Audible: Who’s Your Guy?
Like Bent had the “Yay or Nay” post last week about Favre, let’s hear what you think about who should be the next coach for the Jets? Answer the poll below and let is know your thoughts in the comments.
114 Responses to Audible: Who’s Your Guy?
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ian says:
i noticed shanahan isn’t in the poll–he’s still my number one choice. (i think he doesn’t care enough about defense that he would insist on 4-3.)
also, i think that BC coach is just a scam to placate favre, as the guy was OC in green bay for a few years.
i think the team would be most improved in short term with rex ryan, and most improved long term with shanahan under a real gm.
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Neil says:
Russ Grimm for me…
I believe we should stay away from a defensive coach this time through. One major problem for the Jets is excessively conservative play calling. I think it stems from always having a defensive coach who is so terrified of a “fancy-pants” offense ruining his great defensive schemes, he forces the OC into timid, vanilla play calling. This was definitely a problem with Herm and to a lesser extent Eric and Al Groh.
I would even surmise B-Schott would be a totally different play-caller as the head man without a defensive-based head coach lording over him.
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Joe S. says:
Shanahan is not in the poll because he absolutely NO Interest in coaching in the NY Market!
Can’t handle the Pressure of the NY market!
Cower can’t handle the pressure of the NY market either therefore he let it be known that he is not coaching in 2009!
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Chrebookie says:
I completely agree with Joe S.
can I nominate him for GM?
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did brian schottenheimer vote for himself?
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Another thing about Cower…. He used the excuse that he would wait untill his daughter is out of high school.
His daughter is a Senior… Therefore she will be out of school beginning of June 2009.
I think he has wiggle room if he wanted to use it. But…. Cower can’t handle the pressure of the NY market either therefore he let it be known that he is not coaching in 2009!
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Igs says:
Hmmmmm,
My choice for a great, albeit somewhat experimental staff would be:
HC-Rex Ryan
DC-Romeo Crennel
OC-Brian Schottenheimer
STC-Mike WestoffThe Miami game really was Rex’s job interview for me. The D was soooo keyed up. Imagine the pool of defensive knowledge, personnel and gameplan, if Him and Crennel worked together.
Smebody’s also gotta pick up the personnel slack. Tannenbaum is what? 1 for 14. Did he draft any great players other than Revis? Oh yeah, 2 for 14 – Leon Washington.
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Lageman says:
If B Schott is head coach I will avoid watching Jets for 2 years, when he would ultimately be fired anyways. This has Coslett all over it. The playcalls on offense down the stretch were unimaginable, even ignoring that some reads were of Favre’s making.
Shanahan, Ryan and Spags, maybe even Billick. The JETS need a coach who commands respect, not sure Mangini did that, and pretty sure B Schott wouldn’t either.
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Neil, that’s a good point. But a GM’s gtta get you some offensive weapons. A great GM could get you some sleepers.
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Tom says:
How does shottenheimer actually have 3 votes ?
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nyckage says:
lgs
I like your staff, but I’m not sold on Schotty yet, should we give him another year to mold? I don’t know, but he did prove himself before the last 5 games, he can call plays.
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I don’t think Rob Ryan is out of his contract, or is he, I’m not sure?
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Bent says: “Smebody’s also gotta pick up the personnel slack. Tannenbaum is what? 1 for 14. Did he draft any great players other than Revis? Oh yeah, 2 for 14 – Leon Washington.”
How are you defining this? If somebody good is picked in the 7th (ie Stuckey) that’s a great pick…otherwise, you expect every player he drafts to be as good as Revis and Leon, regardless of where they were picked???
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Rob Ryan contract is up.
Last year he wanted to leave during the annual Raider coaching BS but had 1 year remaining.
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Yea nyckage,I feel you.
I really think he needs to be reigned in. Much like Mangini, I think Schott’s got a great coach inside of him but he needs to refocus on the basics of gritty, head banging football.
I feel like, and maybe this is because he spent so much time trying to compensate for Chad’s arm and the Jets lack of talent that he lost site of straight up football. I saw so many plays this year where the Jets were just being way to fancy instead of just lining up and running the ball.
Not to let anyone else off the hook.
But I think you’ll see with the Dolphins, that as the talent level rises, those trick plays will come less an less. The difference is that the have Parcells there to keep things under control. Schott started making a living there.
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sec108 says:
I would let Ryan pick his own OC, ultimately that choice could decide his fate here, but I would suggest that he sit with Callahan first, and give him consideration. Enough of schotty jr, can’t believe 3 people voted for him after watching the last 2 years.
I don’t see Ryan picking Crennel as DC either, I don’t think there is any relationship there, and coaches tend to pick guys they have worked with before for assistants, I would think that his brother Rob would be his first choice if he can undo his deal with the devil (Al Davis) in Oakland this year.
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Lol. After the Raiders, the Jets must look like Summerland to Rob Ryan.
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sec108
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gsteigs says:
it dosnt matter if hes under contract if its an upgraded possition. even the little upgrade as say offensive corrdinator/asst. head coach then he can accept the job. Contract comes into play like last yr when we tried for ryan he was offered a dc job same job in oakland and could not do it because of the contract
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Liam says:
If I were a betting man, Rob Ryan will end up in Cleveland as DC for Mangini.
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Good point sec,
Like I was saying those were just my vote right now. And the Crennel thing is exactly why it would be experimental. I doubt if Rex would put Crennel on his staff anyway because he may represent a subversive element if it starts to go bad.
Still, I can dream right?
Rob Ryan hasn’t impressed me. I mean, if nothing else, Oakland is brimming with talent. That’s not to say that Ryan was part of the problem. But he def. wasn’t part of the solution.
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JesusRevis says:
Igs –
Tannenbaum also drafted D-Brickshaw and Mangold, ones a pro-bowler, the other is a future pro bowler. He drafted Leon Washington as well in that draft. He also drafted David Harris along with Revis, who you mentioned. Drafting Revis deserves more credit, he just finished his second season and hes already one of the 5 best corners in football (in my opinion the best).
Tannenbaums FA acquisitions and trades have been successful and impressive.
Trades:
-Thomas Jones from Chicago, which only cost us moving down in the second round.-Kris Jenkins from Carolina for a 3rd and 5th round pick – this was a steal.
-Favre – no comment.
Free Agency:
-Calvin Pace has been as good as advertised.
-Faneca and Woody have changed our line into one of the best in the NFL
-Tony Richardson – Improved running game as well.
I think Tannenbaum has done a great job. I have to disagree with your assessment.
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One other crazy prediction . . . if Rex Ryan gets the gig, Jim Fassel offensive coordinator.
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jeff i says:
call me crazy but i want b schott. great for continuity and he got a new QB 1 week before the season this year. last year, he had no OL. i know that’s a long list of excuses but the guy apparently has the goods.
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What is the fascination with Jim Fassel on this board?????
They guy can’t get a job on other teams… Why on earth would the Jets want this Giant cast off???????
Why would any Jet fan want this Giant cast off???????
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Dean Barbella says:
Bent,
I agree with JesusRevis regarding Tannenbaum’s free agency moves – great!
And, I think he did a solid job to trade up second round picks to grab studs like Keller and Harris. The sixth overall pick was a tough spot and I guess we could have traded down, but I’m still holding out hope the Ghostbuster shows some results next season.
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Jesus,
1. None of the offseason aquisitions were successful for 1 reason:
The Jets didn’t make the playoffs!!!2. I did mention Neon Leon.
My problems with Mr.T:
1. Brings in big name QB – Favre – could have done that a year ago with Moss. But hey, maybe the Jets would have found a way to messthat up too.
2.Fails to bring in or draft any big time offensive players outside of Washington. Why didn’t he just step out of the way and let mangini run the draft???
3. I’ll give him cred for Harris and mangold, and Brick. But I wanted D’angelO Willims in that draft. I knew he would be a beast.
At the end of the day, Mr. T is a numbers man and he belongs in the numbers room with the numbers people. He can evaluate talent but he cant evaluate spark, leadership, personality. Ironically the Jets O and D lack just that.
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Liam
Woah, that’s too crazy,As for the Defensive coordinator, anybody but Bob Button will be a step up no matter who we get.
I wonder if we gonna fire Kevin O’ dea the supposed special team coordinator, because having him on the roster is a waste of money, Westoff is enough for this team
I hope we do get Rex though, I hope we don’t have to go back to the 4-3 with Spags, who I think is out of the picture anyway because of his mediocre interview
So the only serious guys are Rex Ryan, Brian Billick, and Schotty ( supposedly )
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Again, when he moved up to draft Keller… why not move up to draft McFadden and get a more solid blocking TE in the later rounds. WHy even move to draft Keller. There were bigger TE’s in that draft with hands.
Ahhhhh, Terry Bradway lives!!!!!
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I know it is nyckage, just saying. they worked together in Baltimore, Fassell is a QB guru and Fassell is not going to get a HC job any time soon and might try and position himself for a big market OC job like the Jets.
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SackDance99 says:
Tannenbaum also was involved in drafting Brick, Mangold, Harris, Lowery, Keller and Stuckey. His trades have been very good (even if you don’t like Favre, there’s been Jones and Jenkins…two Pro Bowlers who deserved selection) and his FA signings, on balance, have been productive: Pace, Faneca, Woody and K. Coleman (yes, Kimo was a bust). Also, his draft day trades have yielded productive players, like Revis and Keller. Plus, he’s a cap expert. He has a lot of promise as a GM. After the 8-3 start, most pundits had him as the GM of the Year. He could be the Jets’ new Ron Wolf, who I don’t believe ever played the game either.
Tanny’s not the problem. He’s shown that he’s thorough and methodical and, as Cimini pointed out, this is his first real HC search. I’m optimistic that whoever he picks will end up being a solid choice and I haven’t seen one name proposed (even Schotty) that has debacle written all over it (but I would be very skeptical about Schotty, unless he hires his dad as an assistant). There’s no Kotite on the list, i.e. an owner favorite coming off of a failed coaching stint. Plus, this team has a good mix of youth and age and should be able to compete immediately…the only “rebuilding” revolves around the QB position and, at least, the Jets have prospects at the position and there’s decent FAs available, like Leftwich, who I think is a no-brainer choice for the Jets if Favre retires. That being said, I’d like to see Rex Ryan as the HC. His game plan against Chad was very well-conceived and executed; a great audition. His defenses have all been top notch, even with losing great talent (this season, he lost Kelly Gregg and the beat went on after losing Adalious). I don’t want Spags. He’s a talented coach, but Rex has shown a willingness to adapt his schemes to the talent available with both base 3-4 and 4-3 sets…Spags has a 4-3 system that just doesn’t seem suited for the Jets. Plus, I can’t stand tapping the Pats last time or the Giants this time. Rex has a Jets family connection. Let’s try to respect Jets history, for a change.
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Joe B. says:
I’m happy with any of those guys except Schottenheimer. My top choices would be Ryan, Jagodzinksi and Frazier.
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So sackdance,
Who’s the leader on the D?
Where’s the offensive core?
Where’s the defensive and offensive identity? Where’s the downfeild threat?
If we’re just going to draft and trade for talent, then why dont the jets just hire A Davis? lol.
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Jimbo says:
At this point, since it’s pretty obvious Cowher and Shanahan aren’t showing up, I’m thinking Rex Ryan would be our best shot. I like Spags a lot but I don’t think we’ll get him, while I think we have a great shot at Ryan and will like him, especially since he’s a 3-4 guy and could maybe pry his brother away from the Raiders.
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lgs, Keller was a rookie. He hit the rookie wall. If he progresses, he could be the NFL’s next great pass-catching TE. Plus, college QBs don’t throw like Favre and he wasn’t the only guy that suffered from the drops. Keller was a very good pick and a great value.
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Well Sackdance, lets revisit this conversation at the end of next year and see who has more catches – Keller or Limas Sweed/Desean Jackson. Because I wonder why jackson didn’t hit a rookie wall?
McFadden may even have more catches.
I like Keller a lot. But drafting Keller was just throwing the offense a bone in a defense heavy draft. You cant have a defense heavy draft every year.
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Bent says:
Maybe Jackson DID hit the rookie wall (9-137-0TD over the last 4 games, where Keller (less productive over the course of the season) was 8-75 in the same period. Each of them had a drop off in production over the last few games.
Of course, Jackson obviously got his second wind this weekend, but maybe Keller would’ve too if the Jets made the postseason. They might have faced NE, a good matchup for him.
Keller hasn’t scratched the surface of what he can do yet. I want to see more yards after the catch next year. There’s no doubt he’s capable. He’ll drop fewer balls with a more accurate performance from the QB next year too.
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lgs, leader on D…there’s Harris, Rhodes and Jenkins, for starters. Since I think the defense sputtered because of poor coaching, I don’t think that team leadership was an issue. On offense, Faneca is the leader of the OL and Mangold is heir apparent. TJ is a leader on the offense. Again, the offense scored 405 points, 3rd most in Jets history. So, I don’t think any perceived lack of leadership was the issue there.
The offensive core? Brick, Mangold, Leon, Keller and Jericho are all young and good. We don’t know about Clowney, Stuckey, KC or Ratliff, yet and the vets, like Moore, Baker and Faneca have some good years left.
Offensive and defensive identity? The HC sets that, so let’s see.
Downfield threat? This team was crafted for Chad, so there isn’t a downfield threat, except for Clowney, who we didn’t see enough because of Mangini’s insistence on special teams value, which wouldn’t have been an issue if the team carried 1 FG kicker. I agree the Jets need a bona fide downfield threat if Favre, KC, Ratliff or Leftwich ends up as the QB. But, killing Tanny for that makes no sense. He didn’t know that Favre was going to be the Jets’ QB until August…a little too late to get a deep threat and, unfortunately, Clowney got injured.
And, I really don’t understand your last comment…drafting talent or FA signings are the only ways to add players…so, what’s with the Al Davis comment?!?
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Like I said. I’m not hating on Keller. I tink he’ll be great with development. He remind me of a less intense Vernon Davis.
But in a draft that was deep with RBs and WRs, we got a TE. Then brought in a downfeild QB with no downfeild threat. That’s bad GM work. Am I wrong?
And no one can come up with an answer to these questions that I’ve been asking:
Who’s the defensive leader?
Who’s the offensive leader?
Why haven’t they been drafted?
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Bent says:
The results are starting to take shape, but don’t tell the whole story. For example, say Rex Ryan is the most popular choice because 200 people vote for him and Spags is second with 100 votes. If most of those 100 guys would absolutely hate it if Ryan got the job, whereas the most of other 200 would still be almost as happy with Spags as a fallback, then you don’t fully get a sense of how great the support behind them is.
I’d be interested in seeing an approval rating poll. For example, each of the coaches would be listed and you’d give them a grade from 1 to 10 with 1 meaning you’d never root for the Jets again if that guy were hired and 10 meaning you’d want to have Woody Johnson’s babies if he hired that guy (well, perhaps not, but you get the idea).
Anyone like this idea? If enough of you express an interest, we’ll see if we can set it up.
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lgs, I liked McFadden, but the Jets would’ve had to trade up to get him and, if they were going to do that, then why not draft Matty Ice, who I relentlessly touted last year? The Jets will have lots of RBs to choose from in this draft because no RB is slated to go in the top 15…I think Knowshon Moreno or Beanie Wells would be good value at 17, so maybe this is the year to add a 1st round RB. I’d be for it and I really like Moreno.
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Great post, SackDance99! Bring on Buddy’s Boys!
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YES, YES, YES, Sackdance!!!!!!!!!!
That’s exactly what I’m talking about. If you’re going to trade to move up. Let’s make it a power move. And, once in a while, let’s let the offense benefit. I would have loved to get Matt Ryan.
That’s all I was saying.
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Bent says:
You mentioned Vernon Davis. It may have gone unnoticed that he has developed into a fantastic blocker. So, him and Keller differ in that regard, but hopefully Dustin has the tools to get to the same level in a similar period of time. (Vernon did have a head start, as he was already a competent, but not great blocker when drafted, whereas Keller is below par, although I did see some signs of improvement towards the end of the year).
The other difference is in how they’re used. When the strong armed JT Sullivan was under center, Davis either stayed in to block or ran a go route, none of the underneath stuff that was Keller’s meat and drink. Over the last few games (with Hill’s short passing) he became more productive, but his average dropped, although they did start winning.
I was surprised to see that Keller’s numbers were already way better than Davis’ already, although it’s a good comparison. In fact, Davis has the edge athletically.
Finally, here’s what everyone overlooks – Davis…5 years, 23m and Keller…5 years, 12m.
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Bent says:
Count me against using our first round pick on a RB when we desperately need a corner and a mike linebacker and maybe a safety and already have two pro bowlers at that position.
I’m not averse to trading up (or – better still – down) a few spots, but not into the top five or so, because that will be too punitive financially and as outlined above, we have big needs to fill.
(Although Moreno will be special).
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lgs, I really thought the defensive leader was slated to be Harris, but his injury retarded his growth as a team leader and hampered his play. A healthy Harris is a force and calls the defensive plays, which makes him the natural leader. But, I would expect Rex Ryan to want to sign Bart Scott, so the Jets could sign another leader.
Bent, I like your idea. I don’t want Spags. The Jets just don’t have 4-3 OLBs or a 4-3 RDE. I just don’t want to see any major rebuilding. The team has to be better coached, not torn up.
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seanmac31 says:
My preference is generally for offensive coaches with top notch game planning skills, which is why Mike Shanahan has been my preference from the get go. That said, with him not available, I’m fine with Rex Ryan. Honestly, I’m fine with a great many people. No group of fans was jumping up and down and calling for Mike Tomlin or Mike Smith or Tony Sparano or Jim Harbaugh or any of the other recent first time coaches who have done very well. (For that matter, fans weren’t jumping up and down for Bill Belicheck or Tom Coughlin when they were hired, either.) Fans have very little sense of what makes for a good head coach, as they don’t really see any of the factors that go into making one. I continue to think that Tannenbaum is a bright and forward thinking GM, and I feel comfortable with most of the names who have come up.
I would add that I think people who assume that Rex Ryan will come in and turn our defense into worldbeaters right away are mistaken. The Jets defense collapsed because the Patriots exposed some significant personnel weaknesses, and those will have to be corrected. It’s not just enough to say that there’s a new coach around and he’s aggressive. Bob Sutton blitzed all the time- he just didn’t have players who could execute successfully, and he didn’t have corners who could hold up in coverage, so no one ever noticed when the blitz got dialed up.
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Good point Bent, my comparison was based more on height, build, and speed, then on the way Keller could be used with the right QB.
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sackdance
I don’t know about a running back this year, yes TJ is getting older, but Leon is becoming a better RB is year and the year after he will be ready to take the NFL by storm, but letting a guy like Chris Wells go when he is in your grasp, you must have huge balls too that, which I think Mike has, and besides we have needs on defense like ILB and a guy to replace Kenyon Coleman, because has 4-3 written all over him, and we also need a CB, unless Lowery starts to come on his own
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david i says:
Igs…I agree with your comment. I am starting to get very concerned over the fate of the team lying in Tannenbaum’s hands. Johnson has blind faith in him, while he still has unproven. Do I like some of his off-season moves last year…Yes. Did they all work out…No. Do I love his drafts…no. Do I like some of his picks…yes. Now he has so many different style candidates in the picture, its hard to say he knows or is clear on what he’s really looking for in a new HC, unless he is interviewing all these guys until the guy he really wants comes in. That leads me to believe its Ryan.
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oleosmirf says:
you dont win superbowls with a great running back you win it with a great line and a smart quarterback.
the problem was poor in-game coaching, poor QB and WR play late in the year and no pass rush.
We only have 2 WR on the team and both are possesion receivers with Coles being on his last legs. We needed a deep threat to keep the CB from playing so tight on our WR
We drafted Gholston so early and Mangini didnt even bother playing him . A better coach finds a way to use him instead of sitting on the bench all season…
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Bent says:
I totally agree with Seanmac. My attitude to the coaching search is pretty much identical and the problems with the defense (as I kept saying) weren’t that they didn’t blitz, it was that they couldn’t get anything out of doing so. That could be because of coaching to an extent, but I do fear our personnel is not as good as many people think.
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I’d also add that Mr. T drafted, brought in, or failed to get rid of many of those players that couldn’t get home on Bob Sutton’s blitzes.
Which, one of my original points about Tannenbaum is that it’s not just talent. It’s chemistry. It’s being able to bring in a good balance of leaders and role players. Workhorse players, a balance f physical attributes, etc…
Setting your coach up to win.
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Bent, I think Lowery can be an NFL corner and while Bart Scott is a TED not a MIKE, he and Harris could switch…I trust Rex to make it work (yes, I’m predicting both that Ryan will be HC and he’ll want an on-field coach for the D). I agree about safety and like Taylor Mays (although I wonder about his speed), but I also like Elam and, if Lowery doesn’t make it as a corner, he could easily be a safety. I thought the main problem with the pass D was the pass rush…blitzing is a high risk proposition, but against Shaun Hill, Seneca Wallace and Chad, wants the worry? A better DC/defensive plan and the CB and S positions wouldn’t be such a worry.
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speaking of Rex Ryan, he has 2 future hall of famers on his defense (Ray Lewis and Ed Reed), and some other tremendous players that has to be taken into consideration.
I mean i’m not taking anything away from Rex Ryan but those players can make any coach look that good
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Oh yea, where’s the ballhawk???
We haven’t had a ballhawk since Donnie Abraham.
Elam is a disaster waiting to happen. He makes the spare big play and then
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I think we should put Rhodes back to Strong Safety and move Lowery to Free Safety and once again make Abram Elam the back up. If Lowery Can’t make it as a Corner we have to put him at safety to make better use of his talent. And I don’t think Taylor Mays will slip past the top 10, so too bad sackdance.
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Schuman says:
I can’t believe I’m saying this, but I’m optimistic for a few reasons…
1. The Line play on both sides is above average. An average QB can make himself look better behind that line for the next 2 years. The D-Line wore down a little, but with this year behind them and a better DC, they’ll get better. Ideally, if Gholston ‘shows up,’ he and Pace rushing from either side could be dangerous.
2. I like that Woody and Tanny are taking their time and interviewing everyone. We need the RIGHT guy and a guy who can bring a bit of longevity to the coaching position. My top guys would be Rex, Grimm, Billick. I also think Shotty needs another year or so as the OC. He’s not consistent through the course of the season.
3. Youth. Brick, Mangold, Gholston(assuming he picks it up at some point?), Harris, Revis, Lowery, Stuckey, Keller, Ratliff, Lazer Leon. I don’t think we’ll have to wait long to get back into the playoffs if we get the right coach leading these guys.
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nyckage
good call. i like that idea.And why exactly is Ercik Coleman on the team?
You guys see what a disaster Tannenbaum and Mangenius has made of this team?
Don’t let me get into the linebackers. I mean Bowens??? Barton??? Come on!
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Where are the Jets going to look in the draft at 17? I agree with you guys that it’s time we drafted a real playmaker, but who’s going to be there? Shonn Greene? Maclin? Harvin? Any QB’s?
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seanmac, not surprisingly, I disagree on both of your assessments. I would prefer a former defensive coordinator and Sutton’s blitzes were neither innovative or well-conceived. Yes, the Jets have an issue with speed around the ends, but the Jets sometimes started their safety blitzes with the safety running up from 10 yards out. With Jenkins able to clear out the middle, many blitzes should have come right up the middle, something that both Barton and Harris can do. I think the Pats, Broncos and 49ers exposed scheme weaknesses more than personnel weaknesses.
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Schuman
good for you man, I wish I thought like that but the problem is this team is “Dysfunctional”, we have guys talking about a certain QB, we have our owner out of the country doing god knows what, probably making money, and our GM is a backstabbing friend, yes we have young talent, but is Mike gonna pick the right coach to utilize that talent -
But Still Nyckage, one can dream:
Here’s my wishlist:
1st Round – Darius Heyward-Bey – WR 6’2” 205 – Maryland
2nd Round – Tim Tebow – QB 6’3” 235 – Florida
3rd Round (Projected For Coles) – Greg Isdaner – RG – West Virginia
3rd Round (From Saints) – Rashad Jennings – RB 6’1” 232 – Liberty
4th Round (From Redskins) – Jovorskie Lane – FB 6’0” 285 – Texas A&M
5th Round – Otis Wiley – SS – Michigan State
6th Round – Jason Phillips – ILB – TCU
7th Round – Jeremy Navarre – DE – Maryland
Free Agent – Greg Carr – WR 6’6” 211 – Florida State
Free Agent – Dwain Crawford – CB – Baylor
Free Agent – Gary Williams – OT – Kentucky
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I don’t think we can get our hands on Bart Scott, we have 3.5 mill on Cap ( give or take) and that is if Favre retires, Ellis is due to make alot and believe me when I say alot of money and we have to get rid of coles according to my Madden Franchise he is due to make 7 mill next year, and why is Barrett still on the team he is due to make 5 mill next yr
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Mr. T has done a pretty good job in drafting players….You also have to remember they have taken zero risks when it comes to kids coming out of college. Even though they are sometimes the best athletes or players they have not taken a player with red flags. Revis has been a homerun and Washington is special. Picking the right coach is a huge move for his career.
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nyckage: I really believe the ‘dysfunctional’ thing will be squashed with the right coach. It’s one reason I’m glad Mangini’s gone. He never had that presence with the players…maybe because of his age, I don’t know. We need a no nonsense guy!
Igs: I gotta disagree with Tebow as a second rounder. He’s too much of a ‘project’ that high in the draft. If he’s there in the third…maybe.
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wow lgs
You really did your hw, but I hope that Coles trade happens which I don’t think is going too but like you said one can dream, and you can’t assume Tebow coming out
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Bent says:
I like the Scott idea if we stay in a 3-4 base D, but if we’re playing any 4-3 at all, we still need some faster linebackers (not necessarily in round one though). Is he fast enough and good enough in coverage to play the mike? If so, then he’s got to be worth a look. If we are able to get him, then they can go in another direction in the draft, but there are unlikely to be many other cheap options as good. Any interest in Bruschi if the Pats release him? I’m joking, I think.
I like Mays too. He’s a good enough athlete. I’m sure he is faster and smarter than Elam, so there’s a big upgrade, immediately. If he runs too well at the combine, we’ll never get him at 17!
I like Lowery a lot more than I ever liked Justin Miller, but not sure I’m 100% happy going into next year with him at the top of the depth chart.
Where do you stand on the old debate of can Leon eventually be a feature back debate? I still think he’s too boom or bust and would be better in a platoon (albeit with 15+ carries). Once Jones moves on, I’d expect his role to grow. Sproles’ performance over the weekend did show that a guy like Leon can shoulder the load for a game or two, but he hurt them with the fumble and I’m sure he (Sproles) would struggle to last the season getting more than 10 carries, even if he wasn’t running up the middle very often. So, yes, we need 2 running backs, but right now we have two good ones.
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WOW….lgs just broke down his draft and free agents on Jan 5th…..Awesome! I actually wouldnt go with a WR (I just think great Wr’s fall in the draft) in round 1 but I love the Jovorskie Lane pick in rd 4. He’s got J Mclain or B Jacobs written all over him.
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true on both accounts about Tebow.
Schuman, if Tebow does come out he’s not gonna slip that far. I doubt if he will though.
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Bent
Right now I think TJ should get the bulk of the carried, but after next year Leon will finally learn the ropes and become a great player
And I don’t think Mays gonna slip to us even if he does have a slow 40 time.
I like Lowery only if he a safety.
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jets says:
HC: Russ Grim
OC: Chan Gailey
DC: Keith Butler
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Bent:
Great point on Lowery. People forget that Miller made zero plays at CB. Lowery made mistakes but he was always around the ball and made plays.
I also think Mays will shoot up the draft board. Big fast safties like him dont usually get out of the top 10 recently. GM’s have seen what Poly and Ed Reed, Landry etc… can do for a defense. He is goin gto be so highly rated he will go high.
If we go to the 4-3 we have to get on eof those USC LB’s those kids are scary.
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Thanks Drew.
I think the Jets could draft a big receiver in the later rounds. But historically, no matter who the coach, the Jets have been horrible, i mean just atrocious, at player development.
Leon aint a feature back. He’s a Brian Westbrook. TJ’s getting old. We need a workhorse that can inherit the feature back role.
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Anybody else get the felling that TJ (like most 30+ RB’s) will take a big step back next year? I think he is a still a quality back but there are reasons these guys dont last very long
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Tanny is not the problem!!!!!
He is a risk taker, an incrediblely active GM who is always going for it. You want a guy who tries to win every year, not somebody protecting his job.
Think about the way he got Farve (even if you HATE the trade) it was INCREDIBLE. When Tanny wants a guy, he gets him. Remember the years where we were 3-13 and didn’t do anything in free agency? Or worse yet went after guys and were told “no thanks!” Remember when we drafted kickers with our first pick?
We need an established coach….can’t believe I’m saying this…but we probably need Billick
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Bent says:
Drew: Igs first posted those draft picks about a month ago if I’m not mistaken! He does a fine job too. The only thing that jumps out at me is Greg Carr undrafted. I know he is projected to go late and can drop the occasional ball (and has off-field concerns), but I can’t believe that nobody will pick him up. At 6’6″ and capable of going deep and making some incredible catches over the top, he could be a weapon, although he will need to bulk up otherwise he will never get separation against NFL corners. He’d be a project, but if nobody does draft him (which, as I say, would surprise me, but does fit his current stock profile), he’d be a good guy to look at.
Kage: Your assessment of the cap position is pretty good, but they have plenty of options to free up cap room whether Favre does or doesn’t return (example: Barrett – saves 3.7m). While they would struggle to afford a big name guy, I’m sure Bart Scott isn’t out of our price range.
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I don’t mind going after guys in FA, but I don’t want to become the Dan Snyder Redskins of a few years back.
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I like the idea of Bart Scott. He could be a leader, a personality guy, a force guy.
Greg Carr is projected as a free agent right now. But as my wish list was created so early, lots can change. It doesn’t take into consideration coaches, the 1st free agent period, combine numbers, etc. So things can change. But most projections that go that deep into position classes project Carr as FA.
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Bent says:
With Jagodzinski risking his job to interview here, is there any chance he could end up as an offensive coordinator candidate? Obviously that will depend on the head coach, but he does have experience (including with Favre in 2006 – when he was awful – in fact).
I like the Alex Gibbs connection. In the cap era, the fact that Gibbs can get an NFL line out of cut-priced players is unbelievably valuable. I wonder what JJ could do with a high priced line? If he could pass on tips that led to similar success, maybe he could even groom the likes of Turner and Hunter to fill in for Faneca and Woody when they get too old, which would free up more money in a few years to get defensive playmakers or a big name receiver (or franchise QB, perhaps).
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True, but Snyder’s problem wasn’t so much that he spent money. It was that he spent money in the wrong areas, on selfish players, and never looked more then a year down the road. Really, Tanney only did this the one time (Yes, Farve).
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Bent says:
Yeah, a buddy of mine usually does a mock draft for his team’s picks about now based on their current stock and then we reassess before the draft, by which time about four or five of them are always first rounders!
Maybe you share his ability to spot guys who will rise (although it would be better – if this was your job – to identify guys who are actually drafted low, but prove to be good!)
Nice work, anyway. I love Jorvorskie, he was one of my favorite guys to watch these last few years. He is a real twinkletoes for his size, although I’m not sure if that’s a good or bad thing!
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I don’t know who this Jorvorskie fella is but the yway you guys describe him, he might be worth the investment? Can anyone give me info on him?
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GANGGREEN says:
I posted my FIRST round pick last night speaking to largebarge on here DRE KIRKPATRICK plays cb,wr,and safety and already heard we dont need another univeral player like BRAD SMITH…LET me tell u something most scouts have posted forums on him being better than DEION SANDERS so he would make BRAD SMITH look like a pop warner player…DO a google search and see for yourself DRE KIRKPATRICK FIRST ROUND NO DOUBT ABOUT IT….
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It’s a good thing. Jamal Lewis has twinkle toes.
I wanted to find guys that, though projected low, had good measurables, which makes them able to contribute right away. Like Jennings – he’s projected as a lw 3rd ronder because he’s from 1-AAA. But RB is the easiest position to transition to in the NFL. He could literally pick up where he left off at Liberty.
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Bent says:
J Lane is really nimble/agile, with spin moves and quick footed stutter step moves in his arsenal. Because of his size (which fluctuated as high as 290 at one stage, but didn’t limit his explosiveness) he has power too, although he can sometimes dance in the hole a bit too much and get stuffed.
He’s not a classic blocking back, but with that size and explosiveness could surely do well in that role.
Decent hands and good in short yardage.
Texas A&M were not very successful despite his efforts.
The only other memorable thing about him is that in one game I saw, the coaches hardly gave him the ball for some reason and he was crying his eyes out on the sideline.
I am high on Jehuu Caulcrick too though and although Le’ron McClain panned out (PS he hardly ever carried the ball at Alabama), the 4th round is awful early for a FB unless he is elite, but then I guess if he’s a TB too, then there’s added value.
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nyckage:
Lane is a BIG 6’0 275 lbs RB/FB from Texas AM. He had a nice JR year running the ball but was moved to FB by Mike Sherman….(which was an awful idea) as a senior as he changed the offense. He is pretty physical but has quick feet and some speed for a guys his size. He will play in the Jan 18th East West game but is not a top prospect 4th-5th rd. He is a guy that defenders dont want to tackle. He needs to be in shape to make a difference in the NFL.
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Thanks a bunch Bent
If that analysis is accurate we have to get this guy, I don’t think Richardson is coming back next year so we are in need of a FB.
I only think we should draft a WR in the 2nd Rd , the 1st is too high unless your drafting a Calvin Johnson meaning if he ain’t top 5 worthy he ain’t 1st Rd worthy
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BENT any thoughts on DRE KIRKPATRICK IN THE 1ST round for the JETS could plug three holes with one player….
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DREW- SANDERS played both sides of the ball u idiot and scouts are saying he is better than SANDERS if he can play cb and or safety thats 2 positions we need help at and the third is WR so the only laugh is on you….for not being able to undersatnd somthing over a 4th grade reading level ….
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BigBadBob says:
wow, I was amazed when I saw that my guy (Rex Ryan) was that far in front of this pole.
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I was kidding GANGGREEN….In college I tried to fill all 3 holes with alot of my girlfriends…..Calm down but just a silly play on your words….lol
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I swear they should have an IQ test before being able to post on this site DREW you need to be the first in line…..
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Sack,
Maybe it was schematic and maybe it was personnel. It’s interesting to read Mike Lombardi’s take on the team. Lombardi has been strongly outspoken on the team’s personnel for some time, and he’s kind of split between your view and my view on a lot of things. He was very down on Kellen Clemens last year (for arm strength, of all things) and was a big proponent of the Jets moving up for Matt Ryan. He is very critical of the job Tannenbaum has done with the cap and suggests that the Jets have the worst cap situation in the league. He’s also slammed Vernon Gholston as being an obvious bust from the preseason on. His basic take on the team is that they have less talent than they seem to think they do on defense, that they need a wide receiver who can separate and make a play on his own, and that their recent drafting history is substandard.
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oh ok my bad just dont want to be played the fool LOL my bad,,,,
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SEANMAC, I read on article last night posted by Lawrence TAYLOR stating that VERNON GHOLSTON was the worst football player he has ever saw and also stated that the combine numbers dont mean squat when equating a true football player…I was like wow LT ripping on a player like that NEVER heard him go public with statements like that….
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ridinmywave says:
Not to say that spags won’t be a good head coach, no reason to say why not, but what is the big deal about bringing sapgs to the jets (ny post and dailynews keep hyping it), considering this team has been built and have established themselves for a 3-4 scheme, when spags has primarily and ONLY ran the 4-3 his entire career dating back to his philly days.
With this being the case, what is ONE thing we would benefit from him being here?…he’s not the “fired” up guy some of you have been craving for, and his defensive scheming doesn’t fit our personnel.Not to mention having to eat off of our hometown rivals plate to re-establish our defense is something giant fans would be eager to hold over our heads.
Besides the fact that rex ryan has been doing it longer and more effectively than spags, when it comes to defensive, he his a 3-4 guru who has been known to switch it up to the 4-3 scheme to better utilze the strenghts of the front 7 on the field at any given time, not to mention in all his years his secondary has played the “best” football in the league. I know ed reed is there, but the ravens secondary has been dealing with significant injuries consistently. So for lowery, gholston and other young developing jet defenders sake he would be a great fit here.
And he is an aggresive minded person as far as his playcalling on defense and his “in your face” mentality, so wouldn’t that carry over to the offensive play calling?(My assumption)…and if so, we scored 400 points last year, and schott is continuing to develope, so let him continue to play his role as our OC while he continues to build chemistry with our offense. Is that not something to look forward to??
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Damn, I can’t front, from some recent analysis and even scouting reports from his ohio state days, I’ve heard some TERRIBLE things about gholston. And wasn’t LT just praising him not too long ago when working out with the kid saying he has “potential”?? I hope he succeeds when given a chance, but I can’t help but to feel nervous about the guy. If nothing happens next year, and I say IF!, this will be a hell of a bust.
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RIDIN,i heard that LT was supposed to mentor GHOLSTON this off season then i read another article quoting LT ripping him as a player…DONT know what to believe is the TRUTH these days….
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And nyckage,
Why wouldn’t richardson come back next year? I think despite his age, he is still VERY effective. If would love if he came back for another year or two
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RIchardson is one of if not the best FB to play in the game…makes every running back behind him look great…I would take RICHARDSON at 80%health over just about every other FB in the league (L.NEAL) being the only exception to that rule….
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Ganggreen I totally agree, his track record speaks for itself, and last year was no exception, and we even got to see he can still run effectively, he is probably the best and smartest fb in the game…..I see no one wanted to give tanni credit for the aquisition either, lol. I really hope he retires as a jet.
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ASK PRIEST HOLMES<LARRY JOHNSON<and ADRIAN PETTERSON if they would have been half as effective without him lol resigning him is a must
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MikeD says:
Did anybody watch the Ravens destroy the Dolphins yesterday? Has Chad ever had a good day against the Ravens defense?
Need I saw more! There is only one candidate for the JETS- REX RYAN will blitz the JETS to respectability. We need a intimidating defense to earn respect.Woody- HIRE RYAN !!!
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Here a good question I am all for REX RYAN coming to the JETS but are D.HARRIS and K RHODES = to J LEWIS and REED i know defense is about scheme and putting players in positions to were they can be successful I’m just wonder truely does our 3-4 personel fit his scheme as well as it does in BALTIMORE….I think if REX comes we see more FA’s hit this defense before it truely becomes a BEAST in the EAST….
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Frank says:
Jets should have traded up to get McFadden or Ryan? They would have no shot at Ryan because the Falcons were not going to trade the 3rd pick and pass up on a chance to start a new face for the franchise. And Al Davis was pretty set on getting his star player. If anything, Mr T should have traded down, if he had the chance, stockpiled picks, and get more talented players. I was not a big Gholston fan this season. I could see him being a good player but he needs a motivator as coach.
Igs, u are way off…….the true identity with a team starts with the line play, which the Jets have. What do I think the Jets are missing??? A big bruiser at RB – Jacobs, Leron McClain. A guy like this punishes the D and makes u pay. Look at the Ravens……they pound the ball 40 times a game and Flacco throws some key 1st downs and bomb passes. The Jets should take this identity of a powerful O-Line, Ratliff at QB, pound the ball and blitz by playing solid D, which is what this team’s identity is……….Rex Ryan and his brother would provide this team with that identity.
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Bent says:
Gang green – I assume you are joking about Dre Kirkpatrick. He is a fantastic prospect with size and speed and could indeed one day be a first round pick. Probably just as a corner though.
Of course, he’s a high school senior and therefore won’t be eligible for the NFL draft until 2012, but I am pretty sure you knew that?!?!
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seanmac, you know I wanted the Jets to trade up to the Rams pick to get Matty Ice and I was (and am) no fan of Gholston. But, I think Lombardi’s assessment of the Jet drafts is pretty harsh. The Jets have added 3 Pro Bowl players (for whatever that’s worth…Mangold, Leon and Revis) and an alternate (Brick) from the last 3 drafts. How much better could they have done? But, my criticism was that when you have a chance to draft a potential franchise QB in the first round, as the Jets have had the last 3 drafts, sooner or later the decision not to pull the trigger will hurt and the Jets could’ve tried to get Matty Ice or Flacco last year…the latter of which I think you endorsed.
As for the cap situation, Tanny has proven to be very adept at cap management and Favre’s anticipated retirement as well as the rising cap and trimming of dead wood should give him enough room to sign a guy like Bart Scott, but not Ashomuga. As for the defensive players being overrated, that’s hard for me to judge because I thought the schemes were so poor. For instance, a blitz can steer a QB to a particular side of the field, which on the Jets would be Revis’ because he’s the best cover corner…in that way the fact that Lowery/Law/Poteat are weak on the other side could be minimized. Also, as I said before, the Jets rarely brought pressure up the middle, which they should have done because teams started to let Jenkins penetrate deep into the strong side and countered weak…regular run blitzes would have neutralized that tactic.
On the draft, at 17 the strategy should be BPA and if Knowshon Moreno is still there, how isn’t he BPA? TJ won’t last forever and, as great as he was, he left yards on the field because he can’t run wide effectively and turn the corner. Moreno is explosive and a threat to take any carry to the house if he turns the corner or makes it to the second-level. Because the QB situation will be in flux, why not make the strength of the offense, the running game, even stronger? I like Leon in the Kevin Faulk role and I’d like to see TJ and Moreno in the Dillon/Maroney roles. Leon is not as thickly built as a Sproles or Jones-Drew and he has not shown that he can run between the tackles effectively. But, he’s a weapon that needs to be deployed. As for a WR that is a deep threat, why not try the second round for that (or later because the Jets should also go BPA in the second round)…the Jets might have their deep threat with Clowney, so I would be hesitant to draft a WR in the first round unless the Jets are sure that the WR would start, meaning the WR has to clearly be a better prospect than Clowney…at 17? A WR like that would go sooner.
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Yes, I was a proponent of Flacco at the top of the second, or of sliding back and taking him later on in the first round (which is to say of doing exactly what Baltimore did). Even knowing how things worked out with Ryan- who was stunningly good this year- I would still do the same thing if given the opportunity. Not only does Flacco have better tools, but he ties up much less of the cap.
I agree that from a scheme standpoint Clowney should be starting alongside Cotchery, and that it’s unlikely that a first round prospect would bring anything better to the offense. It’s too early to lock into particular players at this point, but I would think BPA would be the obvious way to go, and that spot in the draft is often a good one for safeties, linebackers and running backs. Adding a DT who could rotate with Jenkins and eventually replace him would be worthwhile, as the Jets have a plethora of ends and could move back and forth between a 3-4, 4-3 (and even a 5-2) look.
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They did not have Coordinator’s back then… Remember the QB’s called all the plays and the ML called the defense.
Buddy Ryan was the Defensive Line coach with the power of the front 7:
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