News: Mangini Claims He Was Intricately “Involved” In Favre Decision
If you were expecting Mangini to air much dirty laundry yesterday, would it shock you to learn that he didn’t? Yeah I didn’t think so …
Eric Mangini was asked about Brett Favre and basically whether he was railroaded into the decision. Brian Costello from the NY Post pulls some quotes together for us on the subject.
Saying he was “intricately involved” with the decision to bring Brett Favre to the Jets, Eric Mangini said today that he “really enjoyed my time” with the quarterback who did his best to fit in on the team.
Speaking at a news conference that introduced Mangini as head coach of the Cleveland Browns, he said of Favre: “I think that [Brett] came into a really challenging situation and I respected how important it was for him to be one of the guys and to fit into the team.
“I really like the time that I spent with him.”
Most of us already have drawn our conclusions on the matter, so I’ll leave it up to you to determine how to read this.
38 Responses to News: Mangini Claims He Was Intricately “Involved” In Favre Decision
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subwayfare says:
You’re right. Most people drew their own conclusions in advance of the facts and won’t let a little thing like direct evidence to the contrary interfere with those conclusions.
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JustAGreenGuy says:
You guys can believe what you want. I personally could care less. Just means I think he is an idiot. Like anyone else who thought Brett had gas in the tank. I beg you people to consider that maybe he didn’t want to deal with the NY media any more. If he came out and said I didn’t want Favre we would have never seen the end of it. He wants to move on. People lie and lying to a blood thirsty media isn’t an issue to me. F em. His friend Tony Atlas still said the opposite and my friends know more about me than random people that question me.
Krista- We can stop talking about Favre and Mangini if people stop defending/ attacking them. I would take Mangini over Favre in a heart beat. They are at opposite ends of their careers. To me that is good business. I know you hate his gum chewing, but at least he beat the Pats twice.
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Jonathan says:
this may seem silly, but if eric was opposed to favre trade, he wouldn’t have named his baby after him.
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Jon- The baby was born on the same day as Favre, it is his middle name, Favre had just thrown 6tds, Favres stats were 12 tds to 4 ints at the time, and he gives all his kids the middle name of someone who impacted his career, including the man who locked him out of the Pats facility and wont shake his hand (That baby was born after he took the Jets job). Optimism
All preseason Mangini said over and over again how he didn’t want to trust a QB prone to turnovers.
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Krista says:
Jonathan:
I said the same thing a couple weeks ago. Funny, but so true. I’m not going to go naming my kid after someone just because he was born the same day as him/her. Come on! We all know Mangini wanted Favre…no one had to twist his arm.
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i think mangini was starstruck at first (not a good thing for a coach) and later sobered up to see favre’s warts.
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Krista- obviously we don’t all know. If we all knew no one would dispute it. I wouldn’t have wanted Favre and thought anyone that would was retarded. Than we got him and my theory was confirmed.
Jon- Agree with you one being starstruck. The man is a living legend. Mangini was 19 when Favre was a rookie.
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Mangini, after the debacle at the position last year, likely had little confidence in the QBs on the roster due to either inexperience or injury, and that probably influenced his decision to go along with the trade, for better or worse. This is what a dispassionately objective examination of the facts would suggest. The responsibility for it not working out can be attributed to all involved.
“It’s never one person, it’s never one play; it’s everybody collectively doing a better job than we did during that stretch.” – Eric Mangini.
He’s absolutely right. And when he’s able to hone, improve and perfect his means of conveying that philosophy, get an entire team to embody it, he’ll probably be just as successful as the man he learned it from.
But one need go no farther than this blog to understand just how challenging a feat that is. People want a specific target for their disappointment, an individual to vilify. I wish him luck.
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i’m not saying that to be unfair. as i’ve said many times before, i like mangini as a man, was willing to be patient with him as a coach, and thought he got a worse rap than he deserved. i’m torn on his ouster, and only wish we had pulled the trigger if we were guaranteed an upgrade, which is not the case, sadly.
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This year is the first time I have wavered in my support of the franchise. I stuck through the bad years and got tormented for the Kotitte years and even punched a man in cincinnati in the face over Chad Pennington. I just don’t get it right now and the PSLs are pissing me off. I don’t even have tickets, but screw them. They are trying to make splashes and not thinking about the waves that will eventually create.
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JAGG:
Wow! You are such a Favre hater! You really should have picketed against signing him since you felt so strongly about it. I bet you were sweating bullets when were were 8-3…
And yes, Mangini beat the Pats twice, but not exactly something to brag about.
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Kyle says:
This team is a jumbled mess.
The Jets will go 2-14 next year, who is taking the bets?
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Kyle, so you think we’ll be almost as bad as the Lions next year?
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are-tee says:
Come on, everyone knows Mangini named his kid after Ratliff, not Favre.
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I had faith that the organization wouldn’t be stupid. Favre is overrated and lost the NFC championship for his team. He didn’t lose a game where the temperature was below freezing until 3- 5 years ago. When he couldn’t win in the cold anymore and the majority of his comeback drives ended in INTsor illegal forward pass calls instead of hugging and butt slapping I knew Brett was done. When you aren’t great at the things that made you great what are you?
The Pats are 39 and 9 over the course of Mangini’s time here. Since we acount for over 20% of those losses I think its a big deal.
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Harlan Lachman says:
Well, why shouldn’t Eric have wanted to replace Penny?
Penny showed in Miami what he showed here. He can win a lot games for his team. With a dominant defense that does not need much if any points, he will not lose any games for you. But, in a division with a healthy Pats team (which was the case at the time of the trade and Brady had never been hurt), that did nor does it seem like enough to bring home a SB.
Who else was available at QB last year? Favre was a gamble. It did not work. We paid too much. But the few stupid in game decisions or the Favre trades were not why I am not displeased to see Eric gone.
I questioned Eric’s ability to manage/choose coordinators, develop game plans that work, pick the right personnel to play (Ty Law, Hank Poteat?) and train them to excel (Gholston).
We have the opportunity to improve in those areas. Next year, we will see if this was a good or stupid move.
harlan
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Harlan- Agreed
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SackDance99 says:
I thought Mangini was the real deal in 2006. Even his errors (like the onsides kick against Indy) were based on innovative and aggressive game plans. Something changed this year. Was it just having Favre? I don’t know, but there were just too many head-scratching decisions. And, this season I thought those decisions cost the Jets games. He’s lucky that Favre threw 22 INTs. If Favre had thrown, say, 14 INTs (and he threw 10 INTs in wins), Mangini’s errors would’ve stuck out even more.
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Bilal says:
are-tee
great ratliff comment!Kyle I’ll take that bet right now – jets over 2?
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DSmizzle says:
JAGG:
How can you say you knew Favre was done when — at the very end of a near-MVP season — he threw an interception in OVERTIME against the eventual SB Champs (a game he essentially got his team to, a team that was 5-11 this year without him)?
And whether you think Faneca, Pace and Jenkins were the only difference or not, Favre joined the JETS and they went from 4-12 to 9-7, with a massive collapse at the end.
Hate on him all you want, but he almost took a 5-11 team to the Super Bowl and throwing a pick in OT in the NFC Championship game against a team that next beat the “best team ever” in the SB in the snow doesn’t mean in my book you’re done.
*Don’t forget, almost beating the Giants last year is especially difficult for a QB because of how amazing their pass rush was and is still without those key guys named Strahan and Osi… just ask Brady! -
Dsmizzle- You are a fool and have never watched the Packers. If you knew a thing about them you would know he didn’t carry anything. Their defense was outstanding and the Giants missed 3 game winning field goals in that game and Favre did nothing.
I follow every team in this league. Get your facts straight.
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That 5-11 teams QB made ours look like a 3rd stringer and they still lost. The difference was defense. There was a reason the franchise kept Rogers.
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I knew Favre was done in 05 to get the record straight.
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To continue… That is what bothers me the majority just believed that when the Packers did good it was because of Favre and when they did bad it wasn’t because of Favre. Screw that. He has never won in Dallas which has been pretty important to the NFC during his career and he was getting worse until Greg Jennings showed up and won those ill advised jump balls he would throw.
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Favre had a good year last year but the Packers was a pretty good team overall last year. Their defense was top 10 in both rushing and passing defense. Ryan Grant was also great during the second half of the season for them.
Every year teams records go up and down. Do you really think the Packers would have been better off this year with Favre instead of Rodgers? Rodgers and Jennings were probably the only positives on the packers all year!
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JAGG:
SERIOUSLY…GET OVER FAVRE! I, and I’m sure everyone else in this blog, is tired of hearing you BASH him! Give him credit where credit is due and DROP IT! Get a life, besides googling Brett Favre facts, statistics and pointing out the negatives, not to mention belittling everyone in this blog, along with the Jets!!! And if you hate Favre so bad…STOP TALKING ABOUT HIM!!!! MOVE ON!!!!
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Oh I’m sorry I defended myself when some one was completly wrong. I haven’t googled anything just watched alot of football and NFL.com. If you don’t like me don’t read me. If Bent or Basset wants to kick me off that is fine too. I wouldn’t insult my quality of life either.
I’m glad Bilal put it in a better way, but I was right.
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Oh and your momma wears army boots!
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Plus Dsmizzle has been published in the New York times. I’m sure he can more than handle a comment from a random person about a team he obviously doesn’t follow.
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Harvlis says:
If Mangini had a clue, he would have realized that it was the Offensive Line and the play-calling that made Chad and Kellen look like crap in 2007. With the addition of Faneca and Woody, he should have known that Chad would have been fine this year. There was no need to pick up a thirty-nine year old QB with no Jet future.
In addition, if Mangini would have realized that Schottenheimer couldn’t call his way out of a Pop Warner game, he might still have be our coach.
As far as him telling the truth about anything — it is not happening. Mangini has always kept everything internal. It is probably his best trait. I hate it, when a coach talks bad about his players to the media. Either straighten the player out or ship him off. Nothing good can come from talking to the press.
If Mangin wanted Favre over Pennington — that is another reason he needed to be fired.
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I wonder what Dabol’s offense will look like? It will be interesting to see if it was him or the coordinators. If he leads the Browns to the super bowl we will never hear the end of it.
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Whatever JAGG! It’s kind of hard to NOT read what you’re writing when it takes up the majority of the blog. I just wish that you would consider the positive things that Favre has done in his career, instead of just the negative. He has done way more good than bad, is a Hall of Fame QB, and you can say what you want, “Green Bay lost games because of him…blah, blah, blah”, but Green Bay also won a lot games because of him.
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Did I once question his all of fame credentials? I would carry the man to the hall of fame if I had to. His consecutive start streak is the most impressive record in ANY sport. That being said I felt he was winding down a few years ago, which isn’t his fault. He certainly did not carry the Packers last year and packers managment made the right decision. Brett Favre the Jet was a waste of 12 million, and was used to pay PSLs. Plus I think barring a horrible injury Peyton Manning may break all his records. Except the INT one.
On another note is there anything we can do against the PSLs? Corporations cannot fill the lower tier. Not enough would want to. Any way to send a message? This team is nothing without us.
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JAGG-
no reason to boycott the team, we wont even get them on local TV. I dont have seasn tickets so it doesnt really bother me- its a business. Did they start selling the PSL’s yet? Isn’t it just for the new stadium? Theres way too many people the waitlist for it not to sell.
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I know. It is just the only business where you can produce a lousy to mediocre product and charge more and more for it.
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JAGG:
Yes, I suppose he has been winding down the last few years, but I don’t think that his 2007 season with the Packers was shabby by any means. Peyton may very well break all of his records, but I seriously doubt it (even though that has crossed my mind before). For some reason I just don’t think he’s as tough. But, you’re right about one thing, Favre will probably hold the INT record from here to eternity.
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hank/naples says:
Sackdance99:
…… ” If Favre had thrown, say, 14 INTs (and he threw 10 INTs in wins), Mangini’s errors would’ve stuck out even more “.
Really? We would’ve lost at least two less games, made the playoffs and Mangini would not have been fired.
OF COURSE HE WAS INVOLVED…and for those that thought that he wasn’t involved, and thought that Mangini had no say in all things Favre, were wrong. Now I really wish that we could move on to something else because all this Favre/Chad/Mangini talk is wearing me out (unfortunately there is nothing else to talk about). I can’t wait for next season so everyone can bash the the next coaching staff and QB (kidding).