More Details on Mangini’s Hiring in Cleveland
Some more information on who former Jets Head Coach will be taking with him to Cleveland:
Mangini will hire Jets quarterbacks coach Brian Daboll, whose contract is expiring, as his offensive coordinator, league sources told Smith.
For the position of defensive coordinator, sources told Smith that Mangini will bring aboard Raiders defensive coordinator Rob Ryan, whose contract with Oakland also is up. Also that Mangini and former Browns coach Romeo Crennel, fired after the team went 4-12 this season, discussed the possibility of Crennel returning to work with Mangini but decided it best to both go in a different direction.
Daboll’s leaving was a move that was in the cards all along. Friends from their time together in New England, adding Daboll to the staff in 2007 was one where he was pegged to succeed Brian Schottenheimer should he step out to another team. Rob Ryan and Mangini were also friends from NE and Ryan could have been the Jets DC last offseason, but Al Davis barred the move and now that his contract is up, he’s rightfully looking to get out of Oakland as fast as he can.
I’m not sure what we’ll see from the new Mangbrownies (no pressure? bland offense?), so we’ll see how it goes … but how symmetrical and typical for the Jets could this end up being? It’s potentially nightmare fuel.
Symmetrical in that he started in the NFL with the Browns, symmetrical in that it was Belichick’s first head coaching gig … typical in that it would be the Jets in that three team love triangle that would be the ones left bereft and alone. We’ll see how it goes from here, but Mangini has had to learn some lessons from his days in New York and be a better coach for it.
It’s exactly what I feared most from the day that he was hired.
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I agree, Mangini will likely have success in Cleveland but his staying would be no different than Willie Randolph staying with the Mets in 2008. The second the Jets lost two in a row in ‘09 fans would be clamoring for Mangini’s head.
Bring on a proven head coach, NY is a hell of a place to learn… would love to see Brian Billick. Won it all with the Ravens and is adept handling the media. Would take a couple of extra bucks and he’s not the offensive genius people thought he was in Minnesota but he can manage a staff and team…
A shame Rob Ryan goes to Cleveland… would’ve been a nice get if we end up with his brother
Rob Ryan will only go to the Browns if his brother doesn’t get a HC Job in my opinion. The above information can’t be accurate.
Rex Ryan will get a job this year. Hopfully with the Jets!
I am happy for Eric and was NOT in favor of him being fired. In fact I was shocked!
It is being reported that he has a say in who will be the GM and in Personnel as well!
Well Mangini was run out of NY….
Now he will get the Browns into the playoffs as early as next season.
What will you all say then???? What?
Rex Ryan for HC of the NY Jets! THE SAVIOR!
Jets better hire Rex ASAP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Agreed Mangini definitely will take take the browns to atleast 2 playoffs games in his 4 yr run with browns, and he is taking our QB coach with him, I hope Quinn is exited to learn a new playbook
What would really suck, is his team knocks us out of playoff contention, that would be plain, well I would want to commit suicide.but this guy will truly be successful and he is the right man for the job
i always wanted rex ryan as our d cord. Sutton is horrible i wish magini took him……
I think they got themselves a solid football coach. good for him – he got a bit of a raw deal here.
i want rex ryan or shanahan, i think shanahan can handle ny better because he has been in a crazy sport city before
he also turned cutler into an all pro, which could happen with clemen, you never know
I’m a Rex Ryan guy ,big time… Stuff about Schott taking over scares me…. Mike..do you think Sutton was forced on Mangini because of his age.. clearly Rob Ryam and Dabol are Mangini guys….
I’m happy for Mangini too. He seems like a good guy with a lot of coaching potential and youth on his side. I wonder if his tenure here in NY would have been different if he could have pried Rob Ryan away from Oakland a year ago.
I wish him the best – every sunday except when they play the jets. I think he’ll be a good one. High class guy.
unless we get rex ryan the firing of mangini was stupid…should have let him stay another year and brought in rob ryan to be our DC….
let favre go and let clemens and ratliff compete for a spot…
but no woody fires mangini then goes on vacation….
Mangini blows our season, with seven All-Pro’s and a few future All-Pro’s, and Cleveland can’t wait to get him. Have fun, Cleveland.
He can take the whole coaching staff, except for Westhoff. There was no doubt that the coaching took us out of the playoffs.
If Shanahan, who lives for the running game, becomes our head coach — We would lead the league in rushing, in his first year. I would love to see him get the job.
Looks like Mangini is hiring Rob Ryan as his DC and possibly taking Brian Daboll as his OC.
O well we will just have to hire the better Ryan brother :)
Adam Schefter is saying Rob Ryan is Hired as DC. He is stating it as a FACT!
Wow… does this mean that Rex Ryan is going to stay put as the Ravens DC for next season????
Adam Schefter
Ryan hired as Browns defensive coordinator
Posted: January 7th, 2009 | Adam Schefter |
Eric Mangini has yet to be introduced as the Browns coach, but he made his first move by hiring Rob Ryan as his defensive coordinator.
Sounds to me like the Jets are going to get SCREWED AGAIN!!!!!!!
Mangini will last two years in Cleveland and be canned.
profootballtalk.com reports that brian daboll was the jets next OC in waiting…anyone ever hear that?
harvlis –
the thing is mangini is gonna be a good coach in this league. at some point in time, on this board, we’ll talk about how crazy it was to let him go. with that said we ‘ll also forget the reason that he had to go.
good luck to mangini in cleveland. he has a better QB now than we do.
The only thing I will add is the value we get from seeing who Eric wants with him and who he does not.
I cannot thing of any condemnation of the Shott and Sutton then Eric going outside and beneath.
I hope our next HC is as wise.
harlan
I think this was a good choice by Cleveland. If I was Lerner, I might have picked him myself. After the last two years, I was undecided about how good a coach Mangini really was, but I was more than happy to give him at least one more chance IF he changed his coordinators.
I still think that what hurt him the most was Schotty and Sutton, and especially Favre. I wasn’t for keeping Chad, but I always feared that Favre’s downside might well outweigh his positives. If Mangini had not been saddled with Favre, and if he had been able to get Rob Ryan last year, then he would almost certainly still be the coach of the Jets now.
I always liked Mangini and wanted him to succeed, and I still do. With Daboll and Ryan as his two coordinators, coupled with his previous experience as a head coach, I think he will do very well in Cleveland, especially with a young Brady Quinn as his quarterback. I also think it will help him not to be in the same division as New England, especially because regardless of our personal feelings for Belichick, I still think he is a better coach than Mangini and one of the best coaches in the league.
So, I wish Eric Mangini and the Browns GOOD LUCK, (unless you play the Jets!)
Now that the goodbyes are over, I say let’s go get Rex Ryan! Make Bill Callahan the offensive coordinator. Give Jags Daboll’s old position of quarterback coach, (if he’ll accept the demotion,) and let Rex choose a new defensive coordinator himself if his brother is already on Mangini’s staff. Release Favre, (let him sign with the Vikings or whomever he likes – I mean, who cares?) We need that $13M cap space! Wish Schotty the best of luck and then send him on his way… out the door. Let Tannenbaum work his magic to pick up some new players both in the draft and free agency. And bring on 2009! Go Jets!
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Eric will be nothing. Remember that.
As for us Shanahan or Billick. One and two. No other.
Rob Ryan and Mangini in Clevelang should make a nice team. Would have been nice if Mangini would have stayed and we hired Rob Ryan and dumped Sutton. Oh wait….the Joe Beningo’s of the world wanted Mangini out because he made some mistakes and chewed too much gun on the sidelines so that couldnt happen…….Be careful what you wish for Jet fans
Greenblood, justify one thing you just stated.
I wish Mangini well in Cleveland and I am sure he will do a better job with the Browns than with the Jets. He will probably learn from his mistakes and his coordinators are already better than Schotty and Sutton, one of his major downfalls here, plus he will not have to deal with the retarded NY media.
Symmetrical in that Cleveland is where the Favre nightmare began for the Jets.
I had heard Dabol was in NE’s sights if Mcdaniels left too. I liked Ryan too.
If Schott gets the job I’ll be very confused, but I keep hearing his name. I will burn down the Jets complex if he keeps Sutton as his defensive coordinator. Does Woody believe it was just Mangini?
I give Mangini a lot of credit for watching(He could have helped more) his very promising team collapse, getting fired, and giving a great interview the next day. That’s not easy. He bounced back fast and our pants are still down around our ankles or something like that.
The problem is that Cleveland isn’t in a good place to succeed in the near term. They are light on draft picks this year, and have a complicated 2 QB situation that needs to be ironed out. The teams future is riding on Brady Quinn, and that’s going to be an interesting one to look at. Will he go the Manning(s) route, or the Leinhard/Carson route?
David
Mangini will be a very good coach. True, he’s not yet. People aren’t patient here. I hope all the bashers admit it if it turns out they are proven wrong, but they’ll probably use it as evidence to fire the GM. And so it continues.
Thank God that I’m not a Browns fan!!! If I were, my idiot owner just said no to Mike Shanahan, an offensive mastermind and QB guru who could have decided which of my young QBs to keep. Instead, I chose Eric Mangini, who hasn’t shown any aptitude to develop the QB position. And, I told my fanbase that a HC with a 23-25 record and no playoff wins was such a compelling candidate that I had to hire him instead of Billick, Shanahan, Marty Schottenheimer, Rex Ryan, Spags, Schwartz, Meeks, and others. I just fired a DC from the BB coaching tree and replaced him with a less successful DC from the BB coaching tree. Pure genius!!! That’s the type of HC search that I expect from the Jets!!!
I guess as Jets fans, we have to be scared that big, bad Eric will become the next Lombardi. I’m not! Cleveland’s not in our division, has to play 4 games against Baltimore and Pittsburgh and, fwiw, the Bengals with a healthy Palmer are very dangerous. Good Luck, Eric..you will need it!!! And, bully for you!!! Getting a 4-year contract from this putz was better than the T. Jones swindle.
Oh, and for historical precedent, how about when the Browns stole Bud Carson from us? Didn’t work out that well for Cleveland then, and Bud was a GREAT DC.
damn sack….tell me how you REALLY feel! lol……good luck Mangini.
Eric didn’t take Sutton. But Eric “stuck by” Sutton in NY.
hmmm…
I think Woody didn’t want to pay the rest of Sutton’s contract years and then pay for a more expensive DC like Rob Ryan. Probably felt hiring a DC wouldn’t sell PSLs… and most likely he told Mangini to stick with Sutton and in turn he would allow Mangini to get players he coveted like Jenkins and Pace.
And he would have gotten away with it if it wasn’t for those meddling kids.
Great post Steve in China
I don’t know. It’s easy to say Mangini would be good without Favre, or without his coordinators, or if they played the games on Tuesdays, or if he could wear knickers, or whatever. The bottom line is a good coach figures out a way to win with what he has, and after 11 games he knew what Favre was and could not figure it out in Seattle. His coordinators were fine, it was how Eric utilized them that was troubling.
And it’s funny how people perceive ‘experience’. I’d rather get a guy I think can do the job right with no experience than a guy who has experience doing it wrong. If you are not good, you are only experienced at doing it the wrong way.
Let’s wish Mangini well in CLE and Shotty and Sutton in their new High School HC jobs.
Xie xie ni, JD! That’s Chinese for “thank you”.
Let’s just hope that the Jets can be back in the playoff chase next year! Go Jets!
Sack- Shannahan is a glorified running game coach without Elway. Has he fielded a defense?
Schottenhiemer couldn’t win with Montana
Spags has been a D coordiantor for two years. He just blitzes. His mentors blitzes are equal if not better, but no one wantsto hire him to be HC.
Meeks is the D coordiantor for the Colts. When Sanders breaks down so does his unit. They blew the San Diego game.
I like Rex Ryan, but his father wasn’t a even a good head coach. Just a D coordinator.
Mangini has already done one thing that Crennel couldn’t do and that is beat the Steelers with our 4-12 team.
If a good coach wins with what they have what is the excuse for…
Shannahan
Gruden
Schottenhiemer- Retired
Holmgren
Mccarthy
Payton
Phillips
Non of them made the Playoffs
Hahaha “mangbrownies”
I prefer “brownginis”
JAGG, I guees you’re intentionally missing my point. There was no reason to snap up Mangini so quickly. Who else was in the hunt to hire him? And, Shanahan not good with QBs?!? Read Jay Cutler’s quotes about him. Shanahan is an offensive guru, from the running game to the passing game. Mangini had 1 good season where he far exceeded expectations and 2 seasons where he fell short of expectations and he just presided over an awful collapse. Do you really honestly believe he was the best HC prospect out there?
Oh, and your analysis of the available coaches is, with all due respect, utterly simplistic. If Mangini had the kind of success Marty had with a past-his-prime Montana in KC, he’d still be coach. Spags, who I don’t want as HC, was allegedly a bad interview and, why not? He’s probably a little distracted trying to prepare his defense for a second Super Bowl. I’m not a fan of Meeks, but his defense isn’t exactly chock full of talent and Indy blew the Chargers game by losing the coin toss in OT and abandoning the run late in the 4th quarter. And, ripping Rex Ryan because his Dad wasn’t a good HC…next will you insult his mother?
And, your analysis that coaches like Shanny, Holmgren, etc are not worthy because they didn’t win this season is froot-loopy. You can’t seriously tell me that Mangini, right now, is a better HC than any of the guys on your list. Heck, even Wade Phillips, who is just the puppet for Jerry Jones, has only one under .500 full season (and that was 7-9) in his HC career!
“I like Rex Ryan, but his father wasn’t a even a good head coach. Just a D coordinator.” – That isn’t a rip, but his momma wears army boots.
Phillips ruined a buffalo team that had gone to 4 straight super bowls and couldn’t control his team at the end. He is a great defensive mind, but gets pushed around as a HC.
Montana was still the man in KC. Ask Warren Moon whos 11 game mining streak was beat by that beaten up old man. If we had Montana instead of Favre. We’d have been in the playoffs.
Indy in OT had three dumb penalities in that drive. Facemasking a guy in a gang tackle is ridiculous. The run game was horrible the whole game and Scrifes killed the whole offense.
No you don’t have to snap up Mangini, but the majority of prospects aren’t blowing my skirt up.
My point with the list was that good coaches have bad years. Only Dungy and Bellichek win regardless of the situation. Jay Cutler praises Shannahan because Shannahan is a legend and praised Cutler. Not many guys bash their coach and get a good check for it.
With regard to Bud Carson, I especially got a kick out of seeing him smoking cigarettes on the sidelines during games.
I don’t think Shannahan is the right fit for the Jets, I’m hoping we hire Brian Billick, and he takes one of D_ick Lebeau’s or Jimmy Johnson”s top assistants as DC.
Shanahan made, I believe, Brian Griese and Jake Plummer Pro Bowlers and won with every QB…he just needed to focus on defense way more. He’s good with QBs, just admit it. Hey, Phillips’ record is what it is…only one under .500 season and that was 7-9; Marty is just a great regular season coach, but fails in the playoffs…Mangini, to date hasn’t shown his level of success (or Shanny’s or Phillips’ either). And, I agree that Indy’s D imploded in OT, but it held the AFC’s no. 1 offense on its home field to 17 points for 4 quarters. So, I can’t kill Meeks for the loss.
ramble914, I agree on Shanny…not sure about Billick. Bud was an awesome Jets DC and he had 1 good season with Cleveland and, then, got fired midway thru his second…sounds like Bud said the wrong thing to the owner!
Sack- I thought his decision to bench Plummer for Cutler was very premature and a bad decision. A good run game is a QBs best friend and Phillips record should be judged by the talent he is coaching. Mangini is 37. He has more to learn. Good teams have a home grown QB and consistency. Ask the Giants (Coughlin has made some dumb decisions too), Eagles, Pats and Colts.
and theres your boy on Todd Mcshays list:
1. Sam Bradford*, Oklahoma
2. Mark Sanchez*, USC
3. Matthew Stafford*, Georgia
4. Nate Davis*, Ball State
5. Josh Freeman*, Kansas State
JP Losman and Others,
You are saying that Mangini, will be a good coach in this league, one day. I would like to know what he has done as a coach, to make you feel this way. Give me your list of his attributes, without talking about the teams’ record.
In 2006, Mangini took over a good team and, although we made the playoffs, we underachieved. In 2007, his personnel wasn’t as good but, his coaching made us look like absolute garbage. This past season, with a stacked line-up, he coached us out of the playoffs and into one of the worst collapeses in our history. As a result, he was fired in short order, which I believe was the right move. His defenses were soft and rarely took over a game. His offenses underachieved. His teams had no personality. Favre was ugly but, the formations and play-calling did nothing to help him and, in many instances, almost got him killed.
Bottom line — Good Luck, Cleveland.
Harvlis in what way was the 2006 Jets a good team? The 2005 team was horrible. We won in 2006 the same way the Dolphins did this year a weak schedule and everyone worked hard. In 07 our defense greatly improved after the bye. We had no viable QB, RB, or o line, yet still beat Pittsburgh.
I dont get all the love for mangini, he was TERRIBLE here. Why are we automatically assuming hes ht next belichik, if it happens then ok, but it hasnt. IMO, we need to get either ryan or billick. I dont care if baltimore didnt score a single point with billick, the point is he took them to a super bowl and you have to be a good coach to do that.
Harvlis,
Mangini did not take on a good team in 2006, they were 4-12 in 2005.
When you hire a 34 yo to be your HC you have to expect some growing pains, and some learning on the job,its only natural. I think this year Mangini was put in an impossible position with having BF shoved down his throat. Did he handle things perfectly? No, far from it, but as I’ve said in other posts, I think maybe only three coaches in the entire NFL could have handled having Favre come to them under the same conditions, and they are Parcells, Holmgrem and Shannahan. Those three have the star power and universal respect to deal with Favre. Not a first time HC who is two years younger then the HoF, Living legend QB.
Woody Johnson should have realized this when he contimplated bringing in Favre and definetly when he contimplated firing him.
Green Guy,
In 2006, we had a good O-Line that came together as the season progressed. Chad, behind a good line is winning QB, as seen with the Dolphins. They were good enough to beat NE at NE in November. Our defense, while not spectacular was solid. Our special teams were outstanding, with Justin Miller leading the way. Once again, due to the coaching, the team had no personality. You can’t bring up the 2005 team, when talking about 2006. Each team is different.
I agree, the schedule in 2006 was easy. We lost to the better teams that we played. The schedule was even easier in 2008. The difference is that, in 2008 we had much better personnel. By all rights, we should have gone deep into the playoffs, this year. The only reason we didn’t is coaching. Period.
We had more west coast games this year and lost all of them. San Francisco had gotten better with eth coaching change and there is no excuse for losing to the Raiders. The games at the end of the season had worse coaching (Seattle especially), while Favre played horrible against the Raiders except when he forced over time.
Our defense over achieved in 06, because of all the shifting motion at the line. Justin Miller was great that year, but he has shown nothing since.
I disagree that the team had no personality. Offense ran a no huddle shifting offense and the defenses continued movement compensated for the pieces our defense was missing and kept good teams off guard. My complaint about this year is that all of that was lost.