Comments on: Buzz: Coaching Carousel Coalescing?

By: jas

jas — Wed, 07 Jan 2009 14:35:17 +0000

If Dog is correct and Shotty was the plan all along then we need a real explanation of the three years. Remember the 1st year was cutsy cutsy crap to buy time against a cupcake sched.
If he was the choice what was Favre and Mangini doing here at all?
I still say, has everyone actually watched the games? Poor schemes, poor play calling, poor use of players (LEON) and on and on. When receivers rarely get open that is as much scheme and play calling against ACTUAL defenses. We had none of that. Look at MIami-Ginn and Camarillo-they got open all the time. KC only had Bowe and he was open all the time.
Frankly, none of this makes any sense and we really need to get to the bottom of all this swirling info.
Meantime, it is truly sad.

By: Rich Kotite

Rich Kotite — Wed, 07 Jan 2009 14:06:43 +0000

Ian,

I see the GIANTS giving up 18.4 PPG in the Regular Season for 2008, down from 21.9 2007.

Yes, I am looking at nfl.com/stats.

Let’s not get bogged down into strength of schedule, game situations, weather conditions, etc , etc ,etc.

By: Bent

Bent — Wed, 07 Jan 2009 12:49:17 +0000

Sack, I agree that Spags’ scheme would acquire a bit of tweaking. Stubbornly sticking to an identical system to the one he has in place now would be a disaster.

Let’s look at a normal 4-3 first. The personnel here would be Jenkins plus either Pouha, Devito or Coleman at DT. At defensive end it would be from Gholston, Thomas, Pace, Ellis and Bowens. The linebackers would have to be Harris and then maybe Kassel and Trusnik.

(Note: I am ignoring the free agents: Barton, Murrell, Spencer for the time being).

Now, turning to the Spags scheme: I agree that Mosley wouldn’t be a bad idea alongside KJ if resigned. Also, Murrell could be good at OLB in that system. Your defensive ends would probably come from the same pool as above, although one of them could also play outside linebacker (as Kiwanuka has done at times for the Giants). I agree that this means the other linebacker would need to be someone brought in, because they would need someone with sideline to sideline speed.

Since Jenkins is way bigger than either of the Giants DTs (who are smaller and quicker and look to shoot gaps), I’d imagine that this is where the system would be tweaked so that maybe they could get away with a weakside DE that had less size (if Jenkins does more taking on of blockers than anyone does in the Spags scheme). I also think that Ellis, while he lacks the athleticism of Tuck, could be effective anywhere on the line, including at tackle alongside KJ, shooting gaps as Jenkins creates space (similar to how Haysneworth played this season).

Ideally, yes, we need an elite pass rushing DE (which is always the case for a 4-3 and one of the reasons that the cap cost of the front seven in a 3-4 is lower) and if VG doesn’t shock us all and become one, it’s difficult to see how that would happen, but if guys like Dave Ball can be effective in spot duty in a 4-3 system with a dominant tackle, then this front seven could be productive…maybe.

We must address that fast linebacker who can cover need though – regardless of the scheme next year. Just don’t get a guy who is too small if you’re going to stay in the 3-4!

By: dognamedrevis

dognamedrevis — Wed, 07 Jan 2009 05:52:53 +0000

Some seem to be upset that we let Mangini go without any viable plan in place.
I have a scarier thought. We had one all along….Shotty.
Just a gut instinct, but I think he’s been the choice all along and they are trying to figure out the PR regarding “selling” it to the fans.
Funniest line I’ve heard in a long time on previous post was that he had interview at 4:00p.m. with Woody, but thought he’d trick him up by showing up at 6:00p.m.
Don’t remember who said it, but that’s just hilarious…

By: SackDance99

SackDance99 — Wed, 07 Jan 2009 04:24:41 +0000

Bent, who are the RDE and OLBs in a 4-3 for the Jets? Plus, I keep hearing how Spags 4-3 is different; yet, his DTs are 6-4 over 300 lbers and his DEs are tall and @ 275 lbs. That’s pretty traditional. I know he likes more athleticism from his DTs, but Jenkins has great quickness for a 300 lber, as does Mosely (I think we agree that Pouha has no place in the Spags 4-3). So, they would be the logical DTs. Ellis and Coleman are both a bit heavier and slower than either Tuck or Kiwanuka. So, I think that’s where the problem lies. Ellis is a good pass rusher, so Spags might want him to drop some weight and play LDE…but only BT, who would have to gain 10 lbs comes close to the Tuck/Kiwanuka package. DeVito can play DT, but I’m not sure about Coleman, despite his size. Maybe Coleman drops 15 lbs and gets quicker for RDE? In any event, the front 7, which was coming together, would be in major flux. Plus, while I think a front 4 of Ellis, Mosely, Jenkins and BT/Coleman would be very good against the run, I’m not sure they would generate the type of pass rush that fuels Spags’ D. For that, he would really need a stud RDE.

Harris could play MLB, but the Jets’ OLBs are too big and slow for the 4-3…for instance, Wilkinson at WLB is only 230 lbs!!! Pace and BT are 30-40 lbs heavier than their Giants counterparts. Are you ready for Cody Spencer and Jason Trusnik as the starting OLBs? And, what do you do with Pace and Bowens? IMO, bring in Spags would be a massive cluster-frack for the D.

By: Jose the Jet

Jose the Jet — Wed, 07 Jan 2009 03:34:23 +0000

HOW ABOUT ASKING MANGINI BACK?

By: Jose the Jet

Jose the Jet — Wed, 07 Jan 2009 03:33:11 +0000

THERE ARE SOME PEOPLE WHO DNT INTERVIEW WELL. HOW DID HE GET HIS JOB THAT HE HSNOW? WHAT DID THE GIANTS SEE IN HIM THAT NO ONE SEES NOW?

By: cbiscuit

cbiscuit — Wed, 07 Jan 2009 03:27:16 +0000

Is anybody talking about Jim Harbaugh – the current Stanford HC – as a possible candidate for the Jets? I’m not keen on another young guy, but I hear football guys gushing about this dude.

By: Nick

Nick — Wed, 07 Jan 2009 02:54:45 +0000

Schott still having his job is the real stinky fish in this barrel. I wake up with night sweats dreading him as the HC.

Not to sound like Joe S……but if he is hired i predict the shutting down of TJB in a years time!!!

lol

By: The Ed(itor)

The Ed(itor) — Wed, 07 Jan 2009 02:24:01 +0000

If they are under contract, they can’t leave. But I would let Schott and Sutton go in a heartbeat.