Link: Mangini’s Press Conference
Mangini was announced in Cleveland today for the Cleveland job, and if you are familiar with his press conferences, he’s definitely sounding enthused. You can check his presser here.
The most telling quote for me? When asked about other than the team’s history, what else excited him?
“… the importance of everybody being on the same page at all times. That’s what excites me most about this opportunity.”
So was that not the case in New York? He indicates that it was a tight ship in New York … but someone still got fired. So you draw your own conclusions.
To me he seems different, more enthused. Moreso than the humdrum that usually his press conferences devolved into. Part of it clearly is first day on the job stuff, part of it is he truly venerates the team, but I do think that part of it is that he’s out from under the pall that hung over him the last month or so.
For Browns fans and players, I hope that he keeps up the enthusiasm aspect in front of the media and in front of his team. We truly believe he struggled to find his own voice in New York, so hopefully that will be a lesson taken from his time here.
I’ll admit, it took me a while to convince that Herm wasn’t right for the Jets, but all I’m saying is I don’t have the same unambiguous “don’t let the door hit you where the Good Lord split you!” attitude once Mangini was out the door.
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Mangini was just too young and inexperienced for the job. He lacked the gravitas to lead his players, and the perspective to adapt to the rapidly shifting game environment. With time he’ll improve. He’ll never be an A-level coach, though. Only a few people have that, and he ain’t one of them.
We can, of course, expect Mangini to act this way in his first press conference as the Browns HC. If he showed his true colors and personality in this presser, than what would Browns fans have to look forward to? And of course he will have more of a voice in Cleveland, they are without a GM, right?
Watching a Mangini press conference is about as exciting as a funeral, and oftentimes, felt like one…and I sure am glad that I never have to watch another one of them again.
Krista,
I’m sure you preffered Herm’s “football is like a bowl of kool aid” analogies during his press conferences.
Same here Bassett- he worked real hard and was always professional.
So just because he didnt excite you while he was on the sidelines is a good reason for him to get fired, he is not a rah-rah person, he is who he is, you cannot fault him for being himself, decision making one could argue, though perhaps.
Krista is dead on about Mangini press conferences. “It’s a process”, “we’ll see how that plays out during the week”, “We’re going to look at as well as some other areas concerning football”. I’ve said it for a long time, a head coach’s demeanor affects the team. He is not simply unemotional, he was almost robotic. And add to that there wasn’t really one assistant coach who got fired up and that equaled a flat team on the sidelines. Herm had some funny PC’s. But in the end he wasn’t a head coach either, but for different reasons.
From the list of candidates I keep hearing for our job, the only ones I’d rather have for next year than Mangini are Rex Ryan and Shanahan (if he is even a candidate). Spags would be a wash – probably higher potential to become an elite coach than Mangini, but we’d have to make personnel changes to fit his defensive philosophy.
Careful what you wish for, Woody…
Swizzle, you could live with the unemotional stuff if he had other ways to get the team fired up. Did you watch the last 5 games? The Jets were completely uninspired. And you’ve already mentioned his gameplanning and in game decisions. Belicheck is not very emotional, but he is one of the best gameplanners in history, one of the best in game adjusters in history, one of the best “game managers” in history, and one of the best at developing players in history. So his teams get fired up because he has proven to them that if they do what he says they will probably win a championship.
Look, if Willie Randolph gets a managerial job, he will appear equally envigorated at his presser, and even more so if it was a week after he got fired. Doesn’t change that he was unable to control his own team and is likely to have it happen again.
Also, credibility becomes a huge factor. Like Pete57 said, players get fired up for Bill and Bill because they have proven if you do as they say, you win. That goes for personnel as well. Mangini did not want Favre, but the catch-22 is that ownership thinks: “who the heck is this ballboy telling us how to run a team?” That’s what happened with Belichik in Cleveland with Kosar, et al. The first time HC gets the “who the heck are you?” treatment while Bill Cowher would come in here and make whatever demands he wants. Of course everyone is on the same page as Parcells — it’s his page.
Maybe your name has to be Bill?
This has to mean Kokinis is Lerner’s man, right?? If not – or if for some reason Kokinis decides he doesn’t want the gig – Lerner might have seriously screwed this up.
I met Herm. He was a very nice guy that’s easy to get along with.
Granted he was not the best of head coaches, since his play calling (throw, run, run, throw) needed an overhaul as it was so predictable. However his press conferences were enjoyable, he did instill to the team to get little to no penalties, and lastly showed his emotions on the side-lines when something went wrong.
In the end compared to Mangini, I would take Herm. Remember in the 5 seasons he ran the team the Jets had 3 playoff entries and 2 playoff wins (should have been 3). If not for Doug Brien missing those winning field goals (yep 2) then we would be speaking differently about Herm.
As for Mangini, he stunk like the Staten Island Land Fill on a hot summers day!!! Glad Woody and Mr T tossed out the trash!!
Anyway since Cowher will not come…… GO GET REX RYAN!!!!!!!!
Happy for mangina very sad he took Rex Ryan with him from the raiders i was hoping his brother would be the head coach of the jets and he would come over as the defensive coordinator
Pete57:
I totally agree. At least 2 of us are on the same page here. Just like Willie Randolph and the Mets. The players seem to play the same way their coach coaches. It’s just seemed more like they were going through the motions, and there was no excitement, enthusiasm, or sense of urgency. It was so aggravating. I don’t know if you noticed, but in the Miami game, Coach Sparano was coaching until the very last seconds of that game…he got doused in water and was still coaching, he didn’t even feel it because he was so into the game. He didn’t stand there with his hand on his hips, CHEWING HIS GUM (UGH!!!), and saying nothing. Not to mention never throwing the red flag. The difference is when you have a coach like that, it rubs off on the players, and they want to perform for you, just like Miami wanted to do for Sparano. It’s just a shame they’re out of the playoffs (just kidding, of course).
Firing Randolph didn’t stop the Mets from collapsing. They choked all on their own.
JAGG, the problem with the Mets was not firing Randolph immediately after the first collapse after 2007. The 2008 team had the same lack of urgency that permeated the 2007 team…it hungover the team like a stench. Randolph was 34-35; Manuel was 55-38. If Randolph had been fired the day after the 2007 season ended, like Mangini, maybe the Mets don’t collapse in 2008. That’s why firing Mangini immediately was the right thing to do.
You kidding me? I’m glad I’m a Yankees fan. You’re dellusional. It is a kids game. They choked. It wasn’t Randolph’s fault in 08. Whatever helps you sleep at night tho.
That is like blaming a teacher, because your (Not targeting anyone. I don’t mess with kids) kid is doing poorly in school. Maybe if they did their homework or studied they would do better.
Glad he is gone, just wish he was a coordinator instead of a HC. They interview HC’s quite often, DC and OC not so much. Don’t want to see this dork anymore.
JAGG, terrible analogy. Companies change CEOs all the time and often times a better CEO turns the company around. Same with any leader of any organization. Randolph was a terrible leader…he could not respond to adversity and lost the respect of players in the clubhouse. And, if you’re saying he had no impact on the ‘08 season, then why was Manuel, without Wagner or a healthy Ryan Church so much more successful? I just don’t think you understand anything about the importance of a manager or coach in professional sports. Remember when the Jets went from Kotite to Parcells? It made a difference, right? No wonder you like Mangini so much, you think the HC is irrelevant.
As for the Yankees, correct if I’m wrong, but didn’t they collapse, too? Wasn’t their 3rd place finish their worst showing since 1992? If you think the Yanks are better than the Mets…well, whatever makes you sleep thru the night. Enjoy the Girardi era…lolololol!!!!!!!
Big Mistake firing this guy. We will not be able to find a better coach this offseason unless Rex Ryan or Bill Cowher take the job which I will assume is not happening.Mangini is a very good coach and just needed another year to get the system going.
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