Dewayne Robertson Nets Nothing for Jets
Not surprising, but the Dewayne Robertson trade netted the Jets nothing but cap room.
The Broncos will not send a draft pick to the New York Jets after defensive tackle Dewayne Robertson played in roughly 50 percent of the defensive snaps last season, well below the 65 percent threshold that would have triggered a trade.
We knew this was going to be the case when the Jets traded him in the first place. Robertson had nagging knee concerns, was slated to be paid a huge bonus if he stayed with the Jets and the team had no spot for him with Kris Jenkins arrival. This doesn’t really bother me, but it will send me into a fit if the Jets swing back again to the 4-3 for another coach and have to go through the whole process again.
The “trade” was better than letting him go for nothing, I guess.
Oh right …
Bassett, isn’t Jenkins also a dominant 4-3 DL?
Anyway, Robertson showed some flashes, but he wasn’t a great player in the 4-3.
PLZ
I would give up a draft pick to give up this guy
Reminds me of that old Billy Preston song: “Nothing from nothing leaves you nothing.”
The cap room turned into somebody though, right? Pace, Woody or Faneca?
basset, you wont be the only one throwing a fit if we go back into the 4-3
Yet another example of a coaching change leading to a wasted draft pick, we traded TWO 1st round picks to move to #4 overall for this chump and as a result of bringing a coach that rana system he wasn’t suited to we end up getting nothing in return for him.
Those who do not learn from history are doomed to repeat it. If Mr. T really values the roster he has built here he should take this into consideration when selecting the next head coach.
i for one, will be livid…it’ll just mean more years of a defense with no identity.Bad down the stretch or not, our front seven this past season has looked its best than i can say for years…if we even fathom going back to the 4-3 this year because we hire anyone not named rex ryan, look for more turmoil for seasons to come.
sec108, you hit it right on the head…….i for one wouldnt put it past tanni to hire the colts d coordinator the guy from arizona, thats where tanni’s football intellect falls short sometimes
STICK WITH THE 3-4 DEFENSE, WE ARE BEGGING YOU!
that, would be trade should have included the fact of Denver resigning him.I’d take him back here for a cheap price.He owes us a discount for all that $ he got doing much of nothing.Not even Gholston got that much.if for some reason we do go back to a 4-3,Robertson would go great with Jenkins.Put pace on the line,you would have Harris and Gholston at LB leaving us to draft an LB which we need anyways.bottum line ,changing to a 4-3 will not be so hard on us this time around.
Zartan
Your putting a lot of faith in a linebacker(Gholston) who did absolutley nothing last year. I understand where you are trying to go with your statement, but the fact of the matter is, if we go back to the 4-3, count on it taking at least a year or two for the players to adjust. With our personel we need stay in the 3-4 and work on drafting a “solid” corner or safety, then a linebacker. Lets face it, besides Revis, there is nobody back there we can trust. And yes, I am calling out Kerry Rhodes.
he was garbage from the get go a bum
jay has it right. zartan and section 108 have revisionist history of d-rob. he was a bust from day 1 and never lived up to expectations even under harm’s 4-3. he was a waste in any system because he’s not now, nor has he ever been, an above average pro football player.
in fairness to zartan, though, changing from a 3-4 to a 4-3 is easier than the other way around. that is because it is easier to pick up smaller lineman and lb’s. at any given moment there are only 10 or so good 350 pound, quick 3-4 NT’s, for example, but there are always lots of good quick 300 pound guys to play DT in a 4-3. same with DE’s.
the most significant thing about d-rob, though, is the poor talent evaluation that goes on with high draft picks. over and over we pick the wrong guy. d-rob, d-bust, ghostman . . . perhaps we need some new talent evaluators for early picks. (bradway was and still is decent with late round talent, and i beleive that he is still basically in charge of scouting.)
i wonder if spags could/would coach a 3-4 defense, as they say nolan can do.
i just have a hard time imagining that tanny would sign up for another painful transition back to the 4-3, thereby tossing overboard some of his most recent and expensive acquisitions.
Switching to the 4-3 would be stupid. Pace was ineffective until he shifted to OLB in a 3-4 and he has a huge contract, Vilma was a superstar and the Jets shipped him off when the 3 lineman couldn’t pick up enough OL to let Vilma make plays like he did before.
it’s not throwing a fit if we go back to the 4-3 just for the scheme’s sake
… i don’t care what defense we run …
i just HATE RUNNING THE “RIGHT” PERSONNEL IN AND OUT OF THIS TEAM EVERY THREE YEARS, ONCE WE GET A QUASI “FUNCTIONAL” SYSTEM IN PLACE !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
phew … there i said it … i feel better now. :)
In defense of D-Rob, he is a classic RDT who needs a massive LDT to be effective. He does have 2 “AFC Defensive Player of the Week” awards, so he had talent. The Jets never paired him with the right DT and he was not an NT (although he had flashes of success). More than anything, his “bone on bone” knee condition has hampered his career. He was a disappointment, but he was never as bad as Jets fans made him out to be…he just wasn’t worth moviing up to get.
Count me among the crowd that thinks switching to the 4-3 would be ridiculous. The Jets just don’t have the right OLBs or RDE to play the 4-3 and Pace, as noted, would be completely wasted.
SackDance99,
The correct lyric is “nothing from nothing leaves nothing, you gotta have something if you want to be with me.”
That is one of my favorite songs, big props for giving billy some love. RIP Billy Preston!r
Not only would Pace be wasted, but switching back to the 4-3 would seriously undermine the effectiveness of Harris as well.
Robertson was a bust, regardless of how we aligned our front 7. He also took up A LOT of cap space. The Jets would have released him anyway if they couldn’t make a trade. The trade that would make me tear my hair out if we switch back to the 4-3 is Jonathan Vilma for what turned out to be a 3rd rounder.
It was worth it to get rid of him for the cap room. I don’t care what defense we play as long as our coach can make it work. Why don’t we let him decide.
I think we could transition to a 4-3 without to much heartburn. Gholston would play DE in the 4-3. Pace would be a better candidate for OLB in a 4-3, he’s rangy and not a liability in pass coverage. Jonathan Vilma is a UFA so maybe we could get him back to play OLB ala Derrick Brooks or MLB and move David Harris to the Browns for there 2nd round pick. Then we have #17, (2) 2nd rd picks and cap money from Favre/Barton/Barrett to find a DT, S, CB, WR. If we can complete a dream and sign someone like Haynesworth we run the ball and play defense.
Pace played in the 4-3 when he first came to Arizona, and he stunk it up big time. It wasn’t until they switched to the 3-4 that he amounted to anything. Same story with Bryan Thomas. We would have to trade or release both those guys, they’ve proven they can’t play in a 4-3.
David Harris seems to have the skill set for the 3-4, but he hasn’t played in a 4-3 in the pros, so we don’t really know. If we could get a 2nd round pick for him though, I agree, that would probably be a wise move.
Harris played a 4-3 in college. I know college is different than THE NATIONAL FOOTBALL LEAGUE but he could handle it. He was the signal caller in the 4-3 his final year at Michigan. If anything, having an extra lineman in front to take up blockers could make him even scarier regarding being able to nail RBs and join the pass rush.
Giles good point about Harris. He would be great in a 4-3. Again, let’s see who we hire as HC, and what defense the DC will run. I’m pretty confident Ryan is our guy, so in that case the point is moot. I just hope Callahan stays with the team. Would also like to see Jags as our QB coach.
huh?
why in the world would some of you even consider life back in a 4-3 defense. and for those who say “it doesnt matter” or “you dont care”…are all clueless. if you have to give mangini credit for something, at least give him credit for helping the jets adopt a more effective and dangerous 3-4 system, while we were able to get the right personel to make it work last offseason. the most feared defenses in the league work in a 3-4 defense, and are very confusing and difficult to prep for compared to the generic 4-3(i feel like a broken record).
i couldnt care less if spags made a generic and predictable 4-3 defense look somewhat sexy the past two seasons, we are NOT the giants, and what works for them doesnt necessarily work for us and perhaps the other 20 something other teams that use the 4-3. And considering the personnel on our team, we would get BURNT terribly on defense through screens and the flats. the front seven have looked decent for the most part of last season, why mess that up, and look for forward to re-establishing, re-adapting, and re-grouping for the next couple of seasons when you have something good in front of you? i see some of us are contnent or just lookk forward to the coaching, personnel, and player changes every 2 years…smh.
p.s
if the jets dont hire rex ryan, i am really going to be disheartened bybthis teams management and urge to motivate and win. i kno i repeatedly endorse the guy and i have always given multilple reasons why, i honestly feel he is the ONLY guy out there who can fuel these guys and put them in the best positions to be eefective. ryan has been doing this for WAAY to long and is in a family line that knows nuthing but hard nosed football and believe in nothing but “in your face” intimidating defense, ecspecially his father who last helped lead us to the promise land.
Good lord, 3-4 or 4-3 Robertson sucked. Look at the Broncos defense. He was terrible there too. Somehow if the Jets converted into the 4-3, he’d be magically good?
Ridinmywave, there are plenty of great defensive teams that use a 4 man front, besides the Giants, there’s the Ravens, Eagles, TItans, Steelers, Bears, Vikings, Redskins, Panthers, Buccaneers, and I’m sure there are others I’m forgetting. How many teams have had success with the 3-4, really? The Patriots come to mind, but that’s about it. It seems like quite a stretch to say the most feared defenses in the NFL use the 3-4.
Correction: The Steelers do use the 3-4. I thought Tomlin had switched them to the 4-3, but apparently I was mistaken
OK, more importantly, while Ravens with Rex Ryan run a 46, I’m reading that they often use only 3 linemen whereas the 4th “lineman” is more of a 3-4 DE/LB flex guy. If I’m understanding it correctly, it seems like it might fit our personnel. Can anyone give me some more info on this?
Steve, BAL’s base defense is a 3-4 with Suggs and J Johnson at OLB. Suggs puts his hand on the ground a lot, but he drops into coverage a fair amount as well in BAL’s zone blitzes.
Considering that San Diego also plays a 3-4, that’s 3 of the 4 remaining AFC teams playing the 34. It’s not a stretch at all to say the 3-4’s alive and well.
steve,you can go down the list of nfl teams that use 4-3…..as a matter of fact all the way down to the detroit lions for all i care. i was talkin about “premier” defenses, that actually night in night out, hold teams down. NONE of the teams you stated do that except for maybe the titans, who have haynesworth to thank, not blitzing schemes. the vikings’ run defense is good too, but rely on their two beastly DT’s.
as i said before pobably 70% of the league uses the 4-3 and the teams that stand out in the 4-3 have AT LEAST two monsters on their front 4….either some freakishly fast and nimble person of the edges or some beasts clogging the middle, but for the most part, to be a respected 4-3 defense and stand out from the rest you need BOTH!…which the jets do not have.
the ravens do run a complex defense but a are primarily set in a 3-4 defense as well as the steelers, patriots, sandiego (last year they were a beast when merriman was playin, lol), cowboys, and the dolphins just recently made the transition this year(and looked what happened with them).
it doesnt matter how amny people are playing the 4-3, if anything themore the better, so when they actauly do face a 3-4 team (like the jets) its creates match up problems and makes it harder to read blitzing schemes. ive heard of many quarterbacks(ecsoecially peyton manning) talk of how its different and slightly more difficult facing 3-4 schemes.
and to further my point in my supprt for rex ryan as well as probably 80% of jets nation is that that when it comes to drawinf up blitzing schemes fitted for the payers and personnel on our team and the 3-4 defense we are built for, there is NO ONE in the business who is better, who has learned more or has been doing it for as long and as effective as rex ryan has. thats why this coaching search should really be a no brainer, and just ask the man how soon he is trying to sign on the dotted line.
but to sum it all up, using the 4-3 will cause us to rely more on 1 on 1 matchups which is NOT to our benefit, the 3-4 is more effective on blitzing schemes and causing confusion on the offense, it is no coincidence that 3-4 teams have remained the MOST competitive in the league and have caused the most problems on defense…ofcourse when utilized properly
I think the Bucs, Bears, Eagles, Giants and Titans all qualify as “elite” defenses, and are tougher right now on defense than the Patriots, Dolphins or Cowboys. I’ll give you San Diego and Pittsburgh, though, and NE and Dallas have made it work in the past, so I guess you can field an elite defense with either front.
One thing I know for sure about Rex’s defense is that it’s a variation of the 46 defense his father invented for the Bears, and I believe his father used 4 linemen, but I guess either I was wrong about that or he changed it. Anyway, if Calvin Pace can play Suggs’ hybrid position as pound4pound described, that would spare us a very expensive mistake. Besides, the man is more important than the scheme, so… all that said, I agree with you, Rex seems to be the right man for the job.
here’s something else to consider, had we not traded away 2 picks that year to move up we could’ve had Kevin Williams of the Vikes who turned out to be the perfect 3 technique DT we coveted.
That’s almost as bad as taking brian “i”ll never beat a OT” Thomas, a few picks ahead of ED REED.
jeez
Count me in with Sack as one that thinks he wasn’t as bad as many fans thought. They had to get rid of him for financial (and scheme reasons) and the knee issues meant he couldn’t command any tangible return.
They are better off with Jenkins, as long as he can stay healthy (which is no guarantee).
green dream please dont remind me, lol
or lets date aall the way back to when we passed over warren sapp for kyle brady, hahahaha…i cant wait to see how they screw up this draft
if we go back to the 4-3, I’ll gauge my eyes out