s happening now. Woody fires Mangini, without having a clue who to hire.
I gave Woody the benefit of the doubt, thinking he wouldn’t be so dumb as to fire Mangini, without having Cowher lined up. How dumb was he, saying at his presser that he wouldn’t let a coach, also handle personnel?
He may be correct, but you get candidates in the door, THEN find out what they want, and discuss philosophy.
We’re so blessed that our ownership are always corporate hobbyists, who think it’s cool to own a pro franchise.
That said, I still remain hopeful, we’ll luck into a good HC, but I’m still thinking we end up with Martyball, in which case, I’d have preferred Mangini with 2 new coordinators.
What, is it politically incorrect to not blaspheme Brett Favre?? OMG !! the feeding frenzy has started on Favre.
I’d be pissed off too if I were TJ. This dude works his butt off all season, regardless of record (he was one of the few players that didn’t quit in ‘07) and has his fate put in the hands of an interception machine. Part of the blame needs to be put on Schottenheimer too (he’s no longer good enough to have a nickname) for completely abandoning the running game every time the Jets fell behind. Though I have a feeling with another quarterback, he wouldn’t have been so quick to do so.
“You’re not the only one on the team.”
The last thing the jets need are locker room problems. Favre’s departure seems to be the right solution.
As a guy who is in no way a Jets fan but lives close enough to wish them well, I can’t believe all of you fans have turned on Brett Favre like this.
Before the season, you all had no hopes, no excitement, no expectations whatsoever. And neither did anyone else about the Jets. The team gets Brett and that brings excitement, but still every analyst of sensible fan predicted at best a 9-7 record.
Brett didn’t have a conditioned offseason, didn’t have a full training camp, and played for a new city for the first time in what, 15 years? If I were you all, if I was the team, I’d be ecstatic that the team went 9-7 and build on that for a run next year. If things don’t work, then Brett retires.
I have to tell you all, Mangini was not a good coach and wore his emotions on his sleeve too much. A good coach knows that the team takes on his mentality, so whether he’s frustrated or not, he can’t show it. Every single time Favre made a mistake, Mangini was on the sideline making faces like a little child. Of course now the locker room comes out to the media and complains about Favre. And those guys complaining about Favre need to stop throwing people under the bus. I know Favre just came, but he’s on the team and they need to deal with it as A TEAM.
If Favre does retire, good luck guys with your backup (who is it again?) or when you pick up some journeyman QB off waivers like Joey Harrington or something.
And another thing, I don’t think Chad has nearly the season he had with the Dolphins if he would have stayed with the Jets (although I’ve always been a supporter of Chad’s skills despite his lack of an arm). And don’t forget that you guys did finally beat New England and ended the Titans undefeated run. So yeah, you guys collapsed. But seeing how the team is throwing Favre under the bus, like it’s ONLY his fault, lets me know that the core of the team is not sound, that the whole team is a problem, and THAT’S why you guys collapsed.
Another team does that throwing under the bus thing and finished 9-7…. they’re called the Cowboys.
“Before the season, you all had no hopes, no excitement, no expectations whatsoever. And neither did anyone else about the Jets.”
Incorrect. After the additions of Faneca, Pace, Jenkins, etc. Most Jets fans expected the Jets to make the playoffs. Many also thought that they were better than the 4 wins they mustered in 2007, because Pennington played half of the season hurt and the other half was given to Clemens, who was not really ready. The mainstream media did not catch on because they only pay attention to the glory positions.
Bent,
The pulse of the Jets fan (and I know this because some of my friends are jets fans) was that you guys would definitely do better than last year and could possibly – I repeat possibly – fight for a playoff spot, which would make it a successful step forward. With the Patroits, Colts, Chargers, Jaguars and Steelers all expected to have great years, the sixth spot was the only spot Jets fans were thinking about. And even that was with half a heart.
Bret came and injected a huge sense of excitement and energy into Jets fans. But that was because they thought he could get them in the playoffs. Now, they came up short, so I understand why some fans are upset, especially when the Jets seemed to have a firm hold on the East. But all of you need to put things into perspective for goodness sakes. The level to which Jets fans and Jets sportswriters are expressing such venom towards ONE PERSON after ONE SEASON is ridiculous.
I agree with you. I have nothing at all against Favre. I like the guy, think he tried his best and he will remain one of my favorite all-time players despite the failings of this year.
I want rid of him solely based on his age and the money they are due to pay him (and I still think he’ll do well in 2009 wherever he plays).
I think there are those that hate him (and agree that this is unfair), but don’t assume that it is all of us, even though on balance the majority would prefer to go in another direction.
“After the additions of Faneca, Pace, Jenkins, etc. Most Jets fans expected the Jets to make the playoffs.” I was a lot more cautious in my optimism. As with the Favre addition, I thought there was great potential but fitting it all together and developing great chemistry in one season isn’t a given in the NFL. Someone mentioned the Dolphins success in chemistry, but they didn’t add nearly as many FA vets coming from other systems and they signed a QB who had already worked with the OC and who is known as a great student of the game.
Favre will go down as one of the all-time greats and showed flashes while contributing to some of the biggest wins in recent Jets history. But the late season decline and cost of retaining him make it clear to me it’s time to thank him for his efforts and move on.
Bent,
Yea I get ya; it’s just so funny how quickly people can turn on anyone.
2 questions:
1. If you get rid of Favre, what would you do about the QB situation?
2. Would keeping Favre and drafting a QB to take Favre’s place in 2010 be a good way to go?
If your going to call out a future hall of famer in the media you might want to rush for more than 23yds and no TDs in the same game you’re calling him out for. First he blames Pennington’s arm for him playing so bad in 2007 and whines that he needs a QB with a strong arm and so he get Farvre and is oh so happy about it but as soon as Favre who played the last few games with an injured shoulder starts to look human he throws the man under the bus. Thomas Jones you have no class and maybe that’s why Chicago let you go.
Yes Favre should retire and he more than likely will.But Thomas Jones,You are a Classless person along with all the other player’s who can’t put there name to what they have to say….You weren’t wanted in Chicago and pretty soon you won’t be a Jet……………….
Good luck next year when every defense put’s 8 and 9 in the box to stop the run!!!!!!
To be fair, the question to TJ wasn’t, “Do you hate Brett Favre and think he was the sole reason for all the Jets’ failings in 08?”
He was asked to be candid about whether players take those INT’s in stride or if it actually gets to them on the field. I think there’s been a lot of editorializing beyond that.
Jet Supporter:
1. Bring in a cheap veteran FA (Leftwich) and have an open competition in camp. Granted some people may not like this because they want to win now and lack faith in the likes of KC and Ratty, but I’d take that chance. Rather this than their other three options (keep Favre for $13m, sign Cassel to big money deal or draft a rookie and throw his to the wolves).
2. Sure, although it will be tempting to use the first rounder on an impact player. I’d always rather have a reasonably priced QB and earmark him as the starter in 2010 or 2011 than splurge $50m on a high draft pick in 2010 and hope he can start right away.
Wow….I’m really just so amazed that we all seem to have forgotten that FOOTBALL GAMES ARE WON OR LOST AT THE LINE OF SCRIMMAGE!
Am I the only one who saw the Jets D get steamrolled by the Seattle O-line??…
Or how many of the picks Brett threw that weren’t his fault due to having, at times, absolutely NO protection up front, or receivers who didn’t do their job??…
Favre and Mangini had this team playing way over it’s collective head for 11 weeks (and both deverve praise for that), but in the end the same old problems came roaring back out of the illusion.
This collapse was neither Favre’s nor Mangini’s fault, obviously…You either have the personnel on all fronts or you’re going nowhere. God would have thrown 20 picks for the Jets this year!
Subwayfare,
Good Point!!!! Espn just talked with Mark Schlereth and he had a interesting response about TJ as well as a coach for the Jet’s.He kinda put thing’s in perspective.
Maybe Bassett can run a link to it??
Here, Here Jets Supporter!!! You’ve taken the exact words out of my mouth! It’s almost as if we’re sharing a brain! The QB position takes all the glory, & equally all the blame! Is that fair? No! But thats the way it is, especially in this town! Let me ask all of you a question! What if the G-Men took the advice of the fans last November, and fired Tom Coughlin, & benched Eli Manning? Would they have become the team they are rite now? DOUBTFUL!!! Another question! Did Thomas Jones Fail too make a crucial tackle, (Not once, but twice!), after Favre threw that pick 6 last week? Absolutely! He was more concerned with trying too strip the ball, instead of making a thel tackle, but thats football, things happen so fast, and you make the bed you sleep in!
That being said, I dont disagree with most of what TJ said! He spoke his mind, after a dissapointing end, to an otherwise decent year! Personally, I’m just hopeful that the organiztion does’nt listen to the “LUNITIC FRINGE”, and thats what “WE ALL ARE”! !! LUNITICS!!! If we all had our way, the Jets would be grounded forever!!! The truth hurts, but its the cold hard truth!!! Bring #4 back, but only if he “truly” wants to be back! By that I mean, O.T.A’s, Mini-Camp, & whatever else is asked of him!!! He’s still a helluva lot better then anyone else on our current roster!!! HAPPY NEW YEAR EVERYONE!!!! GO JETS!!!
“Did Thomas Jones Fail too make a crucial tackle, (Not once, but twice!), after Favre threw that pick 6 last week? Absolutely! He was more concerned with trying too strip the ball, instead of making a thel tackle, but thats football, things happen so fast, and you make the bed you sleep in!”
Personally I was impressed that Jones chased after a lost cause and had the presense of mind to try and bat the ball out. If it had come off, there would have been a touchback and the Jets would have got the ball back. That’s how I saw it anyway.
Another fine example of how NOT to be a teammate. Just another idiot with a big mouth. If hindsight was worth spit, we would all be rich, with a big house and a trophy wife. Get over yourself, Thomas Jagoff!!! When you get a ring, someone just might listen.
It’s the coaches’ jobs to work with the talent they have. Whatever Thomas Jones, or any other player, feels is a player’s perspective. When these guys head back into the locker room next Spring they’re going to be met with silence by more prudent team members who managed to remain quiet under the pressure that overt losers always endure. Mangini screwed up in clock management, in offensive and defensive decisions. If he allowed Favre to play when he felt #4 wasn’t fully fit that’s his decision to live with,and get fired for, as well. The right guy was let go. Thomas Jones had a great year on the ground and made a stupid mistake with his mouth. Let’s move on and shut up.
I was watching the Jets closely this year to follow our old great.
Surely, Favre didn’t play his best for the last month, but come on, putting all the blame on Brett is redicoulous.
The rest of the team had just as much to do with the losses, Coles, Cotchery, Keller, Franks, Stuckey, LW, Jones …. they all had a significant number of drops in the last 5 games, they droppet passes a 12-y.o would catch.
The offesive line sure didn’t make it easier for Favre and the Jets either, they looked like a bunch of individuals, not the unit they were in the Pats /Titans games. They got pushed around alot in december.
The defense stunk in december as well.
Jones at least has the guts to put his name behind his comments, not like to cowardly other guy ripping Favre in the media. Still, it’s very unproffesional to make comments like that in the media. Keep it in the locker room.
Maybe the Jets would have won if Jones did a little better than 23 yds rushing vs the Fins.
Surely, Favre is not the future QB for the Jets, he’s a bit old for that, but if the Jets want him back i ‘09, and want to win, maybe they should consider getting rid of Coles, Cothcery and Smith, they’re all well below NFL average wideouts. Get someone who actually want to make an effort to catch the ball.
Funny thing, none of theese missques where made in october / november, the Jets won 5 in a row, including beating the Pats for the first time in years, and the then undefeated Titans. People were talking about the all-New York SB.
Favre also had a sprained/torn Biceps tendon in his right shoulder, clearly affecting his throws.
Fact is, Favre took more than twice as many hits this year compared to ‘07 with Packers, that had to take its toll on a 39 y.o body. That many hits on a QB can only be blamed on poor pass blocking.