Comments on: Dewayne Robertson Nets Nothing for Jets http://www.thejetsblog.com/2009/01/08/dewayne-robertson-nets-nothing-for-jets/ Ranting and Raving about the Gang Green Sat, 21 Nov 2009 06:57:22 -0500 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.6 hourly 1 By: Ken http://www.thejetsblog.com/2009/01/08/dewayne-robertson-nets-nothing-for-jets/comment-page-1/#comment-122583 Ken Fri, 09 Jan 2009 15:10:43 +0000 http://www.thejetsblog.com/2009/01/08/dewayne-robertson-nets-nothing-for-jets/#comment-122583 if we go back to the 4-3, I'll gauge my eyes out if we go back to the 4-3, I’ll gauge my eyes out

]]> By: ridinmywave http://www.thejetsblog.com/2009/01/08/dewayne-robertson-nets-nothing-for-jets/comment-page-1/#comment-122567 ridinmywave Fri, 09 Jan 2009 14:45:52 +0000 http://www.thejetsblog.com/2009/01/08/dewayne-robertson-nets-nothing-for-jets/#comment-122567 green dream please dont remind me, lol or lets date aall the way back to when we passed over warren sapp for kyle brady, hahahaha...i cant wait to see how they screw up this draft green dream please dont remind me, lol

or lets date aall the way back to when we passed over warren sapp for kyle brady, hahahaha…i cant wait to see how they screw up this draft

]]> By: Bent http://www.thejetsblog.com/2009/01/08/dewayne-robertson-nets-nothing-for-jets/comment-page-1/#comment-122547 Bent Fri, 09 Jan 2009 13:14:35 +0000 http://www.thejetsblog.com/2009/01/08/dewayne-robertson-nets-nothing-for-jets/#comment-122547 Count me in with Sack as one that thinks he wasn't as bad as many fans thought. They had to get rid of him for financial (and scheme reasons) and the knee issues meant he couldn't command any tangible return. They are better off with Jenkins, as long as he can stay healthy (which is no guarantee). Count me in with Sack as one that thinks he wasn’t as bad as many fans thought. They had to get rid of him for financial (and scheme reasons) and the knee issues meant he couldn’t command any tangible return.

They are better off with Jenkins, as long as he can stay healthy (which is no guarantee).

]]> By: Green dream http://www.thejetsblog.com/2009/01/08/dewayne-robertson-nets-nothing-for-jets/comment-page-1/#comment-122520 Green dream Fri, 09 Jan 2009 06:17:09 +0000 http://www.thejetsblog.com/2009/01/08/dewayne-robertson-nets-nothing-for-jets/#comment-122520 here's something else to consider, had we not traded away 2 picks that year to move up we could've had Kevin Williams of the Vikes who turned out to be the perfect 3 technique DT we coveted. That's almost as bad as taking brian "i"ll never beat a OT" Thomas, a few picks ahead of ED REED. jeez here’s something else to consider, had we not traded away 2 picks that year to move up we could’ve had Kevin Williams of the Vikes who turned out to be the perfect 3 technique DT we coveted.

That’s almost as bad as taking brian “i”ll never beat a OT” Thomas, a few picks ahead of ED REED.

jeez

]]> By: Steve http://www.thejetsblog.com/2009/01/08/dewayne-robertson-nets-nothing-for-jets/comment-page-1/#comment-122514 Steve Fri, 09 Jan 2009 05:28:19 +0000 http://www.thejetsblog.com/2009/01/08/dewayne-robertson-nets-nothing-for-jets/#comment-122514 I think the Bucs, Bears, Eagles, Giants and Titans all qualify as "elite" defenses, and are tougher right now on defense than the Patriots, Dolphins or Cowboys. I'll give you San Diego and Pittsburgh, though, and NE and Dallas have made it work in the past, so I guess you can field an elite defense with either front. One thing I know for sure about Rex's defense is that it's a variation of the 46 defense his father invented for the Bears, and I believe his father used 4 linemen, but I guess either I was wrong about that or he changed it. Anyway, if Calvin Pace can play Suggs' hybrid position as pound4pound described, that would spare us a very expensive mistake. Besides, the man is more important than the scheme, so... all that said, I agree with you, Rex seems to be the right man for the job. I think the Bucs, Bears, Eagles, Giants and Titans all qualify as “elite” defenses, and are tougher right now on defense than the Patriots, Dolphins or Cowboys. I’ll give you San Diego and Pittsburgh, though, and NE and Dallas have made it work in the past, so I guess you can field an elite defense with either front.

One thing I know for sure about Rex’s defense is that it’s a variation of the 46 defense his father invented for the Bears, and I believe his father used 4 linemen, but I guess either I was wrong about that or he changed it. Anyway, if Calvin Pace can play Suggs’ hybrid position as pound4pound described, that would spare us a very expensive mistake. Besides, the man is more important than the scheme, so… all that said, I agree with you, Rex seems to be the right man for the job.

]]> By: ridinmywave http://www.thejetsblog.com/2009/01/08/dewayne-robertson-nets-nothing-for-jets/comment-page-1/#comment-122508 ridinmywave Fri, 09 Jan 2009 04:51:49 +0000 http://www.thejetsblog.com/2009/01/08/dewayne-robertson-nets-nothing-for-jets/#comment-122508 steve,you can go down the list of nfl teams that use 4-3.....as a matter of fact all the way down to the detroit lions for all i care. i was talkin about "premier" defenses, that actually night in night out, hold teams down. NONE of the teams you stated do that except for maybe the titans, who have haynesworth to thank, not blitzing schemes. the vikings' run defense is good too, but rely on their two beastly DT's. as i said before pobably 70% of the league uses the 4-3 and the teams that stand out in the 4-3 have AT LEAST two monsters on their front 4....either some freakishly fast and nimble person of the edges or some beasts clogging the middle, but for the most part, to be a respected 4-3 defense and stand out from the rest you need BOTH!...which the jets do not have. the ravens do run a complex defense but a are primarily set in a 3-4 defense as well as the steelers, patriots, sandiego (last year they were a beast when merriman was playin, lol), cowboys, and the dolphins just recently made the transition this year(and looked what happened with them). it doesnt matter how amny people are playing the 4-3, if anything themore the better, so when they actauly do face a 3-4 team (like the jets) its creates match up problems and makes it harder to read blitzing schemes. ive heard of many quarterbacks(ecsoecially peyton manning) talk of how its different and slightly more difficult facing 3-4 schemes. and to further my point in my supprt for rex ryan as well as probably 80% of jets nation is that that when it comes to drawinf up blitzing schemes fitted for the payers and personnel on our team and the 3-4 defense we are built for, there is NO ONE in the business who is better, who has learned more or has been doing it for as long and as effective as rex ryan has. thats why this coaching search should really be a no brainer, and just ask the man how soon he is trying to sign on the dotted line. but to sum it all up, using the 4-3 will cause us to rely more on 1 on 1 matchups which is NOT to our benefit, the 3-4 is more effective on blitzing schemes and causing confusion on the offense, it is no coincidence that 3-4 teams have remained the MOST competitive in the league and have caused the most problems on defense...ofcourse when utilized properly steve,you can go down the list of nfl teams that use 4-3…..as a matter of fact all the way down to the detroit lions for all i care. i was talkin about “premier” defenses, that actually night in night out, hold teams down. NONE of the teams you stated do that except for maybe the titans, who have haynesworth to thank, not blitzing schemes. the vikings’ run defense is good too, but rely on their two beastly DT’s.

as i said before pobably 70% of the league uses the 4-3 and the teams that stand out in the 4-3 have AT LEAST two monsters on their front 4….either some freakishly fast and nimble person of the edges or some beasts clogging the middle, but for the most part, to be a respected 4-3 defense and stand out from the rest you need BOTH!…which the jets do not have.

the ravens do run a complex defense but a are primarily set in a 3-4 defense as well as the steelers, patriots, sandiego (last year they were a beast when merriman was playin, lol), cowboys, and the dolphins just recently made the transition this year(and looked what happened with them).

it doesnt matter how amny people are playing the 4-3, if anything themore the better, so when they actauly do face a 3-4 team (like the jets) its creates match up problems and makes it harder to read blitzing schemes. ive heard of many quarterbacks(ecsoecially peyton manning) talk of how its different and slightly more difficult facing 3-4 schemes.

and to further my point in my supprt for rex ryan as well as probably 80% of jets nation is that that when it comes to drawinf up blitzing schemes fitted for the payers and personnel on our team and the 3-4 defense we are built for, there is NO ONE in the business who is better, who has learned more or has been doing it for as long and as effective as rex ryan has. thats why this coaching search should really be a no brainer, and just ask the man how soon he is trying to sign on the dotted line.

but to sum it all up, using the 4-3 will cause us to rely more on 1 on 1 matchups which is NOT to our benefit, the 3-4 is more effective on blitzing schemes and causing confusion on the offense, it is no coincidence that 3-4 teams have remained the MOST competitive in the league and have caused the most problems on defense…ofcourse when utilized properly

]]> By: pound4pound http://www.thejetsblog.com/2009/01/08/dewayne-robertson-nets-nothing-for-jets/comment-page-1/#comment-122504 pound4pound Fri, 09 Jan 2009 04:26:43 +0000 http://www.thejetsblog.com/2009/01/08/dewayne-robertson-nets-nothing-for-jets/#comment-122504 Steve, BAL's base defense is a 3-4 with Suggs and J Johnson at OLB. Suggs puts his hand on the ground a lot, but he drops into coverage a fair amount as well in BAL's zone blitzes. Considering that San Diego also plays a 3-4, that's 3 of the 4 remaining AFC teams playing the 34. It's not a stretch at all to say the 3-4's alive and well. Steve, BAL’s base defense is a 3-4 with Suggs and J Johnson at OLB. Suggs puts his hand on the ground a lot, but he drops into coverage a fair amount as well in BAL’s zone blitzes.

Considering that San Diego also plays a 3-4, that’s 3 of the 4 remaining AFC teams playing the 34. It’s not a stretch at all to say the 3-4’s alive and well.

]]> By: Steve http://www.thejetsblog.com/2009/01/08/dewayne-robertson-nets-nothing-for-jets/comment-page-1/#comment-122493 Steve Fri, 09 Jan 2009 03:24:01 +0000 http://www.thejetsblog.com/2009/01/08/dewayne-robertson-nets-nothing-for-jets/#comment-122493 OK, more importantly, while Ravens with Rex Ryan run a 46, I'm reading that they often use only 3 linemen whereas the 4th "lineman" is more of a 3-4 DE/LB flex guy. If I'm understanding it correctly, it seems like it might fit our personnel. Can anyone give me some more info on this? OK, more importantly, while Ravens with Rex Ryan run a 46, I’m reading that they often use only 3 linemen whereas the 4th “lineman” is more of a 3-4 DE/LB flex guy. If I’m understanding it correctly, it seems like it might fit our personnel. Can anyone give me some more info on this?

]]> By: Steve http://www.thejetsblog.com/2009/01/08/dewayne-robertson-nets-nothing-for-jets/comment-page-1/#comment-122492 Steve Fri, 09 Jan 2009 03:17:19 +0000 http://www.thejetsblog.com/2009/01/08/dewayne-robertson-nets-nothing-for-jets/#comment-122492 Correction: The Steelers do use the 3-4. I thought Tomlin had switched them to the 4-3, but apparently I was mistaken Correction: The Steelers do use the 3-4. I thought Tomlin had switched them to the 4-3, but apparently I was mistaken

]]> By: Steve http://www.thejetsblog.com/2009/01/08/dewayne-robertson-nets-nothing-for-jets/comment-page-1/#comment-122488 Steve Fri, 09 Jan 2009 03:08:45 +0000 http://www.thejetsblog.com/2009/01/08/dewayne-robertson-nets-nothing-for-jets/#comment-122488 Ridinmywave, there are plenty of great defensive teams that use a 4 man front, besides the Giants, there's the Ravens, Eagles, TItans, Steelers, Bears, Vikings, Redskins, Panthers, Buccaneers, and I'm sure there are others I'm forgetting. How many teams have had success with the 3-4, really? The Patriots come to mind, but that's about it. It seems like quite a stretch to say the most feared defenses in the NFL use the 3-4. Ridinmywave, there are plenty of great defensive teams that use a 4 man front, besides the Giants, there’s the Ravens, Eagles, TItans, Steelers, Bears, Vikings, Redskins, Panthers, Buccaneers, and I’m sure there are others I’m forgetting. How many teams have had success with the 3-4, really? The Patriots come to mind, but that’s about it. It seems like quite a stretch to say the most feared defenses in the NFL use the 3-4.

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