News: Favre Comments on Issues
If there was one reporter that Peter King begrudges due to their relationship with Brett Favre, it’s probably Al Jones. Jones is a sports reporter for the Biloxi Sun Herald and Al and Brett have known each other for a long time. Jones was one of the reporters with the most consistent access last offseason during the whole drama. Once again, Mr. Jones talked to Brett and got his answers to some of the questions that have risen over the last week.
On Thomas Jones …
”As for as Thomas, I have not seen the comments. To be honest, I am not worried about the comments, either. Was Thomas backed into a corner or in a bad mood when he said those things? I don’t know but ripping Thomas is not my nature. The bottom line is I didn’t play well in the final five games. It starts with me and it should. I am not ripping Thomas because that is not my nature. My expectations of myself are high and the only one that I let down was myself.”
On an anonymous teammate calling him “distant.”
(Al Jones attributed the quotes to Thomas Jones falsely)
“I am not going to let one or two guys ruin a career for me or the relationship I had with my teammates. If you poll my past teammates, I bet 90 percent would say they enjoyed playing with me. I am not so insecure as to let the comments bother me.”
On giving New York a try and regrets for the end of the season …
“I wished I had played better in the last five games. I knew what I was up against when I got to New York. When I got traded, I thought it was worth a try. I gave it my all. It just didn’t work out.”
On retiring …
“I feel the same way as last year I will take some time and make my decision. I do know that I enjoy being at home.”
Hmm … well if Thomas Jones didn’t touch base with Favre, I wonder if he will now. Favre also told the reporter Al Jones that his torn bicep tendon won’t require surgery, or at least he’s not going to get surgery on it this offseason.
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Brett Favre=Class Act!!!
On criticisms of his league leading 22 interceptions…
“yeah, I consistently make terrible decisions with the football. It’s amazing anyone in management or the fanbase wants me back. Thank god I’m a brand name”
Oh finally some Favre news, that’s a relief. When I didn’t hear his name for a whole day I was afraid something had happened.
Seriously though, can we leave the man alone already? It seems a little hypocritical for the press to criticize him for wavering on retirement when they’re the ones that keep bringing it up every 5 minutes.
Brandon, didn’t you hear? He doesn’t let a little criticism bother him.
A bunch of B.S!!!
Be honest FARVE ( YOU SCUMBAG!!!) you didn’t give it your all!!! You gave just enough to get MANGINI FIRED!!!
YOU WILL ALWAYS BE A WASHED UP HICK!!!
Hey LargeBag,
Are you still kissing his butt?!!
Shows your intelligence to believe a pill popper!!!
Oh yes!
BRETT FARVE = LOSER!!!
BRETT FARVE S-U-C-K-S!!!
Oh,no, Favre! Not again! Look out!!!!!!!
Hank/Naples
Your questioning my intelligence is humorous!!! Anyone that considers, “Arguably the greatest QB ever”, a “Loser”, is clearly a “BAFOON”!!! But don’t worry, you’re not alone!!! You will surely find many of your kind here, “Bafoons a plenty”!!! That being said!!! I Don’t think a QB could’ve played worse in the last 5 games, and he admits that whole heartedly!!! !But too completly blame Favre is absurd!!! It’s called a team sport for a reason!!! Our defense was utterly inept at getting pressure on the QB, our secondary was giving up yards at a nausiating level, our special teams, “that was so prevailent in the first half of the season”, stopped making big plays alltogether, and our gameplanning/coaching was “ASSININE” too say the least!!! Like I said, its called a team sport for a reason, but I guess you can’t see the big picture, “A common side effect of BAFFOONERY”!!!
We all have a soft spot for someone who is so open and – shucks! – honest. But it’s getting cooold in here!
you guys talk alot of trash and who the f**k is thomas jones. when you guys went on the win streak everyone was happy now everyones talking trash about brett. give me a break he had 5 bad games but look at the offensive line they all trash. let him come back with a full training camp and preseason. look at kerry collins he is old but the titans are there. thomas jones is a no body he should get traded he is good for nothing. bring back brett. GO G-MEN
Bad games or not, now here we go again with “Will he retire, will he come back?” That’s the part we the poor defenseless fans can call trash. Put a sock in it, already!
Come back or go away…..it doesn’t matter to me at this point. There’s a part of me that thinks he could do well for us. If he does retire, where do we go from there? That is what worries me most.
Brett farve is a big baby.I dont care how good he can make this team.i can’t stand his games.go out and do your job 100%.Anyone with half a brain can figure that he screwd this team.As for all the fans that say he helped us improve from last year.Before the season started i as well as most of you thought we could win 10 games and make the playoffs(before Farve came in) we went 9-7 should have been 8-8 thanks to the bills. Factor in that leon had to save two games for us(maybe #) we would be 6-10.thanks a bunch Brett!! LUV YAH ,GOODBYE!!!
hank? thin ice!
this site isn’t for name calling of other readers … go back to middle school if you want to do that.
The offensive line was sick this year, so I don’t get that point.
Thomas Jones was the AFC Pro Bowl RB, in case you never heard of him.
Favre was mediocre at best, even when the rest of the team was playing at their best. He had one good game, we all know which one that was, and that’s that.
“My expectations of myself are high and the only one that I let down was myself”? The words of a true team player?
I think we would have been just as good with Chad, but I think it’s time to move on from BOTH of them. Let’s see what the kids on the bench have, and if it’s nothing, time to draft a stud. We’re owed one by now!
it doesnt matter JETS SUCK… GO BIG BLUE
THE OFFENSIVE LINE WASNT SICK THIS YEAR YOU CRAZY. THESE GUYS DONT PLAY AS A TEAM THEY BLAME EACH OTHER FOR EVERYTHING AND THATS WHY THEY AREN’T GOING ANYWHERE NEXT SEASON. NO ONE WANTS TO COACH THIS TEAM.
You know what is absolulely amazing is how some knowbodies from nowhere who dont have a clue about anything come on this site everyday and bash FAVRE everychance they get because they hate themselve,their minimim wage jobs,and their own lives.Take a look inside yourself before you judge a guy who has played almost 2 decades in the league and has nothing to prove to you.Why would he… are you all something special???I bet not a one of you every even stepped out on to a football field ever in your life and you judge one guy who came in this preaseason NOT preaching about how great he is,or about taking the JETs to the superbowl,or even talking about the JETS making the playoffs..Brett FAVRE was brought in to HELP this team win NOT to play saviore….YOU all kill me this man has done more with his LIFE than you every will so stop being so JUDGEMENTAL when you haven’t done nothing in life to warrant an oppion…Look inside yourself,judge what the hell you do with your life and careers before casting judgement on someone else..THINK about how you would perform at your job 20 years later…Would you put 100% in everyday to please your boss and co-workers…And for all you that keep saying FAVRE sucks you must still be in the closet because if your this angry you must have thought he was good enough to lead this team to the playoffs or superbowl to still be this angry….Its amazing the things people say about others when they havent done a damn thing with their own lives…PREACH on armchair quartersbacks and fantasize about the life you always wanted but didn’t get…FAVRE’s going to the hall of fame and your going to collect social security…I dont want FAVRE back next year either.not a FAVRE groupie but enough is enough GET A LIFE AND MOVE ON….
ESPN is reporting that Mangini will name Rob Ryan as DC in Cleveland and Jets QB coach (Brian Daboll) as his OC.
I couldn’t have said it any better, GangGreen. Amen, you took the words right out of my mouth. The guy is 39 and he’s STILL better than half the QBs in the league. If he was 32 at the time of that last game against the Dolphins, he would have HUMILIATED Chad. No one escapes father time. You guys change like the shifting winds around here. Unreal.
Half the QBs in the league?
QB Rating – 81.0, good for 22 out of 32.
INTs – 22, good for dead last! By the way, this is more than such illustrious, Canton-bound names as Shaun Hill, Derek Anderson, Dan Orlovsky, and this dude named Rogers from Green Bay.
Yards – 3472, good for 11th, yet behind such names as Matt Cassell, David Garrard, that dude Rogers again, and some guy from Miami named Pennington.
I hate Brett Favre. He has been the most overrated player in the NFL for at least the last four seasons. Way too much credit when things go well (whattya know, in that Tennessee game the Jets ran the ball a ton and won huge, but of course, that’s only because Brett Favre Brett Favre Brett Favre let them because he’s such a Gunslinging Warrior Throwback), not nearly enough blame when things go bad. I tell you this: Chad Pennington never quit for the Jets, no matter how bad things got. Brett’s performance in the last Miami game should be sent to the HOF Committee to make the case why he shouldn’t be allowed in.
Favre = best chance to win next year.
Favre = better chance to win in the playoffs, at least past the first round, than favorite JETS’ son, Chad Pennington.
Favre = hated by the fan base who overvalues Chad’s abilities as a player and his capability to win playoff games.
GIles,How many qb’s u listed were even close to bringing their team to the playoffs this year and also as u like to post the negatives and stats for one game HOW’d FAVRE look against ARIZONA who is now in the playoffs…WHERE is GREENBAY this year without FAVRE sitting home watching the grass grow…AND I love the line about sending the Miama game film to the HOF committee I though HOF’ers were judged on their careers not one game….AND last time i looked up the word quit it meant to stop doing something…I could of swore I seen FAVRE on the field in Miami…
For some reason, JETS fans overvalue the talent on the team and think the JETS were a shoo-in for 10-6 last year after going on a FA spending bonanza and drafting a guy with 6th overall pick that most knowledgeable fans thought would be a loooooooooong-term project (i.e., pay no dividends this year).
In summary, I was hopeful before this season prior to the Favre trade, but I was aware how FA spending sprees have gone in the past, most notably with the Redskins and, sadly, the JETS (remember the Ronnie Lott days and how everyone got so excited when they signed the fading star?).
Don’t act as if 10-6 was a given. Quite the contrary, that would have required the JETS to win the games they won this year that Favre played a positive role in (New England, Tennessee, Arizona) and also to not have “same old JETS” games with another QB like they did in the final 5 games just to torture us loyal fans.
I think what’s most interesting is what he DIDN’T say about Chris Jenkins. You know he saw the ESPN interview and yet he didn’t comment on a veteran Pro-Bowler watching his back.
He didn’t say anything about Jenkins because if you really listen to what Jenkins said, you hear what we all know: Farve is done.
It’s rare when one of the all time greats can admit he’s done. For Montana it was easy because his body just broke down.
I think Farve will walk away. I think he’s too proud of his consecutive streak and doesn’t want it to end as an active player. It’s like s fighter retiring undefeated.
giles…..overrated in his last season in green bay??
when if it wasnt for brady’s absurd year, favre would have won mvp??
enough favre bashing already…..he sucked the last 5 games….thru 11 he was the highest rated QB in the league. (although QB rating isnt always the best measure)
waaa waaa waaaa go home favre….. we took a chance, it was THE RIGHT MOVE…. did we all see chad suck big time when he couldnt “manage the game” vs the ravens??
the guy is a class act….a pain in some ways with the retirement crap….but forget it already.
we have more impt things to worry about….like a coach.
Ganggreen- I’m not taking his side, but seriously Arizona. They have always sucked on the east coast and played horrible ball over the last 4 weeks of the season. They beat teh Falcons, because Ryan wasn’t ready for Turner to not get 80yds. Panthers should kill them.
Klecko- When he whined for a reciever (So he could throw jump balls) and proved to be a hypocrite = classy? He threw ten f’n touchdowns in 12 games and many were from Yac. Yac created by those same recievers everyone bashed to defend him.
An interview that contains 20 lines of dialogue is just him being political. When Peyton is done the only record Favre will have is the INT record. Fitting.
Giles -
Take some Midol, meditate for a while, and relax. HOFers don’t get there by accident. By the way……….do you think CP will make it to Canton? Hmmmm?
Havent posted here since the offseason but still continually check the boards whenever i get chance at work….
Not all Jets fans are either Chad lovers or Brett Lovers. Some fans actually view each QB and make an assessment on their team.
I was for getting rid of Chad and still do not regret it because we knew that Chad could never win big games in the playoffs! I thought Brett was a risk worth taking based on his career. Now after watching a full season with Brett at QB it is clear that the Jets have to move forward. Plain and simple- Brett had a bad year. And its even worse because, like most of the Brett fans say on here, hes a HOF’er and top 10 QB of all time.
Does this mean that I am insulting his career? NO- it means that I watched this season and thought he had a terrible season! How can anyone deny that? Maybe the Jets wouldnt have won the patriots game without him but I dont think you can say that about most of their wins. The arizona game? That was one of the most poorly defended games I’ve ever seen and aside from his dart TD to coles, most of the Td’s were wide open! but I’ll give him credit for that win anyway.
How many signature Brett throws did Jets fans get to see this year? about 2 or 3? His two best deep balls was the floater to Chansi and the amazing catch by Cotchery. I don’t think that Brett intentionally gave up on the Jets and let his team down, I just don’t think he was getting the job done. I’m not gonna sit here and question this guys work ethic because I dont see him everyday of his life, i am just judging his on the field performace.
Who is Thomas jones? Are you a Jets fan or a Brett fan? Thomas jones was the most consistent player on the team this year(only because leon wasnt always given a chance). Just because Brett walked in here as a HOFer doesnt meant hes more important to the Jets than TJ because I am JETS fan first- and saw the his MVP type performace this year.
WHy are we talking about Brett favre when he was 32? who cares? hes not 32 now is he? The Jets have to move forward and i think Brett for the benefit of his own career should retire.
Favre was good before his injury. Why isn’t anyone mentioning that? He had us at 8-3, first place and we just beat the best team in the AFC on the road. Then he was INJURED. We all saw that he couldn’t throw the deep ball. And it also had to affect every pass he threw. I’m not saying I want him back but c’mon, let’s look at reality. It’s ADMIRABLE that he was willing to plat injured. Mangini should have either sat him down, or at the very leaset, game planned around the injury. He did neither. The collapse ultimately falls at his door, and I’m glad that Tannenbaum and Woody saw it that way.
Hank/Naples, YOU ARE OUT OF YOUR DAMN MIND!!! Anyone that can question Favre’s character or intentions with the Jets is just outright crazy! And anyone that can blame our last 4 losses on one player is crazy! Everyone is to blame, not just Favre. Yes, he played like crap for the last 5 games, BUT SO DID THE REST OF THE TEAM! Favre is not a loser, he’s not a pill-popper…HE IS A CLASS-ACT! Because he played 5 bad games does not mean he is a loser, by any means, and deserves all the positive credit he receives.
However, this blog confuses the crap out of me…half of the people that have bashed Favre a week ago are now praising him, wanting him back. Maybe we now realize that our options are limited, and one more year with Favre would probably suit our team best. He is our best chance to win. No other QB would have would have won the Patriots game, no other QB would have won the Tennessee game. The reason our running game was so successful for most of the year is because our opponent’s defense respected Favre’s arm, which opened up our running game. So as far as I’m concerned, TJ should be thanking Favre for such a great season, not bad mouthing him. Yes, Favre lost a bit of stamina at the end of the year, but was not conditioned and missed almost the entire preseason. I AM NOT MAKING EXCUSES FOR HIM…just being realistic.
GANGREEN, I agree with you 99%, the only thing that I disagree on is that I want Favre back. He is our best chance at winning…and if Cotchery wants him back, so should we.
Giles, Overrated? STATISTICS DON’T LIE!!! And if Brett would have played even DECENT in the last 5 games, he would have had an outstanding year! However, he didn’t, and neither did the rest of our team.
He was hurt in the Raiders game. When he was given the game managers role was when they made him just throw short throws and screens. Then defenses figured that out. He still had plenty of arm. The pass that Coles dropped against Seattle might have been his best throw of the season. Plus he threw 8 TDs with 9 INTs in the stretch from Cin to Den. He started the season with a 12- 4 ratio. We all know about the last 5 games. He was great against NE and made throws Chad couldn’t (Most others could) against Ten. Otherwise I didn’t think he played all that well. How many Pic 6s?
Cotchery said if Favre will do all of the minicamps. Something he never does. a great defense made him look better in 07. Let the Fossil go.
I hope Favre retires and it seems pretty obvious he will. I think the last 5 games were a textbook example of an athlete’s prowess deserting him in the final hours of a career. There was something about that shivering, rainy night against Denver that drained the last of his mojo out of him. You could almost read it on his face.
I don’t agree with the people who think he didn’t try or didn’t care. I think, like most athletes like him, he just kept reaching back for the things that worked for him in the past but kept coming up empty. It’s rare that a knockout puncher is converted into a technician, they usually go down swinging in an ugly heap. Favre’s a natural. His success was never about studying or practice. There are always going to be people who resent that type, the guy for whom success came easily, who made it up as he went along, broke the rules. Fair enough.
New York has has its share of athletes acquired in the twilight of their careers, who didn’t deliver on the promise of past glory and it’s frustrating to watch. But we’ve sent our share out, too. I’m sure if the internet existed during Joe Namath’s final 3 interception debacle in Chicago, Rams boards would have been full of vitriol about how he was always overrated, was an interception machine, wasn’t a team player, drew too much attention to himself, etc., etc. etc. Favre’s legacy will survive the final five-game unraveling with the Jets. But if I were him, I wouldn’t push it.
I dont think its fair to give credit to TJ’s year to Favre. The revamped offensive line became a great run blocking group. For most of the season teams were lining up 8 men in the box against the Jets with their corners pressed on the receivers.
When the Jets were 8-3 it was because the defense was still playing effectively. The team ranked in the top 5 in both rushing offense and defense.
“If Favre was decent the last 5 games” he wasnt even decent in the last 5 games so why cant we admit, injury or not, he had a terrilbe season? And it really just wasn’t the last 5 games. In his last 12 games only 3 games he throw more TD’s than ints.
Bilal, the pass defense was atrocious all year. This was even during the “good times” when they were sitting pretty at 8-3. Chad lit ‘em up in the first game! Then there was San Diego, then Arizona. Ugh!
Smizzle- It is rare for a team to have a top 5 run defense and a great secondary rating. Look at Herm’s last year we were in the top 5 for pass defense, because everyone could run on us all day. When one is great the other gets hurt when they are both great you are looking at a superbowl ready defense.
Dsmizzle
I said:
“When the Jets were 8-3 it was because the defense was still playing effectively. The team ranked in the top 5 in both rushing offense and defense. ”
The pass defense was terrible all year but in the first half of the season- people abandoned the run. Once Denver(the worst game I ever saw in person for performance and weather) showed the NFL that you can run on the Jets- then the Jets defense really fell apart.
I feel your Ugh! i still have that taste in my mouth.
to add to what greenguy said:
the vikings have been ranked in the lower half the past few years in pass defense but number 1 against the run
JAGG:
If I remember correctly, what Cotchery said was this “I still feel like he has some great football left in him, he wasn’t able to spend the offseason program with the team, so I definitely think that plays a role in it. Him being able to spend the offseason with a lot of the guys, I think that would help out a lot. You don’t just learn everything about an offense or about a team in a couple of months.”
Kerry Rhodes was the one that said if he was willing to do the mini-camps, and all the other preseason jazz, then he would be welcomed.
Either way, he is welcomed back by the majority of his teammates, so what we think shouldn’t matter. If his teammates can welcome him back, than so should we!
Bilal:
With all due respect, when the Jets were 8-3, yes, we blitzed more, but the amount of yards, at least passing yards, we gave up were ASTRONOMICAL. Just look at the Arizona, KC, Pats., etc. games. I remember, specifically, the announcer during the Jets/Pats game say “the Jets are good but they can’t keep winning giving up 500 yards a game” (or something along those lines). And he was right. Yes, we only gave up 200+ yards in the Miami game, but those were all yards for TD’s, with horrible coverage, plus didn’t pressure Pennington AT ALL. We didn’t pressure him AT ALL! And we all saw what happened when the Ravens pressured him. Not to mention, at one point our rush D was ranked 3rd in the league…that also fell apart.
Bilai, while I don’t think it’s fair to give Favre all the credit for the running game’s effectiveness because Faneca and Woody were drastic improvements, Favre does force a pass defense to play more conservatively and not to play 8-men in the box regularly. I don’t think it’s a pure coincidence that Favre was the QB and the Jets had the most 40+ yard runs in their history.
Favre was, ultimately, a failed experiment. But, I don’t think many of the fans give him a break for being injured and gutting it out. And, the last 4 games of the season were complete breakdowns, Favre had his part, but so did everyone else.
Cotchery is saying the same thing in a more polite way and it wasn’t horrible coverage. That sack for a fumble mustn’t have involved any pressure.
Arizona got their yards because we went to the prevent. Same with the Pats. KC and Tyler Thigpen put up those numbers on a lot of people. Our pass defense was horrible, but the numbers were inflated. Most of Cassels yards were to Gaffney, because the coaches decided to not let Moss and Welker kill us. Other than that last TD they didn’t
Sack- Chad was gutting it out last year and you were the first to want him gone.
Sack-
I never doubted Favre’s intent with the Jets. I dont think he would come back and not gut it out. I say the same thing about Chad. I appreciate their toughness, but I don’t like their performances.
During the Titans game they played a 8 man front pretty much the entire game yet they stilll ran the ball down their throats.
Although it may not seem logical big TD runs are usually broken on 8 man fronts because there is only one safety back there.
Bilal, et al:
I agree that a top-notch run defense means that the opponents’ passing numbers will be inflated.
However, that fact alone doesn’t mean that a team cannot also have a very good run defense, and an atrocious pass defense.
If the pass defense was very good but the numbers were simply inflated as a result of the quality of their run defense, I’d expect the JETS to have had more sacks and interceptions. I’d also expect more WINS!
SackDance99:
I agree, I was exaggerating (kind of) when I said that we can credit Favre for TJ’s yards, but in the big picture, he did only have 1 rushing TD last year, 13 this year (I believe), simply because no one respected Pennington and they respected Favre this year.
Dsmizzle
The whole pass vs run defense can go back and forth because its really a circular relation.
I’m not trying to say the pass defense was good because it was obviously bad! The pass rush was terrible and for some reason we always had pace covering people all the time… wasnt he brought in to rush the passer? How often does De Ware and Suggs drop back in coverage in the 3/4?
All those sacks they got in the beginning of the season was very misleading because the pressure was terrible inconsistent. Strange thing was that Jenkins pressured the QB more than anyone else on the team consistently.
Krista- No one could have doen anything behind that line last year. Our offense was horrible and Adrian Clarke would have given a sack up to Gholston.
JAGG, thats hilarious re: Gholston
touche!
I’m not sorry to see Maigini fired because he’s a great coach (he’s not), and I’m not sorry if BF doesn’t come back because he did such great things for us this season (he didn’t), I’m sorry for all this BS because “HERE WE GO AGAIN”. Another 3 years wasted, nothing was accomplished under Maigini/Tannenbaum; no playoff wins; no drafting of a franchise QB; no quality depth of players; nothing!
Now we have to start over once again and the worst part is we don’t have the people in place to get it right this time either. If anyone thinks Woody Johnson and Mike Tannenbaum have a clue their crazy. Until we get a real “Head of Football Operations” like a Ron Wolf or Bill Parcells or Ozzie Newsome nothing will change.
The Gholston line made me laugh, too. But the narrative of Pete Kendall being traded as the sole reason for the shortcomings of Chad and TJ in ‘07 just always seemed a shade flimsy to me. If that were the case you’d expect Left Guards to go in the top 5 of the draft with 50 million dollar deals.
Subway- Clement didn’t help. Either did Chad’s hurt ankle or a weak defense.
ramble914- I guess I am crazy because I think Mike does have a somewhat of a clue of whats wrong.
This offseason the Jets needed to add players so they could run the ball, stop the run, and pressure the QB.
The team successfully ran the ball behind the ravamped line and tony richardson, stopped the run for half of the season by bringing in Jenkins(even pace was pretty good against the run during that run). And picked up Pace who Sutton/Mangini decided to turn into a coverage LB? Meanwhile every other 3/4 weakside LB primarly rushes the passer.
You can knock Mike T for Gholston but I dont remember anyone here or on TV saying the Jets should have drafted Mayo. People wanted Mckelvin who only saw the field when green went out.
Bilal,
I don’t give Tanny the credit for the FA pickups, only for facilitating the contracts. Nor do I balme him for Gholston, because he didn’t make the slection, the scouting dept. and coaching staff did, again tanny only facilitated the negotiations and contract.
I’m sure tanny is a brilliant attorney, and cap specialaist, but he is not a football person, not in the way of Newsome, or Parcells and that is what I think we should be concentrating on right now, not a HC.
What was quite obvious, at least to me, was that our receivers did not get much if any separation from the DBs covering them. Were they slow, were the patterns obvious? I din’t know the answers but if we are going anywhere next year we need a tall fast WR plus David Clowney to play more. I would also dump Baker as he was basically invisible over the last 5 games.
ramble…
So you don’t want to give him credit because his previous title was cap specialist? You must really know the working of the Jets front office? do you work there as well? How can i even respond to such a comment that has no backing behind it?
Who do these scouts work for? Mike T? YES, so essentially all moves made by the Jets are his responsibility. Parcells was great but do you not blame him for putting the Jets in cap hell for three years??? Theres two side to every story.
You can’t just discredit moves made under his direction. We can do this about everything… heck paoli must be overrated because he had belicheck making his decisions.
My point is that Tanny is not in the same league as Parcells or Newsome.
No, I do not work for the Jets, nor do you for that matter, but I think its pretty well understood that Tanny is not a football person. It was one of the biggest critisizms when he took over from Bradway.
It just seems to me that the Jets are going about it ass backwards, as usual.
Yes it was one of the biggest complaints when he was hired… but wasn’t Bradway a football guy? I think the moves/picks the Jets have made have been alot better with Mike T than with Bradway.
I know its just a TV show but when you watch Mike T on his weekly SNY show he does have football knowledge. You are making it seem like he is just some suit who knows the cap.
Since Parcells and newsome arent available, who would you rather have the jets run by? What is so a$$ backwards about the Jets right now, they did what most franchises do when your team collapses mid season- you fire the coach. Now they are doing what most teams do, interview people. Should they rush to make a coaching decision? What is the right thing to do right now?
Edi(tor):
I agree about our WR’s and Baker. I can never forget the Raiders game, where Favre threw a PERFECT pass right to Baker, but he slipped and didn’t catch it :( …in a wide open field. Depressing. And I don’t see how LC always seemed to get open for Chad, and now all of a sudden he can’t get open. Maybe it’s his injury, maybe he’s just slower. I do know one thing though, he’s not a very big guy, and that doesn’t help him come down with the ball. I like Cotchery a lot though. Cotchery and Clowney should be our guys.
Krista:
Your selective memory is one of a convicted Farve worshiper. Let me give you only two of several facts that will demostrate why this guy was the culprit for the Jets collapse this season:
1) Thomas Jones gained more yards per carry (6.01) over the last five games than your boy Farve’s 5.7 yards pers pass attempt. HOW CAN THAT BE POSSIBLE?
2) Farve scored only one (1), that’s right, only one TD in the fourth (4th) quarter over the last three plus months of the season, that’s right thirteen (13) weeks.
I’m NOT going to mention his TD/INT ratio the last six games but i will address this “team player” fallacy with a quote from J. Glazer reporting on Farves unhappiness to adjust to the system:….” The other reason? (Farve’s) Happiness, or lack thereof. According to several people close to Favre, the legendary quarterback has not enjoyed many aspects of playing for the tough Eric Mangini. According to the sources, there are several areas that have not sat well with Favre including team meetings, quizzes and getting called on the carpet for his decision-making on the field.
DSmizzle:
Add to the abuve the fact that he never studied it and hated the playbook because “it was too big” and, also
I can quote on more than one occassion when he not knowingly called some players (not by name) in the locker room loserss by referring to him “changing the jets losing mentality ”
Some ” team player ” right
Bilal, you are right. I am obviously in the minority, but I think the team is on the right track. Tannenbaum took over as GM 3 years ago. I like the direction and talent level now much better than in 06. Tannenbaum (with Woody’s blessing) was very aggressive last year in FA and in trades. Getting Favre was considered the 2nd biggest day in Jet history, an NO ONE thought we could get him. Tannenbaum saw that Mangini was not ready to lead this team and he made the very tough decision to fire his friend, and he did it quickly. He had a short list of candidates as well as reaching out to Cowher and then Shanahan when he was fired. We don’t have a coach yet because our top candidates are in the playoffs, and ARE NOT AVAILABLE YET. Mr T is going about this the right way. Exactly opposite of Cleveland. It is bad policy to hire the head coach before the GM.
Hank, isn’t it Mangini’s fault for playing Favre when he was injured? Where’s the consideration for the injury. I seem to recall that you gave Chad a big pass last year for his play due to his injury. C’mon now, I know you don’t like Favre, but you need to be fair.
Mangini would have been killed if he ended that start streak, because you know Brett would say he could play. Plus I’ve had his injury it isn’t that bad. It sure isn’t a torn rotators cuff and he still had zip on his passes.
Jagg, the last 5 games I watched him underthrow open receivers with regularity. He could zip a short pass, but anything past 30 yards was a problem. Mangini may have been killed for benching him, but the Jets season, and his job were on the line. By the time we played Seattle he should’ve done it. If it were me, I’d want to go down doing what I thought gave me the best chance to win. What would you have done?
I would have benched him, but I also don’t have to answer to a man trying to pay PSLs who is paying him 12 million. Favre’s jersey sales crashed the websites. That made him above the law. I may love Jet green, but that isn’t teh green that makes the decisions. I watched him overthrow recievers during that same stretch of games. He was hurt, but any 18yr nfl vet would be, especially with his start streak. He has played through worse.
A friend told me yesterday “How can you get the nfl’s ironman hurt? It can only happen if you play for the jets”.
I didn’t respond to him because it was a good question but here is another question “How can you have an all-pro offensive line and manage to be sacked 30 times and get hurt in the process?”
I saw the kansas city game and the dolphin (finale) game both where favre experienced pain in his arm. Both of the them occurred after favre had thrown interceptions to the opposing team and ironically were returned for touchdowns. Ironically Thigpen and Pennington outplayed favre those two games and favre threw at least 3 interceptions. Thomas Jones and Leon Washington combined in the kansas city game had 17 carries, washington and jones both had scores on the ground and against miami they both combined for 20 carries with washington having the only score on the ground that game for the jets. Now you can say that we won against kansas city because favre delivered a fourth quarter touchdown that game (the last one of the season) but kansas city was looking from a “coming back next year, play for pride attitude” and miami was there to win the division. So this hurt the jets letting favre play his game while not using more of the players around him. Its clear that he couldn’t deliver a score when we needed him. Miami and kansas city at the time were on opposite sides of the spectrum miami was starting to build momentum after a huge win at buffalo and kansas city had suffered back to back losses to teams that scored 34 points against them (carolina and tennessee respectively).
So how could favre help the team with his play when in fact a similiar situation occurred a lit bit more than 2 months later and with much higher stakes to play for?
“My expectations of myself are high and the only one that I let down was myself.”
NO Brett. You let down your teammates, the fans, and oh yeah a certain head coach who got fired.
Pete – That bad policy you speak of didn’t hurt the Dolphins last year, did it?
I’m just saying….
No Favre- He has always gotten hurt. He had to leave a game in Dallas for the Packers last year. He is teh NFL’s Ironman because he keeps on ticking.
Just a Green Guy,
My friend asked me “how can favre get hurt if he is the nfl’s ironman?” He told me only the Jets can get him hurt enough to get surgery (we don’t know yet). My question was how can he get hurt with an all-pro offensive line that gave up 30 sacks this season and actually get him hurt enough to have to think about surgery? We all know he plays every game his record speaks for himself but how does he manage to get sacked 30 times and hurt with an offensive line who is being coached by possibly the best offensive line coach there is? Its not like he is playing with the offensive line of last year or two or even four years ago in 2004. If anything he should have all day to throw and finish the game without too much injury I would assume (with the title that he has). Maybe he searches for pain when its not there. I don’t know.
Maybe there is something more to favre that we won’t understand.
Hank/Naples:
Come on!
Are you an actual player, and your alias is Hank/Naples? Because there is no way that you can KNOW all of that stuff, because I’m pretty sure that I know just about every bit and piece of information that there is to know about Favre and the Jets, and none of that nonsense have I heard. Not to mention, Jay Glazer isn’t exactly someone I would call a reliable source.
And I am by no means knocking TJ, he is a great player. However, he did only have 23 yards rushing vs. Miami, and the only reason his avg. was 6.01 yards per carry is because he had 138 in the game vs. Denver, besides that game, he was well under 100 yards per game thereafter. Not his fault, but still, just one iota of why they all, AS A TEAM, fell apart in the end.
And please, you do not have to rehearse statistics to me, I don’t miss a game, let alone a snap. And you don’t have to state why you HATE BRETT FAVRE over and over and over again! To feel the way you feel about him, you obviously think about him way too much.
No Favre- Our pass blocking wasn’t the greatest, but believe me when I say that he put himself in some bad spots and got his butt kikced the most on those pic 6es.
Mangini should have benched Favre to save is job? Why, because benching his starter and bringing in KC worked so well for him last year?
Seanmac had some telling data in a Football Outsiders story he wrote last year about how rarely inserting a young QB midseason is effective. It usually doesn’t help the team and hurts the prospect.
The way Mangini could have saved his job was to make a decisive move at QB in ‘06, either starting his handpicked prospect, KC, and living with the growing pains that may have paid off by this year, or trading for a veteran without the injury-riddled, every other year success of the incumbent.
Bubby, they hired Parcells first, and he did all the rest. The Browns owner hired Mangini. Big difference.
Krista,
Can you can explain to me how in the last six games of the season the average yards per rush can be greater than the passing yards per attempt? I am not speaking of total yards I am talking about per play when we have called more passing plays than rushing plays?
Secondly,
Explain to me how can a hall of fame quarterback can only score one(1) fourth quarter touchdown in the last thirteen weeks?
Subway, Mangini needed to do something about Favre. 5 minutes into the Seattle game, I knew if we ran the ball every play we would win. And we would’ve. If Mangini felt Favre w/ his injury was better than Clemens, he should have made sure the offensive game plans were better. In the last five games we could’ve run the ball 40+ times a game, and thrown 15-20 short, well thought out passes, and we would’ve won 2 or 3 games, easy. However you want to view Favre, the truth is Mangini did a horrible job down the stretch, and I’m sure he would tell you that himself.
Pete57,
No pennington didn’t get the pass last year because clemens forced enough of himself to have a quarterback competition in 2008.
Pennington played with injuries to his ankle and still outperformed clemens in training camp.
You can’t give favre a pass because he is the “nfl’s ironman” so it is expected for him to play hurt. The title will always be placed on top of him.
No Favre, I think you are confused. Chad was our starter in 07. He played horribly. No doubt that much of it was attributed to our OL. But he couldn’t throw an NFL pass and everytime he tried to throw an out it was a pick 6. He had hurt his ankle in the beginning of the season and after the season many people on this blog gave his poor play a pass because of the ankle injury. None of this had anything to do with Clemens. Mangini finally pulled Chad with 7 or 8 games to go, and Chad only got back in because Clemens got hurt against NE. Then Clemens returned. THEN, the next offseason(08), Clemens and Chad had a QB battle in camp.
And, just to be clear I understand, because Favre hasn’t missed a game in his career, he is not “allowed” to get injured? I think you need to rethink that statement.
Pete57-
I didn’t get the sense that it was Favre’s injury that was the problem but that he was simply running out of steam. His INTs late in the year looked like a fighter on his last legs risking everything on the knockout. Perhaps Mangini and co. could have managed him better – McCarthy had more success a few months earlier – but it might not have mattered. Besides, sometimes the old fighter actually scores the KO in the final rounds. All in all, I think everyone accepted it was all or nothing for the whole season on #4. Mangini was already on shaky ground due to his failure to develop his own QB and probably needed the KO as much as anyone.
Hank:
No, I can not explain it to you, incompletions would be the obvious answer…under thrown passes, over thrown passes, and HUGE DROPPED PASSES…not including the fact that WE SUCKED ALL TOGETHER AS A TEAM!
I do agree that we were not productive in the last 5 games…what I DON’T agree with you about is how you are criticizing Brett Favre’s entire career based on his last 5 games, when we clearly lost based on how OUR ENTIRE TEAM PLAYED…and our coaches didn’t help, of course.
Oh right, Favre was “injured” in his last 5 games, but miraculously his “injury” requires no surgery.
Quite a coincidence!
I hope Favre comes back for 2009, but then again, I hate the Jets.
Eagles GM Tom Heckert just pulled himself out of consideration for the Brown’s GM position. He obviously didn’t want Mangini as coach. That is why you hire the GM first. The Jets are going about their search the right way.
FavreSux:
Not every possible injury requires surgery.
Krista, I don’t know if you followed this blog early in 08, but every Chad supporter said his problems last year were due in large part to his ankle injury. And I have to say this year they were proven right. He threw the ball much better than last year. And, by the way, his ankle didn’t require any surgery. It just needed to heal. I don’t know what some of these fans were watching the last 5 games, but it was clear Favre’s arm was no where near 100%. But there was never a mention of an injury until later. I knew he was injured, and i was right. I don’t know if i want him back, but give the guy a break already.
Pete- If you can watch the Miami game over again. He threw the ball better than he had all season. You are using an excuse. An excuse that Favre used to not face the fact that he sucked. Chad’s injury stopped him from being able to plant and get any zip on his passes (I was neutral in the competition). Favre still had zip and could still go deep. Watch the games he had full throwing ability.
Jagg, I did watch the games, and he wasn’t the same player the last 5 games or so. We can agree to disagree on that point. I’m not the Favre supporter you think I am though. When we were 8-3, I felt Favre had not played up to expectations, but it appeared the coaching staff had figured things out, and knew how to use him with our running game. That turned out to not be true. I am not supporting Favre as much as I am putting the responsibility on the coaching staff.
They had figured out to use him. What they didn’t figure out was how to adapt after opposing teams figured them out. he played a lousy last 12 games. Favre couldn’t throw jump ball after jump ball like he did most of his career and they blew it. Good coaching or bad coaching Brett sucked. That 12 million dollars could have been a lot better spent.
I agree he was bad to end the year, but he was a better option than Pennington, as evidenced by the Balt game. Chad has a very tough time against good teams. Well it wasn’t exactly $12mil because we cut Penny’s salary, and after the offseason Tanny had last year, who else should he have signed for 08′? He went and got every possible player he could. So, the only downside to Favre’s pay was that Woody had to pay it.
Screw Chad. I love the guy, but we should have seen what Clemens or Ratliff could do. Now we still don’t know, don’t have a coach and are considering Schott. It was 12 million for Favre we cut Chad to get under the cap.
I was refering to feeding the poor and such. Since that wont happen maybe they could have used the 12 million to lower the cost of beer.
There’s a whole lot of revisionist thinking on this blog about Chad. Very few people gave Chad a break in the off-season for being injured in 2007. In fact, if TJB had a poll, Clemens would have been the favorite to start this season by an overwhelming majority. Even when it became clear in training camp that Chad won the competition, I would still say that the majority of posts were negative about Chad. I should know because I was consistently in favor of Chad over KC, who I’m not sure is a bona fide NFL QB. I made the argument over and over again that all the Jets needed was Chad circa 2006, which is what Miami got this season.
I was an early and consistent supporter of the idea of getting Favre and, again, I’d say that the posts were mostly negative about getting Favre. BUT, it wasn’t that Chad was the favored alternative. Of course, after Chad was released, everyone started to lament his exit. Bottom line: the average fan on this blog was tired of Chad and wanted a change. Now, we’ll get change for sure because I don’t think Favre is coming back and, again, I’m real skeptical that KC should be the 2009 starter.
Pete:
I am very new to this blog. I only discovered it once I was looking for a blog to relieve some of my anger!!! I agree that Chad’s’s injury didn’t’ HELP the way he was playing, but it definitely wasn’t the nail in his coffin. Even when we released Chad he wasn’t named teh starter. He was still battling it out with KC. Regardless, he has no arm. I do think that a shoulder bicep injury and an ankle injury should not be equal. Again, not making excuses.
JAGG:
Favre did have zip on short passes, but pain could definitely take a toll on accuracy.
And for the record, I am glad Chad is not our QB and glad that Mangini is not our HC. I truly believe we are headed in the right direction.
I think that all the QB’s should have a shot at starting, just not Ainge. Ainge should be cut like an hour after we, ugh, drafted him. In April when we drafted Gholston, I told my wife the only way this draft could be worse is if we draft Ainge. I say we get a veteran QB, bid Brett adeu and be glad Chad is gone and find the starter for the future. We do have a great core. Coles should be dealt to give the other WR’s a chance.
->However, this blog confuses the crap out of me…half of the people that have bashed Favre a week ago are now praising him, wanting him back.
That’s just normal for the Jets fans from what I can tell. Run Pennington out of town, then want him back. Run Mangini out of town, then want him back. They’re in the process of running Favre out of town now, and will want him back after they have another one of their more typical, i.e. losing, seasons too.
Pete 57;
Just two observations regarding your main points;
Comparing the injuries to Farve and Pennintong is not fair. Pennigton was benched for the rest of the season. Farve and his streak would not allow to be benched by Mangini. Pennington loss to the Ravens was due to about 2.5 seconds he was given by his front line to throw ALL game and even then Pennington threw for a TD with a Zero running game.
Krista:
I can not believe that I’m seeing what you are saying:……..”And for the record, I am glad Chad is not our QB and glad that Mangini is not our HC. I truly believe we are headed in the right direction.”
And what direction is that, may I ask?
No Favre:
I mean, it is pretty obvious that Chad Pennington was not going to win us a Superbowl and neither was Eric Mangini. Why is me thinking that so unbelievable???
Krista:
oh, I see, You mean any direction is a better direction as long as it’s without Chad and Eric, right?
Well i believe you have hit upon the exact problem with the jets the last forty years. Change for the sake of change has been our mantra demanded by our “loyal” fans in a ‘New York Minute” whenever things don’t go their way. The lack of continuity, direction, or vision in sports is deadly. I think New Yorkers ( and I still consider myself one even from florida)
Continued……..I think New Yorkers have benn afflicted with this impairment since birth.
`I don’t hate farve, I hate the whole deal AND THE PEOPLE THAT BROUGHT HIM HERE which destroyed our promising team for atleast two years.
Sack is right – I was one of the ones who kept saying Chad was clearly hurt and it was affecting his performance, but I felt like I was on an island.
Krista- He still could throw the long ball. He has been playing through pain his entire career. BS
As for the right direction I think turnover every 3-4 years leads to nothing. Look around the league it shows. We are getting older and have nothing to show for it and maybe a change of defensive system. Woody Johnson is an idiot driven by cash. Instant graification doesn’t happen. Coughlin was getting booed out of the city before he turned it all around.
Bent- You were the one who reminded me he was hurt. Hence the wait and see approach on the competition. Still wish Clemens won.
No Favre:
I am not a New Yorker, but I do agree about New York fans. They are ruthless. However, I still stick to my guns when I say that neither Chad nor Mangini would carry us to a Superbowl. Hopefully, what the front office is looking for is someone that will bring something DIFFERENT to the Jets, because what we’ve been doing for the last, I don’t even know how many years, is not working. And as far as Favre ruining 2 years of this franchise goes…QB’s come and go all the time. Two seasons shouldn’t be blamed on one QB. Also, if we can’t win next year because of how our QB played last year and because we got a new coach, than our team lacks character and we would never be successful in the first place. Brett Favre shouldn’t effect the performance of anyone but himself on the field…so to me, that’s no excuse for if we have a losing season next year. We have plenty of talent, and with a good coach, we should make the playoffs, regardless of what Favre did this season.
JAGG:
Favre gave out down the stretch. Simple as that. He wasn’t conditioned and he’s getting old, bottom line. I guess starting 269 some odd games can eventually take a toll on a person.